How did Voldemort get his wand back?

[eggplant107]

So what happened to Voldemort's wand at that point?
He has it back in the GoF, but who retrieved
it for him from the burning house and who kept
it over the many years, waiting for his return?

I don't see the problem. Voldemort's favorite wand must have been
somewhere, he could have used any old wand to make a summoning charm
and brought it to him from wherever it happened to be. Wormtail could
have done it too.

[Keven K Pinder]

In SS/PS Voldemort goes "poof" after he tries killing Harry, he has no

body.

James and Lilly's place is almost destroyed and Hagrid manages to get

Harry

out before the place starts swarming with Muggles. So what happened to
Voldemort's wand at that point? He has it back in the GoF, but who

retrieved

it for him from the burning house and who kept it over the many years,
waiting for his return?
JMD
p.s. Also the thing that bugs me is the whole timeline of the Tuesday when
Voldemort disappeared. Wizzards seemed to be celebrating since the

morning,

how did they know that Voldemort disappeared? How did the wizards know if
was Harry who survived? How come Hagrid knew where to go to find Harry if
the place was under the charm? Oh well, maybe we'll find out in book 7. Or
in a follow-up book--"James Potter and the Muggle Girl"

This one puzzled me as well. I managed to cobble together a plausible
explanation. Although HWMNBN
could not "wield" the wand, his power having been broken, he could
manipulate the wand and bring it along, much as Peeves can move things even
tho he lacks physical form.

It sorta figures.

[leslie]

In SS/PS Voldemort goes "poof" after he tries killing Harry, he has no body.
James and Lilly's place is almost destroyed and Hagrid manages to get Harry
out before the place starts swarming with Muggles. So what happened to
Voldemort's wand at that point? He has it back in the GoF, but who retrieved
it for him from the burning house and who kept it over the many years,
waiting for his return?

That has bothered me the whole way through as well. I have always
assumed it must have been Peter Pettigrew somehow, that he stashed it
away for Voldemort. We really don't know who might have been with
Voldy that night. Maybe it'll be more important later.

JMD
p.s. Also the thing that bugs me is the whole timeline of the Tuesday when
Voldemort disappeared. Wizzards seemed to be celebrating since the morning,
how did they know that Voldemort disappeared? How did the wizards know if
was Harry who survived? How come Hagrid knew where to go to find Harry if
the place was under the charm? Oh well, maybe we'll find out in book 7. Or
in a follow-up book--"James Potter and the Muggle Girl"

Maybe once it was destroyed the Secret Keeper part disappeared as
well? Could Dumbledore have known?

[sue]

In SS/PS Voldemort goes "poof" after he tries killing Harry, he has no body.
James and Lilly's place is almost destroyed and Hagrid manages to get Harry
out before the place starts swarming with Muggles. So what happened to
Voldemort's wand at that point? He has it back in the GoF, but who retrieved
it for him from the burning house and who kept it over the many years,
waiting for his return?

I assumed that since Wormtail was the sevret keeper, and told
Voldemort where the Potters were, that he accompanied V. to Godric's
hollow. When the spell backfired and V. lost his body, peter grabbed
the wand and hid it somewhere, along with his own. When he went
looking for V. he took both of the wands with him. (don't ask me how a
rat can carry 2 magic wands and nto be noticed, I didn't say it was a
perfect plan). Although, he xould probably travel as a muggle a lot
of the time, they wouldn't realize that he should be dead.

Just one possibility. What I want to know is how all of the Death
Eaters that escaped from Azkaban got wands.

