Hedwig OOTP Spoiler Q

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

[steve]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Owls r strongly magical I think..........

[Moxie]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione.

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deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Owls r strongly magical I think..........

I hereby propose that Voldemort address a Mandrake Howler to "The Order of

the

Phoenix", attack it to an owl, and tell the owl to deliver it ASAP. Bye

bye

Order of the Phoenix!.
Another idea for Voldemort: Intercept owls and read their minds to find

out

where they have been. If Voldy captures Hedwig, bye-bye Order of the

Phoenix!
Awfully short book 6 though ;)

Moxie

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I hereby propose that Voldemort address a Mandrake Howler to "The Order
of the Phoenix", attack it to an owl, and tell the owl to deliver it
ASAP. Bye bye Order of the Phoenix!.
Another idea for Voldemort: Intercept owls and read their minds to
find out where they have been. If Voldy captures Hedwig, bye-bye
Order of the Phoenix!

Awfully short book 6 though ;)

Plenty of room to explore Hedwig's frustration about being stuck in a cage
most of the month of July, then sent out with messages every other day,
then having to contact people on other continents. Then there's her
courtship with an unnamed eagle owl, a long description of the fight when
the DEs capture her, and the confrontation with Voldy. Afterward she can
be filled with angst at her apparent betrayal, only to find out that the
OOTP knew she would be captured and gave her a decoy message, and the
exploding howler was sent to the Malfoy mansion. At the end she
contemplates defecting to the MoM, but the boredom drives her wild and
she escapes to the New Forest with a seedy and unreliable screech owl.

=Tamar

[Moxie]

Post by Richard Eney
Plenty of room to explore Hedwig's frustration about being stuck in a cage

Harry Potter and the Infatuated Fowl

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

[richard e white]

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Please don't use the same thing every time. It tends to lock up my screen
reader.
how about a cout down or something?

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

Well either the owls are diffrent or DD told the owl where it was. then
again maybe headwig showed up and waited around out side the house until
some one saw it and went out for her. Mad eye would not have left such an
owl sit there for so long with out saying something about it.

Post by Tim Bruening
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

It could be but we would have to know more to know for sure.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Did you really think they where sent? It would suit the toads and fudge's
plans if they where never sent. So the owls may have been sent to the burro
or not at all. for my part I rather think the toad made sure they where not
sent at all.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Owls r strongly magical I think..........

I hereby propose that Voldemort address a Mandrake Howler to "The Order
of the
Phoenix", attack it to an owl, and tell the owl to deliver it ASAP. Bye
bye
Order of the Phoenix!.

Another idea for Voldemort: Intercept owls and read their minds to find
out
where they have been. If Voldy captures Hedwig, bye-bye Order of the
Phoenix!

[richard e white]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Owls r strongly magical I think..........

I hereby propose that Voldemort address a Mandrake Howler to "The Order
of the
Phoenix", attack it to an owl, and tell the owl to deliver it ASAP. Bye
bye
Order of the Phoenix!.
Another idea for Voldemort: Intercept owls and read their minds to find
out
where they have been. If Voldy captures Hedwig, bye-bye Order of the
Phoenix!

There might be magic that stops that sort of thing from happaning. we don't
know yet. but it might be why most of the owls are got in shops as they are pre
spelled.
And yes I know that pig most likely did not come from a shop but maybe that is
why he is so odd when compared to most of the other owls.


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Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

[Richard Eney]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione.
To deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable
and protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Owls seem to have their own magic, just as house elves have their own.
It works differently. So far, some owls have been intercepted on the
grounds of Hogwarts, when Umbridge was reading the students' mail, but
noone has yet managed to follow an owl the whole way.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

I have no idea. Maybe Arthur as a ministry official had an unplottability code?

=Tamar

[Magic_mom]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione.
To deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable
and protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Owls seem to have their own magic, just as house elves have their own.
It works differently. So far, some owls have been intercepted on the
grounds of Hogwarts, when Umbridge was reading the students' mail, but
noone has yet managed to follow an owl the whole way.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

I have no idea. Maybe Arthur as a ministry official had an unplottability code?
=Tamar

The owls were supposedly sent to the Burrow, I believe.. but, who is to
say they were actually even sent at all? Fudge was just itching for a
way to nail Harry for something at that point. It would not be beyond
reasoning for him to have lied about sending owls to notify them of the
time and location change of the hearing!

