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Tom in COS movie...
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Death Eater Dan
2003-06-27 01:33:59 UTC
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Was it just me, or was Tom Riddle's crest in the COS movie not that of
Slyterhin? I know it could've changed in the 50 years since he sealed
his image in the diary, but it doesn't look like it has a snake on it.
Nor is it green.
Does anyone know for sure?
-==Kensu==-
It is actually a Hogwarts emblem, not a Slytherin emblem or Gryffindore
emblem. You can see it clearly on the DVD when Tom turns to summon the
Basilisk out of the head of the Statue. There is a large H in the middle
surrounded by: in the top left the Gryffindor lion, bottom right is
Slytherin serpent, top right is Ravenclaw and bottom left is huffle puff
badger. Tom does have a Slytherin prefect badge up above this emblem that is
green but it is extremely hard to make out.
Fish Eye no Miko
2003-06-27 01:49:16 UTC
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Was it just me, or was Tom Riddle's crest in the COS movie
not that of Slyterhin? I know it could've changed in the 50
years since he sealed his image in the diary, but it doesn't
look like it has a snake on it.
Nor is it green.
Does anyone know for sure?
He's wearing the Hogwarts crest. His tie and sweater-vest are green and
silver/grey (i.e., the Slytherin colors).

Catherine Johnson.
--
"Did anyone else noticed that Hildi was wearing a cross? I thought Satan's
minions couldn't touch those."
-metallikay2, on the _Trading Spaces_ forum on
televisionwitoutpity.com
mag3
2003-06-27 02:07:57 UTC
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Was it just me, or was Tom Riddle's crest in the COS movie not that of
Slyterhin? I know it could've changed in the 50 years since he sealed
his image in the diary, but it doesn't look like it has a snake on it.
Nor is it green.
Does anyone know for sure?
-==Kensu==-
It's not you. His crest was, apparently, the "generic" Hogwarts Crest as also
worn by Moaning Mertile, Mdm. Hooch, and others. I wonder about that - Is it
cannon that you only wear your house's crest while you're actually *in* the
house, and the generic crest at all other times?



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Richard Eney
2003-06-27 04:40:08 UTC
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Post by mag3
It's not you. His crest was, apparently, the "generic" Hogwarts Crest as
also worn by Moaning Mertile, Mdm. Hooch, and others. I wonder about
that - Is it cannon that you only wear your house's crest while you're
actually *in* the house, and the generic crest at all other times?
But then that would not explain Tom Riddle's wearing it even though he wears
Slytherin's colors. The explanation I thought of is that there was a time
when Hogwarts only had the students colors show in say, the tie and maybe
the sweater and not the rest of the uniform, and at some point it changed to
where students also wore badges as well, perhaps in an effort to make their
House affilliation more obvious at a distance.
In the books (canon), there is nothing about any House markings on the
clothing. There are no uniforms other than the plain black robes, black
hat, and black cloak with silver fastenings (not plain black frogs as in
the movies). They wear their own clothes under the robes, if they choose
to. When Harry and Co. change in CoS, all they need to do is get bigger
robes, not Slytherin robes, to pass as Slytherins. They don't have to
change neckties or anything. All the markings are from the movie.
I read somewhere about how it must have been odd to have to buy a robe with
the Hogwarts crest on it, THEN have to go through and get the additional
uniform stuff for your House as well, especially if you didn't have a lot of
money and no guess where you would be sorted. My only answer that I could
think of is that students are expected to buy a basic robe that has the
Hogwarts crest on it, then when they are sorted, that the items with their
house colors are given to them. Afterall, Hogwarts had to have some form of
budget for these sorts of things (or House elves to make them).
In the movie, when they arrive in their new dormitory, their House scarves
are waiting on the chairs. Presumably the rest of the House specific
uniform is there, too.
At that point, they could very possibly change their badges themselves, or
perhaps someone else helps them with it, i.e. their Prefects.
Yet another, sheerly magical possibility is that the crest on the newer
robes changes to your house. :)
I think it's done by House elves. If you look at them in Diagon Alley in
the second movie, you can see what the students wear when they are away
from the school but in wizard territory. If I recall correctly, most of
them wear the generic school uniforms they wore before they were sorted,
but Draco wears the Slytherin gear. (As does his father - his robe?
cloak? fastens with silver snakes.)

=Tamar
OrionCA
2003-06-27 04:47:35 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:07:57 -0400, mag3
Post by mag3
Was it just me, or was Tom Riddle's crest in the COS movie not that of
Slyterhin? I know it could've changed in the 50 years since he sealed
his image in the diary, but it doesn't look like it has a snake on it.
Nor is it green.
Does anyone know for sure?
-==Kensu==-
It's not you. His crest was, apparently, the "generic" Hogwarts Crest as also
worn by Moaning Mertile, Mdm. Hooch, and others. I wonder about that - Is it
cannon that you only wear your house's crest while you're actually *in* the
house, and the generic crest at all other times?
Possibly wearing House crests is a recent change to the uniform. Or,
perhaps - when did Tom Jr. become Head Boy? Before or after he turned
in Hagrid for "releasing the monster"? The Head Boy of the school
would wear a Hogwarts robe, not a house robe, I'd imagine.

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I'm on a journey in search of myself.
If I get back first, let me know that I'm
looking for myself and don't let me leave.
mag3
2003-06-27 08:51:35 UTC
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Post by OrionCA
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:07:57 -0400, mag3
Post by mag3
Was it just me, or was Tom Riddle's crest in the COS movie not that of
Slyterhin? I know it could've changed in the 50 years since he sealed
his image in the diary, but it doesn't look like it has a snake on it.
Nor is it green.
Does anyone know for sure?
-==Kensu==-
It's not you. His crest was, apparently, the "generic" Hogwarts Crest as also
worn by Moaning Mertile, Mdm. Hooch, and others. I wonder about that - Is it
cannon that you only wear your house's crest while you're actually *in* the
house, and the generic crest at all other times?
Possibly wearing House crests is a recent change to the uniform. Or,
perhaps - when did Tom Jr. become Head Boy? Before or after he turned
in Hagrid for "releasing the monster"? The Head Boy of the school
would wear a Hogwarts robe, not a house robe, I'd imagine.
Was Moaning Mertile Head Girl then? She was wearing the same crest as well. So
was Mdm. Hooch in her Quidditch "referee" robe.



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Arnold.

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Lara Goth
2003-06-27 14:42:02 UTC
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Post by mag3
It's not you. His crest was, apparently, the "generic" Hogwarts Crest as also
worn by Moaning Mertile, Mdm. Hooch, and others. I wonder about that - Is it
cannon that you only wear your house's crest while you're actually *in* the
house, and the generic crest at all other times?
Possibly wearing House crests is a recent change to the uniform. Or,
perhaps - when did Tom Jr. become Head Boy? Before or after he turned
in Hagrid for "releasing the monster"? The Head Boy of the school
would wear a Hogwarts robe, not a house robe, I'd imagine.
Was Moaning Mertile Head Girl then? She was wearing the same crest as well. So
was Mdm. Hooch in her Quidditch "referee" robe.
Hard to say. I will point out that there is a different pattern in Tom
Riddle's tie as well. The current student ties merely have an even,
alternating pattern of stripes, while Tom's seems to have what looks to be a
green tie with thin silver accent stripes.

As for the Head Boy/Girl wearing Hogwarts robes...it's not specified, but
it's not impossible either. My understanding, however, is that Riddle was a
Prefect when he turned Hagrid in.

Dany
-must. put together. Slytherin. Uniform.

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