JMD
p.s. Also the thing that bugs me is the whole timeline of the Tuesday when
Voldemort disappeared. Wizzards seemed to be celebrating since the morning,
how did they know that Voldemort disappeared? How did the wizards know if
was Harry who survived? How come Hagrid knew where to go to find Harry if
the place was under the charm? Oh well, maybe we'll find out in book 7. Or
in a follow-up book--"James Potter and the Muggle Girl"Can

I have no good answer for this one. I don't think that the fidelius
charm would prevent ANYONE but the secret keeper from knowing, but
instead prevents anyone new from learning the place from anyone BUT
the secret keeper. Members of the Order knew about Grimmauld place,
but only Dumbledore himself could tell harry, who didn't already know.
Does that make sense?

Sue

[OrionCA]

Post by sue
assumed that since Wormtail was the sevret keeper, and told
Voldemort where the Potters were, that he accompanied V. to Godric's
hollow. When the spell backfired and V. lost his body, peter grabbed
the wand and hid it somewhere, along with his own.

That's the most likely explanation.

Post by sue
When he went
looking for V. he took both of the wands with him. (don't ask me how a
rat can carry 2 magic wands and nto be noticed, I didn't say it was a
perfect plan). Although, he xould probably travel as a muggle a lot
of the time, they wouldn't realize that he should be dead.

Professor McGonagall is an Animagus also, yes? In HP:PS, when Harry
and Ron got lost and were late to her class she was sitting on her
desk in cat form. She hopped off the desk and transformed back into
her human form.

Do you suppose she reappeared in front of a classroom full of 11 year
olds buck naked?

It may be something of a cheat but in JKR's wizarding world Animagi
transform to and from their animal shape along with their clothes and
small items in their pockets. I suppose if you were carrying a
briefcase it would be too large to transform with you but a small item
like a wand would be no problem at all. Most likely Wormtail had
Voldemort's wand in his pocket when he turned into a rat and there it
sat all those years. I believe he left his own wand behind when he
faked his death so he would have had to use Voldemort's whenever he
needed to cast magic.

Post by sue
Just one possibility. What I want to know is how all of the Death
Eaters that escaped from Azkaban got wands.

The Internet? http://www.thewandshop.com/wizard_wands.htm

(grin)

Their wands would have been destroyed when they were cast into
Azkaban, yes. I get the feeling, though, that Ollivander is decidedly
neutral in the war and might supply them with new wands simply out of
his respect for their power. And if not him then another wand maker.
--
I'm on a journey in search of myself.
If I get back first, let me know that I'm
looking for myself and don't let me leave.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by OrionCA

Post by sue
assumed that since Wormtail was the sevret keeper, and told
Voldemort where the Potters were, that he accompanied V. to Godric's
hollow. When the spell backfired and V. lost his body, peter grabbed
the wand and hid it somewhere, along with his own.

That's the most likely explanation.

Post by sue
When he went
looking for V. he took both of the wands with him. (don't ask me how a
rat can carry 2 magic wands and nto be noticed, I didn't say it was a
perfect plan). Although, he xould probably travel as a muggle a lot
of the time, they wouldn't realize that he should be dead.

Professor McGonagall is an Animagus also, yes? In HP:PS, when Harry
and Ron got lost and were late to her class she was sitting on her
desk in cat form. She hopped off the desk and transformed back into
her human form.
Do you suppose she reappeared in front of a classroom full of 11 year
olds buck naked?
It may be something of a cheat but in JKR's wizarding world Animagi
transform to and from their animal shape along with their clothes and
small items in their pockets. I suppose if you were carrying a
briefcase it would be too large to transform with you but a small item
like a wand would be no problem at all. Most likely Wormtail had
Voldemort's wand in his pocket when he turned into a rat and there it
sat all those years. I believe he left his own wand behind when he
faked his death so he would have had to use Voldemort's whenever he
needed to cast magic.

Post by sue
Just one possibility. What I want to know is how all of the Death
Eaters that escaped from Azkaban got wands.

The Internet? http://www.thewandshop.com/wizard_wands.htm
(grin)
Their wands would have been destroyed when they were cast into
Azkaban, yes. I get the feeling, though, that Ollivander is decidedly
neutral in the war and might supply them with new wands simply out of
his respect for their power. And if not him then another wand maker.