M_m

[George]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione.
To deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both
Unplottable and protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it
unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a
gaping loophole in magical protection spells!

Owls seem to have their own magic, just as house elves have their
own. It works differently. So far, some owls have been intercepted
on the grounds of Hogwarts, when Umbridge was reading the students'
mail, but noone has yet managed to follow an owl the whole way.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August
11 or 12?

I have no idea. Maybe Arthur as a ministry official had an
unplottability code?
=Tamar

The owls were supposedly sent to the Burrow, I believe.. but, who is
to say they were actually even sent at all? Fudge was just itching for
a way to nail Harry for something at that point. It would not be
beyond reasoning for him to have lied about sending owls to notify
them of the time and location change of the hearing!
M_m

Good point! Or if he did send them (or order them sent) he made sure the
owls were like poor Errol: getting up in years, slightly feeble, easily
confused, etc. That way he stays honest, but not necessarily ethical.

Geo

[Lucy]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

No doubt you know my thoughts on this point so I will try not to mention DD
is Hedwig, and say that Owls must be exempt from such charms and the house
must also have some other anti bad post charms that we an only guess about
to prevent the other side sending all sorts of nasty post such as Hermione
receives at Hogwarts.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

I got the impression they were never really sent.

--
Lucy...

[Toon]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

No doubt you know my thoughts on this point so I will try not to mention DD
is Hedwig, and say that Owls must be exempt from such charms and the house
must also have some other anti bad post charms that we an only guess about
to prevent the other side sending all sorts of nasty post such as Hermione
receives at Hogwarts.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

I got the impression they were never really sent.

and who would anyone believe? Arthur? Dumbledor? Or Fudge?

[Aaron]

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No doubt you know my thoughts on this point so I will try not to mention DD
is Hedwig,

You just said it! Ooh! I said it again! Aah! Stop saying it! Argh!

-Aaron

[Aaron]

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No doubt you know my thoughts on this point so I will try not to mention DD
is Hedwig,

You just said it! Ooh! I said it again! Aah! Stop saying it! Argh!

-Aaron

[richard e white]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

For all we know DD told headwig about number 12.
As to the mom's owls on the 11 I don't think they where sent by the way
Fudge was talking. I rather think he changed the time and either did not
send any or did it so that the owls would not have much time to get the
letters to them.
I myself think fudge gave the job to the toad and she did not send them but
would said she did.


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Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

[Drusilla]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

The Fideloius protected the Order and Harry wasn't sending owls to the
Order but Sirius and his friends.

And Sirius was Untraceable (spell?) himself except for Harry, so, I
suppose there are exceptions for this cases. LV is untraceable as well
and Crouch could send him a letter. And I doubt the house don't allow
owls or the Black have had no communication even with their own family
and Hogwarts
--
_ _

Granjeros en Peru tienen ganancias de menos de $1 por dia. El proyecto
"POTATO GOLDMINE" puede cambiar eso.

Farmers of Peru have incomes of less than $1 per day. The "POTATO
GOLDMINE" project might change that.

http://www.theworldchallenge.co.uk/potato.php

[Sirius Kase]

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Be careful, Tim. If you ask too many questions, the logic tends to
fall apart, and with the logic, the story. But, it is fun to try,
isn't it? Just don't expect to come up with a watertight, provable
explanabion.

Post by Tim Bruening
Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

Hedwig has been let in on the secret. When she couldn't finid the
house right away, she went to Hogwarts and got the secret from DD or
possibly, a note from Fawlkes written by DD.

Post by Tim Bruening
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Owls can know secrets

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Those were stupid owls. Not all owls are as smart as Hedwig.

See, those weren't such hard questions after all.

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

[Welsh Dog]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:14:26 -0700, Tim Bruening
<***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Tim Bruening
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Magic

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

See above.

Welshdog

[UN]

Post by Tim Bruening
Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

How's this, the Fidelius Charm makes a house un-seeable to people.
The same "magic" that allows owls to deliver letters to anyone, anywhere in
the world. Also allows them to deliver them to homes protected by the
Fidelius Charm, since they are not people.

[Toon]

Post by UN

Post by Tim Bruening
Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

How's this, the Fidelius Charm makes a house un-seeable to people.
The same "magic" that allows owls to deliver letters to anyone, anywhere in
the world. Also allows them to deliver them to homes protected by the
Fidelius Charm, since they are not people.

