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Lee Jordan?
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Lord Tyr
2003-11-11 06:23:42 UTC
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Is a male right?
Is there a photo of him?
It shows that he was in the 1st film,,, but i thought the announcer was a
female?
Markku Uttula
2003-11-11 07:51:41 UTC
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But I thought Lee was white?
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was. This of course does not automatically mean that these
people are white (or rather caucasian shade of pink), but many people
create the mental image of "whiteness" if nothing else is mentioned
and a persons name does not suggest anything else (as is the case with
Cho Chang or the Patils for example).

It is notable that after the movies got out, OotP included some
appearance details on some of the characters, most notably some skin
color issues. Also some people have told that the U.S. edition of the
books has all the time been describing some of the people as
non-caucasian, but I'm not sure if this is true.

One further thing to notice that I usually read the finnish versions
where these things are not mentioned to my knowledge, but I can't
remember anything from the original ones that suggests any
differently. Of course I could be totally wrong on the issue - would
definetly be not the best idea.
sorry i'm not being P.C....
Personal Computer? :)
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Markku Uttula
Ron Lowe
2003-11-11 09:13:27 UTC
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Post by Markku Uttula
But I thought Lee was white?
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was. This of course does not automatically mean that these
people are white (or rather caucasian shade of pink), but many people
create the mental image of "whiteness" if nothing else is mentioned
and a persons name does not suggest anything else (as is the case with
Cho Chang or the Patils for example).
It is notable that after the movies got out, OotP included some
appearance details on some of the characters, most notably some skin
color issues. Also some people have told that the U.S. edition of the
books has all the time been describing some of the people as
non-caucasian, but I'm not sure if this is true.
In GoF UK edition ( ie before any films and OotP ) Angelina is described
as being black. I've always assumed Lee to be black because dreadlocks
are usually associated with that colour.

Ron.
Markku Uttula
2003-11-11 09:58:18 UTC
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Post by Ron Lowe
In GoF UK edition ( ie before any films and OotP ) Angelina is
described as being black.
My error, I was under the impression that GoF was published only after
the first movie, but it was just the finnish translation that came out
in 2001 (and I must admit that I wasn't among the first people to pick
it up - shame on me).
Post by Ron Lowe
I've always assumed Lee to be black
because dreadlocks are usually associated with that colour.
Not in my country they are :)
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Markku Uttula
Lord Tyr
2003-11-11 18:11:46 UTC
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I read the US versions & it described Angelina being a pretty black young
lady & Lee says it during an announcement while the game is on....
Post by Ron Lowe
Post by Markku Uttula
But I thought Lee was white?
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was. This of course does not automatically mean that these
people are white (or rather caucasian shade of pink), but many people
create the mental image of "whiteness" if nothing else is mentioned
and a persons name does not suggest anything else (as is the case with
Cho Chang or the Patils for example).
It is notable that after the movies got out, OotP included some
appearance details on some of the characters, most notably some skin
color issues. Also some people have told that the U.S. edition of the
books has all the time been describing some of the people as
non-caucasian, but I'm not sure if this is true.
In GoF UK edition ( ie before any films and OotP ) Angelina is described
as being black. I've always assumed Lee to be black because dreadlocks
are usually associated with that colour.
Ron.
Greg Zywicki
2003-11-11 15:15:31 UTC
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Post by Markku Uttula
But I thought Lee was white?
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was.
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.

Greg Zywicki
BaronjosefR
2003-11-11 15:29:27 UTC
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Post by Markku Uttula
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was.
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.

Greg Zywicki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I think the dreadlocks give it away.

By the way, in the movie, I always thought that was a girl.
Grand Poobah
2003-11-11 15:41:02 UTC
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Post by Greg Zywicki
Post by Markku Uttula
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was.
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.
Greg Zywicki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I think the dreadlocks give it away.
By the way, in the movie, I always thought that was a girl.
No, as far as I can recall, the actor's name is Luke Youngblood - definitely
a bloke.

GP
BaronjosefR
2003-11-11 16:09:54 UTC
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Post by BaronjosefR
I think the dreadlocks give it away.
By the way, in the movie, I always thought that was a girl.
No, as far as I can recall, the actor's name is Luke Youngblood - definitely
a bloke.