Wouldn't the MoM stake out all wand shops when they learned about the DE
breakout?

[JMD]

Post by OrionCA
Professor McGonagall is an Animagus also, yes? In HP:PS, when Harry
and Ron got lost and were late to her class she was sitting on her
desk in cat form. She hopped off the desk and transformed back into
her human form.
Do you suppose she reappeared in front of a classroom full of 11 year
olds buck naked?

Well, the scene where Harry and Ron are late to her class is just in the
movie. But you're right, she does transform into a cat in front of the whole
class and back to herself, fully clothed.

[Tim Bruening]

On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

[Tim Bruening]

On the very first page of Harry Potter's copy of Fantastic Beasts And
Where To Find Them, Ron writes that his copy fell apart. Why doesn't
Harry buy Ron a new copy for Christmas (and also a wand gift certificate
at Ollivander's during Chamber of Secrets)?

[Jonathan Ellis]

Post by Tim Bruening
On the very first page of Harry Potter's copy of Fantastic Beasts And
Where To Find Them, Ron writes that his copy fell apart. Why

doesn't

Post by Tim Bruening
Harry buy Ron a new copy for Christmas (and also a wand gift

certificate

Post by Tim Bruening
at Ollivander's during Chamber of Secrets)?

Look at Ron's attitude towards even being given a present of a pair of
Omnioculars at the Quidditch World Cup - he won't accept them until
Harry agrees not to bother with Christmas presents this year, then
insists on paying for them (so he can get a Christmas present later).

The Weasleys may be short of cash, but they're too proud to (a)
admit it or (b) want to be *given* things they haven't *earned*. Even
Fred and George are, at the very least, making and selling things,
that is *earning* the money that they get (even winning a bet counts
as earning, rather than as a gift) and are now going into a kind of
business (albeit not necessarily one of which their mother would
approve ;-)

Jonathan.

[Tim Bruening]

On Saturday June 28, wheat farmer Larry Balestra (of Suisun City, CA)
found more than a dozen crop circles in his wheat field near Interstate
80. One of them is over 140 feet in diameter. He is hopping mad
because he can't harvest the wheat that got flattened. I suggest that
he charge admission to tour the crop circles.

According to "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", pages 29-30,
creatures called Mooncalves often create crop circles when they perform
complicated dances (thought to be mating dances) on their hind legs.
Mooncalves are smooth and pale grey, have bulging round eyes on the tops
of their heads, and have 4 spindly legs with enormous flat feet.

However, they only come out of their burrows during the full moon, and
the Moon was new on June 29. Maybe California Moon calves have changed
their dancing habits.:)

[Tim Bruening]

Herbs, according to "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them" (page
32). Herbs are all phoenixes eat, so that what they would order in a
restaurant.

[unknown]

Post by Tim Bruening
Herbs, according to "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them" (page
32). Herbs are all phoenixes eat, so that what they would order in a
restaurant.

LOL!! Right... hehe.