Let's hope the Owls never revolt.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by UN

Post by Tim Bruening
Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

How's this, the Fidelius Charm makes a house un-seeable to people.
The same "magic" that allows owls to deliver letters to anyone, anywhere in
the world. Also allows them to deliver them to homes protected by the
Fidelius Charm, since they are not people.

This is a gaping loophole in the Fidelius Charm! All Voldemort need do is
write a letter to "Order of the Phoenix Headquarters" and tell an owl to
deliver it, then come straight back, then Legimen the owl to determine the
location of OOTP HQ!

[Welsh Dog]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:03:43 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by UN

Post by Tim Bruening
Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Because they'd not actually been sent out... geez... !! In the same
way Dumbledore's owl missed him too.

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by UN
How's this, the Fidelius Charm makes a house un-seeable to people.
The same "magic" that allows owls to deliver letters to anyone, anywhere in
the world. Also allows them to deliver them to homes protected by the
Fidelius Charm, since they are not people.

I'd have suggested that the owls belonging to people who are within
the Fidelius charm are included in its scope and thus able to find
protected houses!!

Post by Tim Bruening
This is a gaping loophole in the Fidelius Charm! All Voldemort need do is
write a letter to "Order of the Phoenix Headquarters" and tell an owl to
deliver it, then come straight back, then Legimen the owl to determine the
location of OOTP HQ!

This is assuming the brains of owls function the same way a humans
does and that they can be 'read' in the same way!!

Besides, as has been said before, if it was *that* easy to subvert the
owl post, then when they were looking for Sirius after his breakout
from Azkabahn all the MoM would have had to do is send and owl to
sirius and follow it by broom!!!

No gaping loopholes for you!! :)

Welshdog

[Here in Minnesota!]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione.
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deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

In the beginning of HBP when Harry stays with Ron all their mail was
redirected to the ministry and then sent on.

"And lastly, while you stay here, the Burrow has been given the highest
security the Ministry of Magic can provide. These measures have caused a
certain amount of inconvenience to Arthur and Molly - all their post, for
instance, is being searched at the Ministry before being sent on. They do
not mind in the slightest, for their only concern is your safety

The mail could have been redirected to DD's office and then sent to the
Headquarters.

Post by Tim Bruening
This is a gaping loophole in the Fidelius Charm! All Voldemort need do is
write a letter to "Order of the Phoenix Headquarters" and tell an owl to
deliver it, then come straight back, then Legimen the owl to determine the
location of OOTP HQ!

<with snipping>

The dark lord couldn't Legimen Snape to get the location.

"They were joined, as you very well know, by half of the Order before long!"
snarled Bellatrix. "And, while we are on the subject of the Order, you still
claim you cannot reveal the whereabouts of their headquarters, don't you?"
"I am not the Secret-Keeper; I cannot speak the name of the place. You
understand how the enchantment works, I think?

[Toon]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:05:16 -0500, "Here in Minnesota!"

Post by Here in Minnesota!
"They were joined, as you very well know, by half of the Order before long!"
snarled Bellatrix. "And, while we are on the subject of the Order, you still
claim you cannot reveal the whereabouts of their headquarters, don't you?"
"I am not the Secret-Keeper; I cannot speak the name of the place. You
understand how the enchantment works, I think?

Too bad JK doesn't. Her answer and Book 7 do not match up.

[Tim Bruening]

OOTP Spoilers:

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.

How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

[Here in Minnesota!]

Post by Tim Bruening
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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Besides the possibility of being JAPH [just another plot hole]... there are
a couple possibilities...

First we need to assume that owls are very smart, which is obvious in the
books.

the owls could have used a 3rd party at first... IE the owls delivered the
post to DD at Hogwarts or Arthur at the MoM and then the owls were then
brought to the headquarters

the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...

1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

then everything works and you can sleep at night.

I also assume until the fall of MoM... that owl post was considered sacred.

As far as the hearing on August 12th... I think Fudge lied about sending
owls... which is why Fudge was surprised that DD made it and didn't have a
chair for him.

[Sir F. A. Rien]

Post by Here in Minnesota!

