Disapparation At Hogsmeade: Deathly Hallows Spoilers

[Tim Bruening]

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.

Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.

Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

[Welsh Dog]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...

... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Welshdog

[Tim Peters]

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't
Disapparate from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.

...

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to
Disapparate, when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just
after their arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still
be in operation (especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs
that Harry might come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Not that easy :-( On page 560 (Scholastic), Aberforth explains to the
kids that they'll need to leave Hogsmeade entirely and go "up into the
mountains" before they can Disapparate.

If there were an eighth book coming, we could enjoy years of debate
about why Aberforth lied -- or was too dense to realize that he could
Disapparate out of his own bar ;-)

[Welsh Dog]

Post by Tim Peters

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Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't
Disapparate from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.

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Post by Tim Peters

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to
Disapparate, when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just
after their arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still
be in operation (especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs
that Harry might come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Not that easy :-( On page 560 (Scholastic), Aberforth explains to the
kids that they'll need to leave Hogsmeade entirely and go "up into the
mountains" before they can Disapparate.
If there were an eighth book coming, we could enjoy years of debate
about why Aberforth lied -- or was too dense to realize that he could
Disapparate out of his own bar ;-)

Nice one!! I hadn't noticed that... and from the look of it neither
had the editors!! :)

Welshdog

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

[Welsh Dog]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster of a
plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and can't see
any obvious way out of this one! :)

There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar... unless
Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't actually say you
*can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could walk to the
mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.

This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Welshdog

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster of a
plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and can't see
any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar... unless
Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't actually say you
*can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could walk to the
mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually to
be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place instead of
setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head when the trio
first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.

But I must re-read it too, details are a but blurred right now...

[Welsh Dog]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster of a
plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and can't see
any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar... unless
Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't actually say you
*can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could walk to the
mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually to
be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place instead of
setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head when the trio
first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.
But I must re-read it too, details are a but blurred right now...

From reading it the alarm was set to go of on arrival so I can't see
how one jinx would be temporary and the other permanent.

Having said that... I doubt there would be such a need to *stop*
people apparating out as in... especially since the entire village of
wizards might want to apparate off to do their days work :)

Welshdog

[Brian Wakeling]

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Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't
Disapparate from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a
passage created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to
Aberforth's bar (The Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs
and
OOTPs are Apparating directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's
alarm spells) and pouring into the Room of Requirement passage.
Soon, the leading teachers learn of the imminent Voldemort
attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend Hogwarts, and
organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then
be Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to
Disapparate, when a DE spell kept Harry et al from
Disapparating
just after their arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation
spell still be in operation (especially since Voldemort had
warned the local DEs that Harry might come to make trouble at
Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily
in
the bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated
directly into the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same
*out* of the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either
they'd have failed or the alarms would have gone off... or
both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's
Head, or bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster
of a plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and
can't see any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar...
unless Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't
actually
say you *can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could
walk to the mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually
to be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place
instead of setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head
when the trio first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.
But I must re-read it too, details are a but blurred right now...

From reading it the alarm was set to go of on arrival so I can't see
how one jinx would be temporary and the other permanent.

How about if the alarm spell triggered the automatic casting of an
anti-disapparation jinx, that dispells a couple of hours after being
triggered, or come sunrise.

And perhaps the evacuated students would be able to stay in the Hog's
Head, or the older ones could seek refuge in the Three Broomsticks -
after all, by the time they got there, Hogsmeade wasn't exactly
crawling with Dementors and Death Eaters, was it?

Maybe they could have Floo'd home? Obviously, for MoM public enemies
numbers 1, 2 and 3, using the Floo network would be out of the
question, but schoolchildren fleeing a magical battle at their school?
They wouldn't pay any attention.

[SPT]

Post by Brian Wakeling

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Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't
Disapparate from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a
passage created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to
Aberforth's bar (The Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs
and
OOTPs are Apparating directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's
alarm spells) and pouring into the Room of Requirement passage.
Soon, the leading teachers learn of the imminent Voldemort
attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend Hogwarts, and
organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then
be Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to
Disapparate, when a DE spell kept Harry et al from
Disapparating
just after their arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation
spell still be in operation (especially since Voldemort had
warned the local DEs that Harry might come to make trouble at
Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily
in
the bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated
directly into the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same
*out* of the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either
they'd have failed or the alarms would have gone off... or
both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's
Head, or bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster
of a plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and
can't see any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar...
unless Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't
actually
say you *can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could
walk to the mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually
to be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place
instead of setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head
when the trio first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.
But I must re-read it too, details are a but blurred right now...

From reading it the alarm was set to go of on arrival so I can't see
how one jinx would be temporary and the other permanent.

How about if the alarm spell triggered the automatic casting of an
anti-disapparation jinx, that dispells a couple of hours after being
triggered, or come sunrise.
And perhaps the evacuated students would be able to stay in the Hog's
Head, or the older ones could seek refuge in the Three Broomsticks -
after all, by the time they got there, Hogsmeade wasn't exactly
crawling with Dementors and Death Eaters, was it?
Maybe they could have Floo'd home? Obviously, for MoM public enemies
numbers 1, 2 and 3, using the Floo network would be out of the
question, but schoolchildren fleeing a magical battle at their school?
They wouldn't pay any attention.
--
Brian Wakelingwww.sabremeister.me.uk/index.htmlwww.livejournal.com/users/sabremeister
"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the
cheese."