Can you imagine Professor Sprout: "GET OUT OF THE GREENHOUSE,
FAWKES!!!"

~~~~~~~~~~~
LatH123

"Dear me, what's the use of being a disgrace to the name of wizard if they don't even pay you well for it?"
- Lucius Malfoy.

[Thoughtcube]

Post by Tim Bruening
Herbs, according to "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them" (page
32). Herbs are all phoenixes eat, so that what they would order in a
restaurant.

lol :-)

[Mark Evans]

Post by OrionCA
Their wands would have been destroyed when they were cast into
Azkaban, yes. I get the feeling, though, that Ollivander is decidedly
neutral in the war and might supply them with new wands simply out of

Why would he sell them wands when they have a hefty price
on their heads.

Post by OrionCA
his respect for their power. And if not him then another wand maker.

I suspect Ollivander is himself a very powerful wizard, he's
probably not someone to get on the wrong side of. Assuming he
even can be hexed by one of his own wands...

[Jonathan Buzzard]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
OrionCA <***@earthlink.net> writes:

[SNIP]

Remember how respectfully he spoke of Voldemort in HPPS and how he
creeped out Harry. I don't think he's all that concerned with how his
wands are used, just that they are used for "great things" - and if
the DE were caught he could always deny the wand was his. The books
don't mention a "maker's mark", after all and it'd be easy to leave
that off for a special order, anyway.

Though as wand ownership is regulated, one presumes that so is their
making. Further more Ollivander could tell the makers of wands just
by examining them in GoF.

JAB.

[Richard Eney]

<snip>

Post by Mark Evans
I suspect Ollivander is himself a very powerful wizard, he's
probably not someone to get on the wrong side of. Assuming he
even can be hexed by one of his own wands...

Remember how respectfully he spoke of Voldemort in HPPS and how he
creeped out Harry. I don't think he's all that concerned with how his
wands are used, just that they are used for "great things" - and if
the DE were caught he could always deny the wand was his. The books
don't mention a "maker's mark", after all and it'd be easy to leave
that off for a special order, anyway.

Ollivander can recognize who made the wands that were being tested in GoF,
just by holding them. A professional can recognize another maker's style
without anything so obvious as a maker's mark. He can also tell what the
core is without having to break it open. It's probably something like
being a wine taster; most people couldn't do it.

=Tamar

[DM]

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Maybe it's to find new masters for house elves whose families have died
out. Like there are no heirs...
--
DM
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-- "Kreacher said nothing," said the elf, with a second bow to George,
adding in a clear undertone, "and there's its twin, unnatural little beasts
they are."

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[Troels Forchhammer]

Post by DM
Maybe it's to find new masters for house elves whose families have died
out. Like there are no heirs...

My thought exactly. Unless the laws of the magical community are much
different from Muggle laws I guess that there's a limit to of distantly
related to the deceased you can be if you should inherit. I suppose that
the same would be true of 'inheriting' house elves.

I don't know if a full cousin would inherit, but Kreacher might find
himself appearing at the Office of House Elf Relocation.
--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid mail is t.forch(a)mail.dk

"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers
exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more
bizarrely inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already
happened."
Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

[Jonathan Buzzard]

Post by Troels Forchhammer

Post by DM
Maybe it's to find new masters for house elves whose families have died
out. Like there are no heirs...

My thought exactly. Unless the laws of the magical community are much
different from Muggle laws I guess that there's a limit to of distantly
related to the deceased you can be if you should inherit. I suppose that
the same would be true of 'inheriting' house elves.
I don't know if a full cousin would inherit, but Kreacher might find
himself appearing at the Office of House Elf Relocation.

I was not aware of any limit of relationship for inheritance in the
U.K.

JAB.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Jonathan Buzzard

Post by Troels Forchhammer

Post by DM
Maybe it's to find new masters for house elves whose families have died
out. Like there are no heirs...

My thought exactly. Unless the laws of the magical community are much
different from Muggle laws I guess that there's a limit to of distantly
related to the deceased you can be if you should inherit. I suppose that