GP
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Don't care what the name is: looks like a girl and has a voice and demeanor to
match
Lord Tyr
2003-11-11 18:14:09 UTC
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Ya in the film I thought it was a female... The voice & the face.... Anyone
can have dreads.... but i thought it was a girl,,, & lee was described I
believe as a thin & reselmbed the twins since they were best friends....
Post by Greg Zywicki
Post by Markku Uttula
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was.
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.
Greg Zywicki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I think the dreadlocks give it away.
By the way, in the movie, I always thought that was a girl.
Greg Zywicki
2003-11-11 18:50:52 UTC
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Post by Greg Zywicki
Post by Markku Uttula
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was.
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.
Greg Zywicki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I think the dreadlocks give it away.
Then you've never been to a Phish concert.

Greg Zywicki
BaronjosefR
2003-11-11 20:10:54 UTC
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Post by Greg Zywicki
Post by Markku Uttula
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was.
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.
Greg Zywicki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I think the dreadlocks give it away.
Then you've never been to a Phish concert.

Greg Zywicki<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


You are right. I actually have been to a Phish concert. I dont know how it came
about, but they were performing in a disco in Pittsburgh, the 911 Club (which
is no longer named that, for obvious reasons). It was perhaps the most surreal
thing I have ever seen. A couple hundred pseudo-hippies under teh disco lights.
Eric Bohlman
2003-11-11 22:47:27 UTC
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Post by Greg Zywicki
I'm very sure that Lee is described as black in
Sorceror's/Philosopher's stone. Sometime between Harry arriving at
King's Cross and Debarking at Hogwarts.
Nope. Just as a "boy with dreadlocks."
Post by Greg Zywicki
I think the dreadlocks give it away.
Not really. I don't know about the situation in the UK, but at some point
in the US it became trendy for white kids to wear dreadlocks. Somehow,
though, I think that was somewhat after 1991, and may have been related to
the popularity of the band Korn (which has some white members who wear
dreadlocks).
Lord Tyr
2003-11-11 18:12:38 UTC
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PC= Politically Correct

& somewhere in the book it mentioned their race to a degree... thats wy I
was wondering if the movies stayed with that or did they miss up?
Post by Markku Uttula
But I thought Lee was white?
What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the
characters was. This of course does not automatically mean that these
people are white (or rather caucasian shade of pink), but many people
create the mental image of "whiteness" if nothing else is mentioned
and a persons name does not suggest anything else (as is the case with
Cho Chang or the Patils for example).
It is notable that after the movies got out, OotP included some
appearance details on some of the characters, most notably some skin
color issues. Also some people have told that the U.S. edition of the
books has all the time been describing some of the people as
non-caucasian, but I'm not sure if this is true.
One further thing to notice that I usually read the finnish versions
where these things are not mentioned to my knowledge, but I can't
remember anything from the original ones that suggests any
differently. Of course I could be totally wrong on the issue - would
definetly be not the best idea.
sorry i'm not being P.C....
Personal Computer? :)
--
Markku Uttula
Blood Phoenix Rising
2003-11-11 19:01:46 UTC
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"What made you think this? It was not described in any of the books
before the movies went out what the skin colour of any of the characters
was."

I thought somewhere it described Dean as being a black boy who was
taller than Ron?
Weird Beard
2003-11-11 06:41:40 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
Is a male right?
Is there a photo of him?
It shows that he was in the 1st film,,, but i thought the announcer was a
female?
Lee Jordan is a male. He just wears his hair in dreadlocks, that's all.
Kish
2003-11-11 06:41:46 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
Is a male right?
Yes.
Post by Lord Tyr
Is there a photo of him?
It shows that he was in the 1st film,,, but i thought the announcer was a
female?
No, he's always been male.
Lord Tyr
2003-11-11 06:55:41 UTC
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Okay so it is a boy :)
But I thought Lee was white?
& what about the girl he likes in the 4th book i believe johnson wasnt she
suppose to be black?

