Firenze and Umbridge

[Welsh Dog]

I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??

She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??

Welshdog

[Toon]

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??
Welshdog

Might need a plausible reason. Like her trying to prove Hagrid was a
giant moron. The Headmaster might not be able to fire all willy
nilly. The Gov Boards probably put safeties against that very thing
years ago.

[DaveD]

Post by Toon

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??
Welshdog

Might need a plausible reason. Like her trying to prove Hagrid was a
giant moron. The Headmaster might not be able to fire all willy
nilly. The Gov Boards probably put safeties against that very thing
years ago.

Yes I don't think she quite had total and unfettered control of Hogwarts.

Besides which, she may not have wanted her prejudices against half-breeds
and other magical creatures to be too obvious so she'd be a bit more
cautious and wait for a proper opportunity (ie excuse) to dismiss Firenze
rather than just sacking him on the spot.

DaveD

[Welsh Dog]

Post by Toon

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??

Might need a plausible reason. Like her trying to prove Hagrid was a
giant moron. The Headmaster might not be able to fire all willy
nilly. The Gov Boards probably put safeties against that very thing
years ago.

Except the Minister was issuing decrees willy-nilly interfering in the
Hogwarts modus operandi, based on the requests of Umbridge for more
power, with no reference at all back to the Governors (that we were
aware of at least).

And in the case of Centaurs she considered them to be only of 'near
human' intelligence and possibly therefore not suitable to teach the
'wizarding elite'... i.e. humans!

Welshdog

[richard e white]

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Toon

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??

Might need a plausible reason. Like her trying to prove Hagrid was a
giant moron. The Headmaster might not be able to fire all willy
nilly. The Gov Boards probably put safeties against that very thing
years ago.

Except the Minister was issuing decrees willy-nilly interfering in the
Hogwarts modus operandi, based on the requests of Umbridge for more
power, with no reference at all back to the Governors (that we were
aware of at least).

That is because Fuge was going around the govaners. He used the law
system to change things at hogwarts rather then talk to the govaners. And
we must remember Fudge did this to get at DD. When DD left hogwarts,
Fudge didn't even bother punishing Harry. Fudge was after DD and in
Fudge's mind he got DD. To this end Fudge would change wizarding law, but
after I don't think Fudge was interfearing anymore. Suddenly the toad was
on her own with little protection from Fudge. Fudge wouldn't get her out
of problems with the goveaners because he didn't see them as a problem.

Post by Welsh Dog
And in the case of Centaurs she considered them to be only of 'near
human' intelligence and possibly therefore not suitable to teach the
'wizarding elite'... i.e. humans!
Welshdog
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Actualy she was reading off the wizard law when she said that. The fact
that the centars got mad was more of how she said it. However, I belive
Hogwarts govaners still had some say. The real question is why the toad
as hogwarts inquisater didn't survay his class and try and get him out the
way she did to the person he replaced. I belive the reason is that the
toad attacked weakness and always looked for weak spots to attack. She
did things to get hagrid mad and off his class track, because hagrid was
easy to distract. She pestered the first divanation teacher until she was
going to pices. I think the toad knew this trick wouldn't work on frenzy.

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[Thommadura]

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??
Welshdog

I would take a guess and say that DIVINATION was a long term course at
Hogwarts - and while she might have been in a position to control the
staff = she might not have been able to eliminate a subject.

Since she did eliminate Trelawney -
that left Firenze to teach Divination.

Maybe she was out of options

[Welsh Dog]

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:53:51 -0500, Thommadura

Post by Thommadura

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??

I would take a guess and say that DIVINATION was a long term course at
Hogwarts - and while she might have been in a position to control the
staff = she might not have been able to eliminate a subject.
Since she did eliminate Trelawney -
that left Firenze to teach Divination.
Maybe she was out of options

Hmmm... tho we know that until Trelawney produced that prophecy in
front of him, Dumbledore was considering leaving the position of
Divination Professor vacant... which would have closed off the course!

Since he as headmaster was making that decision we can reasonably
assume that Umbridge (as Headmistress) would have had that option as
well... especially since she was acting on behalf of 'Fudge with his
full support?

Welshdog

[richard e white]

Post by Welsh Dog
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:53:51 -0500, Thommadura

Post by Thommadura

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??

I would take a guess and say that DIVINATION was a long term course at
Hogwarts - and while she might have been in a position to control the
staff = she might not have been able to eliminate a subject.
Since she did eliminate Trelawney -
that left Firenze to teach Divination.
Maybe she was out of options

Hmmm... tho we know that until Trelawney produced that prophecy in
front of him, Dumbledore was considering leaving the position of
Divination Professor vacant... which would have closed off the course!
Since he as headmaster was making that decision we can reasonably
assume that Umbridge (as Headmistress) would have had that option as
well... especially since she was acting on behalf of 'Fudge with his
full support?
Welshdog
--
Don't just whinge - make your opinion count!
Australian Opinion
http://australianopinion.com.au

I don't think she had Fudge's full support after DD left. Fudge and the
toad wanted everyone to belive things were getting better at hogwarts after
the toad arrived. Once she was incharge, fudge's changes would be seen as
enugf to Fudge. He wouldn't like a long term class ended after DD left.
There would be no point to it to Fudge's mind. The toad might like it, but
suddenly she had other things which needed handling. Everything started
going wrong and only she was trying to get things under control. the
teachers used one of the proclumations to call the toad to handle the
fireworks because in flitwick's words, "he wasn't sure he had the athoraty
to do anything about it."
This gives the toad moutains of work and little time, couppled with
little support from Fudge. Worse yet I don't think the toad was willing to
run to fudge because that would be admitting she couldn't handle the job
she had taken over. Not a thing polatishens are willing to admit.


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Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Lets go for talking i-pods!

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by richard e white

Post by Welsh Dog
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:53:51 -0500, Thommadura

Post by Thommadura

Post by Welsh Dog
I wonder why Umbridge didn't sack Firenze as soon as she was
Headmistress??
She clearly had a 'thing' against 'half-breeds' and 'lesser magical
creatures, and others of 'near human intelligence'... so why didn't
she sack him outright as soon as the chance arose??

I would take a guess and say that DIVINATION was a long term course at
Hogwarts - and while she might have been in a position to control the
staff = she might not have been able to eliminate a subject.
Since she did eliminate Trelawney -
that left Firenze to teach Divination.
Maybe she was out of options

Hmmm... tho we know that until Trelawney produced that prophecy in
front of him, Dumbledore was considering leaving the position of
Divination Professor vacant... which would have closed off the course!
Since he as headmaster was making that decision we can reasonably
assume that Umbridge (as Headmistress) would have had that option as
well... especially since she was acting on behalf of 'Fudge with his
full support?
Welshdog
--
Don't just whinge - make your opinion count!
Australian Opinion
http://australianopinion.com.au

I don't think she had Fudge's full support after DD left. Fudge and the
toad wanted everyone to belive things were getting better at hogwarts after
the toad arrived. Once she was incharge, fudge's changes would be seen as
enugf to Fudge. He wouldn't like a long term class ended after DD left.
There would be no point to it to Fudge's mind. The toad might like it, but
suddenly she had other things which needed handling. Everything started
going wrong and only she was trying to get things under control. the
teachers used one of the proclumations to call the toad to handle the
fireworks because in flitwick's words, "he wasn't sure he had the athoraty
to do anything about it."

Why didn't Umbridge deputize Flitwick to deal with the fireworks?