the same would be true of 'inheriting' house elves.
I don't know if a full cousin would inherit, but Kreacher might find
himself appearing at the Office of House Elf Relocation.

I was not aware of any limit of relationship for inheritance in the
U.K.

OOTP said that Sirius Black was the last person Kreacher was enslaved to.
That implies that the dead of Sirius would free Kreacher.

[Sirius Kase]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Jonathan Buzzard

Post by Troels Forchhammer

Post by DM
Maybe it's to find new masters for house elves whose families have died
out. Like there are no heirs...

My thought exactly. Unless the laws of the magical community are much
different from Muggle laws I guess that there's a limit to of distantly
related to the deceased you can be if you should inherit. I suppose that
the same would be true of 'inheriting' house elves.
I don't know if a full cousin would inherit, but Kreacher might find
himself appearing at the Office of House Elf Relocation.

I was not aware of any limit of relationship for inheritance in the
U.K.

OOTP said that Sirius Black was the last person Kreacher was enslaved to.
That implies that the dead of Sirius would free Kreacher.

I don't know, that's not the same as receiving clothes. I wouldn't be
surprised if he becomes a ward of the Office of House Elf Relocation,
afterall, it has been mentioned. If it is mentioned in the main canon,
it almost always appears in a vital role later in the story. FBAWTFT
isn't part of the main canon, so a mention there doesn't imply that it
will be used in the main story, but it wouldn't surprise me. This IS an
entirely different situation than the CLOTHES situation where the elf
appears to be on his or her own whether they like it or not.

[Troels Forchhammer]

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
I was not aware of any limit of relationship for inheritance in the
U.K.

I should have specified that it was without a will.
I'd be very surprised if seventh cousins were entitled to inherit if
the deceased did not leave a will. Generally the 'next of kin' goes
only so far before the assets become property of the state.

I've just checked the Danish rules. Under these the spouse and children
of the deceased are first to inherit everything. If there are none of
those the parents inherit - or their living descendants (i.e. the
siblings, nephews, nieces, etc. of the deceased).
If there is still no heirs found the grandparents or their children
may inherit (i.e. uncles and aunts, but not first cousins). If there
are none of those alive the state gets it all.

The rules in the UK may be less restrictive, but I'd be very surprised
if next of kin could claim the inheritance no matter how distantly they
were related (there is, BTW, a Wimsey novel that centres around such a
change; "Unnatural Death" - that is where I got the impression that the
UK system isn't that much different from the Danish - even if they go
back one or two generations further).

[Tim Bruening]

On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

[richard e white]

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.




--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Since Kreacher's last master has died, will the Office be relocating him?

[richard e white]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Since Kreacher's last master has died, will the Office be relocating him?

Not sure. They might. But from the way I read ron's dad's comet I think it
happens when that group of wizards and witches go in to clean up the house to be
sold to muggles. But I don't remember when he told it to harry.
But if I guess right then that group would go in and take all the magic out of a
place and if there was a house elf find them a new home.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Randy Howser]

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Since Kreacher's last master has died, will the Office be relocating him?

Not sure. They might. But from the way I read ron's dad's comet I think it
happens when that group of wizards and witches go in to clean up the house to be
sold to muggles. But I don't remember when he told it to harry.
But if I guess right then that group would go in and take all the magic out of a
place and if there was a house elf find them a new home.

Well they sure didn't when the Blacks died and Sirius was in prison,
for life. Kreacher will happily converse with Painting Mrs. Black.

[richard e white]

Post by Randy Howser

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Since Kreacher's last master has died, will the Office be relocating him?

Not sure. They might. But from the way I read ron's dad's comet I think it
happens when that group of wizards and witches go in to clean up the house to be
sold to muggles. But I don't remember when he told it to harry.
But if I guess right then that group would go in and take all the magic out of a