Post by Tim Bruening
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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Besides the possibility of being JAPH [just another plot hole]... there are
a couple possibilities...
First we need to assume that owls are very smart, which is obvious in the
books.
the owls could have used a 3rd party at first... IE the owls delivered the
post to DD at Hogwarts or Arthur at the MoM and then the owls were then
brought to the headquarters
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home
then everything works and you can sleep at night.
I also assume until the fall of MoM... that owl post was considered sacred.
As far as the hearing on August 12th... I think Fudge lied about sending
owls... which is why Fudge was surprised that DD made it and didn't have a
chair for him.

Who gives a Hoot, Hoot. ?

[Toon]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:02:32 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien

Post by Sir F. A. Rien

Post by Here in Minnesota!

Post by Tim Bruening
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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Besides the possibility of being JAPH [just another plot hole]... there are
a couple possibilities...
First we need to assume that owls are very smart, which is obvious in the
books.
the owls could have used a 3rd party at first... IE the owls delivered the
post to DD at Hogwarts or Arthur at the MoM and then the owls were then
brought to the headquarters
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home
then everything works and you can sleep at night.
I also assume until the fall of MoM... that owl post was considered sacred.
As far as the hearing on August 12th... I think Fudge lied about sending
owls... which is why Fudge was surprised that DD made it and didn't have a
chair for him.

Who gives a Hoot, Hoot. ?

You should, and thus not pollute.

[Welsh Dog]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:19:58 -0500, "Here in Minnesota!"

Post by Here in Minnesota!

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

Besides the possibility of being JAPH [just another plot hole]... there are
a couple possibilities...
First we need to assume that owls are very smart, which is obvious in the
books.
the owls could have used a 3rd party at first... IE the owls delivered the
post to DD at Hogwarts or Arthur at the MoM and then the owls were then
brought to the headquarters
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

Post by Here in Minnesota!
then everything works and you can sleep at night.
I also assume until the fall of MoM... that owl post was considered sacred.
As far as the hearing on August 12th... I think Fudge lied about sending
owls... which is why Fudge was surprised that DD made it and didn't have a
chair for him.

I agree they possibly weren't even sent! And Dumbledore said he only
arrived three hours early by a "lucky chance"? :D

Welshdog

[Toon]

Post by Welsh Dog
That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

Unless they changed the spell.

Post by Welsh Dog
I agree they possibly weren't even sent! And Dumbledore said he only
arrived three hours early by a "lucky chance"? :D
Welshdog
--

The lucky chance being he knew Fudge would try something. Or maybe he
used a Time Tuner. They were still functioning back then.

[Here in Minnesota!]

snip

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Here in Minnesota!
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

snip

I assume that owls could be intercepted right when the leave or right when
they arrive at Hogwarts... but could still be un-follow-able.

[DaveD]

Post by Here in Minnesota!
snip

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Here in Minnesota!
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

snip
I assume that owls could be intercepted right when the leave or right when
they arrive at Hogwarts... but could still be un-follow-able.

I always thought they were a lot more vulnerable, judging by how concerned
Sirius was about owls to/from him being traced (perhaps by MoM-trained
tracker-owls?!)

DaveD

[Sir F. A. Rien]

Post by DaveD

Post by Here in Minnesota!
snip

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Here in Minnesota!
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

snip
I assume that owls could be intercepted right when the leave or right when
they arrive at Hogwarts... but could still be un-follow-able.

I always thought they were a lot more vulnerable, judging by how concerned
Sirius was about owls to/from him being traced (perhaps by MoM-trained
tracker-owls?!)

It's owl speculation - until you flip th bird.

[Toon]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:49:40 +0100, "DaveD"

Post by DaveD

Post by Here in Minnesota!
snip

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Here in Minnesota!
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

snip
I assume that owls could be intercepted right when the leave or right when
they arrive at Hogwarts... but could still be un-follow-able.

I always thought they were a lot more vulnerable, judging by how concerned
Sirius was about owls to/from him being traced (perhaps by MoM-trained
tracker-owls?!)
DaveD

Perhas the MOM altered the spell around OOP time.

[Sir F. A. Rien]

Post by Here in Minnesota!
snip

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Here in Minnesota!
the owls could use a different type of magic... like house elves. if you
assume...
1. that the Fidelius Charm doesn't work on owls
2. Unplottable charms don't work on owls
3. owls are "un-follow-able" until they return home

That last won't fly (sorry)... we know that owls were being
intercepted by the MoM! Hedwig was damaged by one such interception.

snip
I assume that owls could be intercepted right when the leave or right when
they arrive at Hogwarts... but could still be un-follow-able.