sorry i'm not being P.C....
Post by Kish
Post by Lord Tyr
Is a male right?
Yes.
Post by Lord Tyr
Is there a photo of him?
It shows that he was in the 1st film,,, but i thought the announcer was a
female?
No, he's always been male.
n***@nospam.com
2003-11-11 17:33:04 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
Okay so it is a boy :)
But I thought Lee was white?
actually I don't believe it was ever said one way or another.
Post by Lord Tyr
& what about the girl he likes in the 4th book i believe johnson wasnt she
suppose to be black?
Johnson is black but she's not the girl that Harry liked. Cho is the
girl in question (she's on the Ravenclaw team). Only she was dating
Cedric at the time.
Lord Tyr
2003-11-11 18:15:39 UTC
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Oh I know Cho is the one Harry is hot & bothered for....
Was just wondering if anyone else pretty much thought that Luke was way too
femme.... plus he was suppose to be tall & thin like the twins i believe...
Post by n***@nospam.com
Post by Lord Tyr
Okay so it is a boy :)
But I thought Lee was white?
actually I don't believe it was ever said one way or another.
Post by Lord Tyr
& what about the girl he likes in the 4th book i believe johnson wasnt she
suppose to be black?
Johnson is black but she's not the girl that Harry liked. Cho is the
girl in question (she's on the Ravenclaw team). Only she was dating
Cedric at the time.
richard e white
2003-11-11 23:02:06 UTC
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Post by n***@nospam.com
actually I don't believe it was ever said one way or another.
It depends on witch copy you have. The USA SS says he is black at the
dinner table. but this line is not in the UK vertion that is know as PS.
Now we know that both vertions have ben edited from JKR's manuscript. so
what I would like to know is what it said in the orginal manuscript. not that
I think any of us will ever see it.

I think the seen on the platform only says that a dark kid with dredlocks
has something in a box. and in the train the twin says that lee has a great
big spider in a box.
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Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
Grand Poobah
2003-11-12 19:27:04 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
Oh I know Cho is the one Harry is hot & bothered for....
Was just wondering if anyone else pretty much thought that Luke was way too
femme.... plus he was suppose to be tall & thin like the twins i believe...
I thought JKR described the twins as shorter and stockier than Ron (in
OoTP)? If they're tall and thin, Ron must be a right freak!!!! <scary
mental images>

In that way, of course, the movie casting doesn't match the books any more
because the movie twins are taller than anyone else on set, and they're not
"stocky" either.

GP
Grand Poobah
2003-11-12 19:37:43 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
Post by Lord Tyr
Oh I know Cho is the one Harry is hot & bothered for....
Was just wondering if anyone else pretty much thought that Luke was way
too
Post by Lord Tyr
femme.... plus he was suppose to be tall & thin like the twins i
believe...
I thought JKR described the twins as shorter and stockier than Ron (in
OoTP)? If they're tall and thin, Ron must be a right freak!!!! <scary
mental images>
In that way, of course, the movie casting doesn't match the books any more
because the movie twins are taller than anyone else on set, and they're not
"stocky" either.
GP
The exact quote, should anyone care...

"Stop doing that!" Hermione said weakly to the twins, who were as vividly
red-haired as Ron, though stockier and slightly shorter."

Okay, so they're short and stocky in comparison to Ron but I guess that
doesn't make them short and stocky in general. Never mind.

GP
BaronjosefR
2003-11-12 20:01:08 UTC
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I thought JKR described the twins as shorter and stockier than Ron (in
OoTP)? If they're tall and thin, Ron must be a right freak!!!! <scary
mental images>
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maybe for movie 7, Ron can bbe played by Yao Ming. All you need is to dye Yao's
hair red. They both seem to have the same level of command when it comes to
speaking English on camera...
The REAL Naminanu
2003-11-12 22:18:13 UTC
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Post by BaronjosefR
maybe for movie 7, Ron can bbe played by Yao Ming. All you need is to dye Yao's
hair red. They both seem to have the same level of command when it comes to
speaking English on camera...
Crookshanks! Did I hear you mew just then???

Will

Alex Clark
2003-11-12 06:48:03 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
& what about the girl he likes in the 4th book i believe johnson wasnt she
suppose to be black?
Johnson is black but she's not the girl that Harry liked. . . .
But she's the girl Jordan likes. As he says in OotP19:

". . . Johnson with the Quaffle, what a player that girl is, I've been
saying it for years but she still won't go out with me--"

Alex Clark

Dad, vomit more roll (another anagram rejected by Tom Riddle)
Eric Bohlman
2003-11-11 22:58:19 UTC
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Post by Lord Tyr
Okay so it is a boy :)
But I thought Lee was white?
& what about the girl he likes in the 4th book i believe johnson wasnt
she suppose to be black?
sorry i'm not being P.C....
None of the language you used would be considered objectionable in ordinary
US usage, at least in the context in which you used it (if either Lee or
Angelina had been adult, then referring to them as "boy" and "girl" would
be considered offensive. But they aren't). It would certainly be
incorrect (no adverb needed) to refer to Angelina as "African-American"
since there's absolutely nothing in the story to suggest that she's of
American background. In fact it would be quite ethnocentric to do so.
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