place and if there was a house elf find them a new home.

Well they sure didn't when the Blacks died and Sirius was in prison,
for life. Kreacher will happily converse with Painting Mrs. Black.

Yes but the refrence says that when a house is cleanded up to be sold. The blacks
house was never up to be sold. Why was it not sold is what I am woundering about.
did the spells on it even stop the minstery from knowing about it? or do they not
take property from people like black. who knows. I wish more questions would be
asked by someone in the book.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Toon]

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Plus, who'd want an Elf that got clothed? They had to screw up. Who
wants that in their house?

[richard e white]

Post by Toon

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Plus, who'd want an Elf that got clothed? They had to screw up. Who
wants that in their house?

From dobby's talk with harry in book 4 it sounded like more would have taken him
if he did not want to be payed.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Randy Howser]

Post by richard e white

Post by Toon

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
On page vi of "Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them", it says that
the author Newt Scamander spent two years in the Office Of House-Elf
Relocation in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical
Creatures before being transferred to the Beast Division. What does it
mean to relocate a house elf?

You find it a new place to live with a magical famly.

Post by Tim Bruening
If it means finding new masters for house elves that have been "given
clothes", why didn't that Office help Winky find a new master?

Because at that time the house was still there. The normal need for
relocating is when the last of the famly dies and the house is sold to non
wizarding people.
The other house elfs like winky or dobby most likely have to go and ask for
help. Bad system as most would be to ashamed at getting clothes to ask for
help.

Plus, who'd want an Elf that got clothed? They had to screw up. Who
wants that in their house?

From dobby's talk with harry in book 4 it sounded like more would have taken him
if he did not want to be payed.

He was a tricked release. Not an intentional firing. I'm sure Hrary
tricking Master was left out. But if Winky mentions she was freed, as
I'm sure she must, I doubt there'll be an interest.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Jonathan Buzzard

Post by Troels Forchhammer

Post by DM
Maybe it's to find new masters for house elves whose families have died
out. Like there are no heirs...

My thought exactly. Unless the laws of the magical community are much
different from Muggle laws I guess that there's a limit to of distantly
related to the deceased you can be if you should inherit. I suppose that
the same would be true of 'inheriting' house elves.
I don't know if a full cousin would inherit, but Kreacher might find
himself appearing at the Office of House Elf Relocation.

I was not aware of any limit of relationship for inheritance in the
U.K.

OOTP said that Sirius Black was the last person Kreacher was enslaved
to.
That implies that the dead of Sirius would free Kreacher.

[Tim Bruening]

When China took over Tibet several decades ago, did the Ministries of
Magic for those two nations merge? How well do Chinese wizards get
along with the Communist government of China? Does the Chinese leader
know about the existance of wizards?

Did East and West Germany have seperate MoMs until German reunification
in 1990?

Did the Russian MoM split up when the USSR fell apart?

I pity the MoMs of Iraq, Liberia, and the Congo.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening
When China took over Tibet several decades ago, did the Ministries of
Magic for those two nations merge? How well do Chinese wizards get
along with the Communist government of China? Does the Chinese leader
know about the existance of wizards?
Did East and West Germany have seperate MoMs until German reunification
in 1990?
Did the Russian MoM split up when the USSR fell apart?
I pity the MoMs of Iraq, Liberia, and the Congo.

And the Sudan! Are Sudanese wizards making any effort to end the genocide
in Darfur (sp?)?

[Tim Bruening]

When China took over Tibet several decades ago, did the Ministries of
Magic for those two nations merge? How well do Chinese wizards get
along with the Communist government of China? Does the Chinese leader
know about the existence of wizards?

Did East and West Germany have separate MoMs until German reunification
in 1990?

Did the Russian MoM split up when the USSR fell apart?

I pity the MoMs of Afghanistan, Iraq, Liberia, Niger, the Sudan, and the
Congo.

Do the states of the US have their own MoMs? If so, I pity the
Louisiana MoM!

[diddy]