Well, since we know that you *can* apparate into and disapparate from
the Hogshead, it seems that we must conclude that Aberforth simply
didn't *want* the trio to disapparate from it. He wanted them to do it
from someplace far, far away from his bar.

While Aberforth is clearly not particularly frightened of Death
Eaters, he also doesn't see any reason to risk his neck just so these
fool kids can get themselves killed.

He is also just plain crotchety. Once he has had a little time to
complain about DD and other annoying stuff that happened to him a
hundred and fifty years ago (like when the price of a pint went from a
half-sickle up to nineteen knuts or when they stopped making wooden
shoes in his size), he is perfectly willing to fight to the death and
let his bar be used as the focal point of the anti-Voldemort movement.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Brian Wakeling

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Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening
Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't
Disapparate from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a
passage created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to
Aberforth's bar (The Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs
and
OOTPs are Apparating directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's
alarm spells) and pouring into the Room of Requirement passage.
Soon, the leading teachers learn of the imminent Voldemort
attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend Hogwarts, and
organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then
be Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to
Disapparate, when a DE spell kept Harry et al from
Disapparating
just after their arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation
spell still be in operation (especially since Voldemort had
warned the local DEs that Harry might come to make trouble at
Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily
in
the bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated
directly into the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same
*out* of the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either
they'd have failed or the alarms would have gone off... or
both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's
Head, or bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster
of a plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and
can't see any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar...
unless Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't
actually
say you *can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could
walk to the mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually
to be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place
instead of setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head
when the trio first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.
But I must re-read it too, details are a but blurred right now...

From reading it the alarm was set to go of on arrival so I can't see
how one jinx would be temporary and the other permanent.

How about if the alarm spell triggered the automatic casting of an
anti-disapparation jinx, that dispells a couple of hours after being
triggered, or come sunrise.
And perhaps the evacuated students would be able to stay in the Hog's
Head, or the older ones could seek refuge in the Three Broomsticks -
after all, by the time they got there, Hogsmeade wasn't exactly
crawling with Dementors and Death Eaters, was it?
Maybe they could have Floo'd home? Obviously, for MoM public enemies
numbers 1, 2 and 3, using the Floo network would be out of the
question, but schoolchildren fleeing a magical battle at their school?
They wouldn't pay any attention.

I wonder how many Slytherin students joined Voldemort's army after
evacuating from Hogwarts.

[Welsh Dog]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:30:43 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Brian Wakeling

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Brian Wakeling
Maybe they could have Floo'd home? Obviously, for MoM public enemies
numbers 1, 2 and 3, using the Floo network would be out of the
question, but schoolchildren fleeing a magical battle at their school?
They wouldn't pay any attention.

I wonder how many Slytherin students joined Voldemort's army after
evacuating from Hogwarts.

From DH:
“If your son is dead, Lucius, it is not my fault. He did not come and
join me, like the rest of the Slytherins. Perhaps he has decided to
befriend Harry Potter?”

So... according to the book... Draco was the *only* Slytherin not to
join Voldemort once evacuated from Hogwarts!!! Of course this is
rubbish since Crabbe and Goyle also didn't turn up to fight either!!

Make your own mind up :)

Welshdog

[Toon]

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Tim Bruening
I wonder how many Slytherin students joined Voldemort's army after
evacuating from Hogwarts.

“If your son is dead, Lucius, it is not my fault. He did not come and
join me, like the rest of the Slytherins. Perhaps he has decided to
befriend Harry Potter?”
So... according to the book... Draco was the *only* Slytherin not to
join Voldemort once evacuated from Hogwarts!!! Of course this is
rubbish since Crabbe and Goyle also didn't turn up to fight either!!
Make your own mind up :)
Welshdog

They don't count. Apprently never spoke for 7 years either.

[Louis Epstein]

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:30:29 +1000, Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com>
: wrote:
:>>I wonder how many Slytherin students joined Voldemort's army after
:>>evacuating from Hogwarts.
:>
:>From DH:
:>?If your son is dead, Lucius, it is not my fault. He did not come and
:>join me, like the rest of the Slytherins. Perhaps he has decided to
:>befriend Harry Potter??
:>
:>So... according to the book... Draco was the *only* Slytherin not to
:>join Voldemort once evacuated from Hogwarts!!! Of course this is
:>rubbish since Crabbe and Goyle also didn't turn up to fight either!!
:>
:>Make your own mind up :)
:>
:>Welshdog
:
: They don't count. Apprently never spoke for 7 years either.

I think Ickle Tommykins may have been flattering himself,
I doubt that every first-year Slytherin aspired to be a DE!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster of a
plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and can't see
any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar... unless
Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't actually say you
*can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could walk to the
mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually to
be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place instead of
setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head when the trio
first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.
But I must re-read it too, details are a but blurred right now...