Whoo gives a Whoot?

[richard e white]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
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protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Maybe. we don't know what sort of protections are there. All we do know is
curses can be sent by owls. However, the one that threatened to do so to
hermoney never raived. Unless the bubertober puss was the curse. Hogwarts
seamed to stop most of the sort of things that could be sent. However, that
does seam to be at least unexplained.
It does seam that the owls aren't stopped by the charm, unless dd told the
owl off screen or it can go where ever Harry can.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

My guess is they were never sent. I'm sure fudge thought they were sent.
However, as I rather think the toad took that job she never sent them. It
was the sort of thing she would do.




--
Richard The Blind Typer.
Lets hear it for talking computers.
Lets go for talking i-pods!

[Sir F. A. Rien]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

Maybe. we don't know what sort of protections are there. All we do know is
curses can be sent by owls. However, the one that threatened to do so to
hermoney

all in cash?

Post by richard e white
never raived. Unless the bubertober puss was the curse. Hogwarts
seamed

it's a tailor now?

Post by richard e white
to stop most of the sort of things that could be sent. However, that
does seam to be at least unexplained.
It does seam that the owls aren't stopped by the charm, unless dd told the
owl off screen or it can go where ever Harry can.

Post by Tim Bruening
Also, why couldn't the MoM owls find Potter and Ron's Dad on August 11
or 12?

My guess is they were never sent. I'm sure fudge thought they were sent.
However, as I rather think the toad took that job she never sent them. It
was the sort of thing she would do.

.. and another hairy plopper bites the dust.

[Drusilla]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

I think JKR said something like Sirius allowing himself to be found ONLY
by Harry. Just like you can make yourself

[t***@gmail.com]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Owls r strongly magical I think..........

Why aren't owls routinely used to search for missing persons? (i.e. Sirius Black in Book 3, Bertha Jorkins in Book 4). Just address a letter to a missing person and send it via an owl that has a tracking spell on it!

[mom2shelshae]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Because that's her job and she's very good at it!!!
mom2
lol

[Tim Bruening]

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deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Because that's her job and she's very good at it!!!

How in the world is an owl able to break the Findelius (sp?) Charm?

[Moxie]

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deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
under a Charm that makes it unfindable unless Dumbledore tells you where
it is. How does she find that house?

Because that's her job and she's very good at it!!!

How in the world is an owl able to break the Findelius (sp?) Charm?

Similar to the magic of the house elves in Hogwarts and the way
that every owl could find Sirius, but no one in the MoM could.
Writer's license. JKR gave the owls special abilities to locate the
receiver without being traced.

Moxie

[Veronica Chaffin]

she was with harry when he stayed at #12 grimmauld, so she knows where it
is.

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it is. How does she find that house?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Veronica Chaffin
she was with harry when he stayed at #12 grimmauld, so she knows where it
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She flew there BEFORE Harry Potter arrived!

[PStaw57550]

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protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

To answer this you would have to answer how Hedwig always finds the right
person no matter where they are. (Siruis when he's in the South Pacific and
Dumbledore when he's in route from Hogwarts to London) Owls are the most
powerful magical creature there is and obviously they are equipped to identify
any person anywhere and immediately target that person and track them no matter
where they go like a homing pidgeon (Ok - just a speculation)

[Tim Bruening]

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Harry sends Hedwig to deliver letters to Sirius, Ron, and Hermione. To
deliver those letters, Hedwig finds a house that is both Unplottable and
protected by the Fidelius Charm that makes it unfindable unless
Dumbledore tells you where it is.
How in the world can an owl find such a house? This looks like a gaping
loophole in magical protection spells!

To answer this you would have to answer how Hedwig always finds the right
person no matter where they are. (Siruis when he's in the South Pacific and
Dumbledore when he's in route from Hogwarts to London) Owls are the most
powerful magical creature there is and obviously they are equipped to identify
any person anywhere and immediately target that person and track them no matter
where they go like a homing pidgeon (Ok - just a speculation)

I hereby propose that a DE learn how to turn into an owl!

[Veronica Chaffin]

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she was with harry when he stayed at #12 grimmauld, so she knows where it
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it is. How does she find that house?

[Veronica Chaffin]

she was with harry when he stayed at #12 grimmauld, so she knows where

it

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where

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it is. How does she find that house?