Very nonlinear and funny thinking. Thanks for the chuckle this morning!

[DPO]

<snip>

Post by Tim Bruening
Do the states of the US have their own MoMs? If so, I pity the
Louisiana MoM!

In the US there'd probably be Departments of Magic on the national and state
levels, run by a Secretary of Magic. :)

[Tim Bruening]

Post by sycophant
<snip>

Post by Tim Bruening
Do the states of the US have their own MoMs? If so, I pity the
Louisiana MoM!

In the US there'd probably be Departments of Magic on the national and state
levels, run by a Secretary of Magic. :)

How did the Russian MoM fare during the 1917 Russian Revolutions?

[yak]

Post by sue

p.s. Also the thing that bugs me is the whole timeline of the Tuesday when
Voldemort disappeared. Wizzards seemed to be celebrating since the morning,
how did they know that Voldemort disappeared? How did the wizards know if
was Harry who survived? How come Hagrid knew where to go to find Harry if
the place was under the charm? Oh well, maybe we'll find out in book 7. Or
in a follow-up book--"James Potter and the Muggle Girl"Can

I have no good answer for this one. I don't think that the fidelius
charm would prevent ANYONE but the secret keeper from knowing, but
instead prevents anyone new from learning the place from anyone BUT
the secret keeper. Members of the Order knew about Grimmauld place,
but only Dumbledore himself could tell harry, who didn't already know.
Does that make sense?
Sue

it says in the description of the fidelius charm that even if someone
knew what house to look in he couldn't see the people through the
windows... so even if the other members of the order told someone what
12 grimmauld place was, they still wouldn't be able to find it

[Troels Forchhammer]

JMD wrote:
This has been discussed quite a lot, actually.

I recommend starting with the treatment in the FAQs - e.g.
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/potterverse_faq.html#voldemorts_wand>

Please post about any disagreement or additional questions - the FAQs
are meant as a starting point for discussions, not to end them.

[sycophant]

"JMD" <[e-mail]> wrote in message news:UIENa.111192$***@sccrnsc04...

<snip>

p.s. Also the thing that bugs me is the whole timeline of the Tuesday when
Voldemort disappeared. Wizzards seemed to be celebrating since the

morning,

how did they know that Voldemort disappeared? How did the wizards know if
was Harry who survived? How come Hagrid knew where to go to find Harry if
the place was under the charm? Oh well, maybe we'll find out in book 7. Or
in a follow-up book--"James Potter and the Muggle Girl"

The members of the Order know how to get to Grimmauld place, but they're not
all the secret keepers... Not that that's the answer, though, because even
Lupin and Dumbledore didn't know that the Potters had switched Secret
Keepers, so I guess Hagrid wouldn't have found out from Pettigrew... Maybe
once they were dead it didn't matter anymore? I think someone already said
that, though...
~k

[calico]

How about Sirius'? What happaned to his wand when he was being sent to
Azkaban? Did I miss something?

In SS/PS Voldemort goes "poof" after he tries killing Harry, he has no body.
James and Lilly's place is almost destroyed and Hagrid manages to get Harry
out before the place starts swarming with Muggles. So what happened to
Voldemort's wand at that point? He has it back in the GoF, but who retrieved
it for him from the burning house and who kept it over the many years,
waiting for his return?
JMD
p.s. Also the thing that bugs me is the whole timeline of the Tuesday when
Voldemort disappeared. Wizzards seemed to be celebrating since the morning,
how did they know that Voldemort disappeared? How did the wizards know if
was Harry who survived? How come Hagrid knew where to go to find Harry if
the place was under the charm? Oh well, maybe we'll find out in book 7. Or
in a follow-up book--"James Potter and the Muggle Girl"

[t***@localhost.localdomain]

Post by calico
How about Sirius'? What happaned to his wand when he was being sent to
Azkaban? Did I miss something?

Probably destroyed. Remember, that he had to use Ron's wand in
_Prisoner of Azkaban_.

One assumes that Dumbledore and rest of the Order of the Phoenix
got him another offstage.

[Timothy Bruening]

In SS/PS Voldemort goes "poof" after he tries killing Harry, he has no body.
James and Lilly's place is almost destroyed and Hagrid manages to get Harry
out before the place starts swarming with Muggles. So what happened to
Voldemort's wand at that point? He has it back in the GoF, but who retrieved
it for him from the burning house and who kept it over the many years,
waiting for his return?

Well, who's to say he was ALONE when he went to take out Harry? It's
certainly plausible that Peter would be with him (since Peter was
their secret keeper and would be needed to get access to the house.)

So why didn't Peter swoop in and kill Harry when Voldemort got blasted?