From reading it the alarm was set to go of on arrival so I can't see
how one jinx would be temporary and the other permanent.
Having said that... I doubt there would be such a need to *stop*
people apparating out as in... especially since the entire village of
wizards might want to apparate off to do their days work :)

That's my thinking too, I was considering that the Anti-Disapparation
Jinx probably worked both ways; they wouldn't have been able to
apparate *in* if it was on. And we've seen magic that detects lies
and such in a permanent basis (sneakoscopes, secrecy sensors and so
on.)

So my line of thought would be: alarm sounds because someone who
shouldn't be there (the trio) arrives (BTW, wasn't the alarm set up to
keep people off the streets during curfew?), then DEs cast AD Jinx.

Probably the village dwellers apparate in/out directly in/from their
houses or gardens so as not to set the alarm; an option that the trio
doesn't have since "most wizard homes have protection agains unwanted
apparators." If the AD Jinx was on all the time, they might not be
able to apparate at all, like at Hogwarts.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster of a
plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and can't see
any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar... unless
Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't actually say you
*can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could walk to the
mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.

Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually to
be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place instead of
setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head when the trio
first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.

Wouldn't Voldemort tell the Hogsmeade DEs to keep the anti-Disapparation spell on
at all costs?

[Welsh Dog]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:33:10 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

<snip>

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Dragon Rider
Maybe the Anti-Disapparation Jinx wasn't permanent and had actually to
be cast; otherwise it would be easier to leave it in place instead of
setting alarms. So maybe it did apply to the Hog's Head when the trio
first arrived, but wasn't on all the time.

Wouldn't Voldemort tell the Hogsmeade DEs to keep the anti-Disapparation spell on
at all costs?

The people who live in Hogsmeade might well need to apparate on a
regular basis and he'd need more than a few DE's to control the entire
village if they decided to rebel against edicts that were *too*
repressive before he achieved total control.

Welshdog

[Toon]

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:34:36 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Welsh Dog
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:40:49 -0700, Tim Bruening

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

It might be in operation out in the street but not necessarily in the
bar of the Hog's Head! All the reinforcements apparated directly into
the bar without setting off the alarms...
... the escaping students might well be able to do the same *out* of
the bar as well. Had they tried it in the street either they'd have
failed or the alarms would have gone off... or both!!

Why wouldn't the Anti-Disapparation Jinx apply inside the Hog's Head, or
bounce Disapparating people back into the Hog's Head?

Currently I have *no* idea... this looks like is a total disaster of a
plothole... I've read thru the passage a couple of times and can't see
any obvious way out of this one! :)
There seems to be no way to apparate in *or* out of the bar... unless
Aberforth just wanted the kids to leave. He doesn't actually say you
*can't* apparate out of the bar... just that they could walk to the
mountains to do it etc... and maybe meet Hagrid.
This is stretching credibility to breaking point.
Welshdog

Or maybe he wanted them to meet up with Hagrid, and lied so they'd go
see Hagird.

[BriD]

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
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Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

More to the point - How did approx 200 underage students manage to
disapperate without training?

BriD

[Toon]

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

More to the point - How did approx 200 underage students manage to
disapperate without training?
BriD

Side along? Neville taught them at DA meetings?

[Tim Bruening]

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

More to the point - How did approx 200 underage students manage to
disapperate without training?

Side-Along Apparation.

[BriD]

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

More to the point - How did approx 200 underage students manage to
disapperate without training?

Side-Along Apparation.- Hide quoted text -
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200 of them? All at once - like an enormous daisy chain! Seriously
even two to the adult they'd still need 100
Apparitions and they surely didn't have that number.

BriD

[Toon]

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Page 555: Harry, Ron, and Hermione discover that they can't Disapparate
from Hogsmeade, due to a Death Eater spell.
Pages 570-576: Neville guides Harry et al into Hogwarts via a passage
created by the Room of Requirement to connect it to Aberforth's bar (The
Hog's Head). Soon, a whole slew of DAs and OOTPs are Apparating
directly into the bar (to avoid the DE's alarm spells) and pouring into
the Room of Requirement passage. Soon, the leading teachers learn of
the imminent Voldemort attack, oust Severus Snape, prepare to defend
Hogwarts, and organize the evacuation of the under aged students.
Page 596: Harry suggests evacuating the students via the Room of
Requirement passage to the Hog's Head. The students would then be
Disapparated out of the Hog's Head. How are they going to Disapparate,
when a DE spell kept Harry et al from Disapparating just after their
arrival? Wouldn't the DE anti-Disapparation spell still be in operation
(especially since Voldemort had warned the local DEs that Harry might
come to make trouble at Hogwarts)?

More to the point - How did approx 200 underage students manage to
disapperate without training?

Side-Along Apparation.- Hide quoted text -
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200 of them? All at once - like an enormous daisy chain! Seriously
even two to the adult they'd still need 100
Apparitions and they surely didn't have that number.
BriD

What if they were all transfigured into flies, and they all got side
along aped that way?