House Elves: Order Of The Phoenix Spoilers

[Tim Bruening]

House Elves: Order Of The Phoenix Spoilers:

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Hermione leaves hats all over Gryffindor Tower, apparently thinking that
the house elves will pick them up and thus be freed.

I don't know if that would work. On the one hand, Hermione is not the
Headmaster of Hogwarts, so I doubted that she would have the authority
to free house elves by giving the house elves clothes.

On the other hand, she is a resident of Hogwarts for over 9 months a
year, so might after all be able to free Hogwarts house elves.

What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

What would a house elf do if he saw someone's clothes on the floor?

I was amused by Dobby taking all the hats, and the other elves no longer
cleaning the Gryffindor tower because they feel insulted by the hats.

I was surprised that Harry Potter didn't ask Dobby to rely messages to
Sirius. After all, I saw Dobby disappear from the Hogwarts infirmary
with my own two eyes in the movie, and I assumed that he would be able
to get back to the Malfoy house in a very short period of time (else he
wouldn't risk leaving the Malfoy house for Hogwarts in the first place,
given his fear of Lucius discovering his absense), so I believe that
Dobby can Disapperate from Hogwarts in spite of the spells that prevent
humans from doing so. Therefore, Dobby could deliver messages between
Harry and Sirius with a minimum of delay.

IMHO, Dumbledore should recruit the Hogwarts elves into his army, since
a house elf can knock a wizard backwards, Apperate, perform Hover
Charms, teleport food, and drag people off against their will.

Dobby wanted freedom because Lucius treated him very badly. I assume
that the Hogwarts elves don't want freedom because they are treated
kindly. I suspect that other DE house elves are treated as badly as
Dobby was, so would desire freedom. I suggest that Hermione have Dobby
talk to the DE elves about freedom.

[Impmon]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

My understanding was only the owner can free the elves. In book 2,
Harry had to get Malfoy to give the sock to Dobby for the freedom and
that implies if you don't own the elf, you can't set them free by
giving them your clothes. The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

Post by Tim Bruening
What would a house elf do if he saw someone's clothes on the floor?

Assume they are dirty clothes left there to be cleaned, folded, and
put away. My understinding was that you have to *give* the clothes
for the freedom to count. Hermione was "giving" the clothes but other
clothes are just left around to be cleaned so it is not "giving" to
elves at all.

Post by Tim Bruening
I was amused by Dobby taking all the hats, and the other elves no longer
cleaning the Gryffindor tower because they feel insulted by the hats.

Me too. Looks like Hermione owes Harry a big one. If Harry hadn't
freed Dobby, no one would be cleaning the house at all.

Post by Tim Bruening
I was surprised that Harry Potter didn't ask Dobby to rely messages to
Sirius. After all, I saw Dobby disappear from the Hogwarts infirmary
with my own two eyes in the movie,

[snip]

and in the book too. I think Harry simply forgot about Dobby in that
moment or simply thought owls (book 4) and fireplaces were easier.
/roll eyes. Beside Snape in book 5, Harry could have sent discreetly
Dobby to someone within the Order to check for Sirius rather than
trying to break in Umbridge's office. I don't know if Dobby can find
the house protected by secret keeper or not.

Post by Tim Bruening
IMHO, Dumbledore should recruit the Hogwarts elves into his army, since
a house elf can knock a wizard backwards, Apperate, perform Hover
Charms, teleport food, and drag people off against their will.

That can still happen in either book 6 or 7. There's some fanfics on
this as well.

Post by Tim Bruening
Dobby wanted freedom because Lucius treated him very badly. I assume
that the Hogwarts elves don't want freedom because they are treated
kindly. I suspect that other DE house elves are treated as badly as
Dobby was, so would desire freedom. I suggest that Hermione have Dobby
talk to the DE elves about freedom.

I would think so. Elves that are treated fairly like the Hogswart
would probably prefer to be slaves but other would want freedom. I
wonder if someone could set Hermione to DE's elves

[Mikoangelo]

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Mikoangelo

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

How do house elves reproduce?

[tuxgeo]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:30:38 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mikoangelo

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

How do house elves reproduce?

It starts out innocently enough: they begin by playing "House."

Then they start to stare at each other on the Stairs. After they get
acquainted that way, they take it outdoors and begin some
"Courtyard-ship." This is followed in convoluted sequences by
Antique-dating, knife-fork-and-Spooning, and some sneaky and
squeaky hole-and-corner activities that do *NOT* involve the use
of clothes -- and are inappropriate to dwell on much here.
When they lose count of how many of them there are in the house,
they soon learn the reason.

[richard e white]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mikoangelo

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

How do house elves reproduce?

More or less in the normal way. But they seam to meet other house elfs when
they go out
to do odd jobs.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Toon]

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mikoangelo

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

How do house elves reproduce?

More or less in the normal way. But they seam to meet other house elfs when
they go out
to do odd jobs.

Why not? Koko the sign language, kitty loving gorilla video dated
once.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Mikoangelo

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

How do house elves reproduce?

[FRED ZICARD]

Re: House Elves: Order Of The Phoenix Spoilers

Group: alt.fan.harry-potter Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2006, 4:36am (EDT-3)
From: ***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us (Tim=A0Bruening)
Mikoangelo wrote:
Impmon wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening
<***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?
[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so it's hard to tell who owns the
Hogswart elves now.
My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.
How do house elves reproduce?
Probably the same way we humans do. After all, there are female house
elves.
Hermione: "At least the Gryffindor team got in on talent. No one had to
buy their way in."
Malfoy: "No one asked your opinion, you filthy little mudblood."
Ron: "You'll pay for that one, Malfoy! Eat slugs!"

[gep]

How do house elves reproduce?

My guess is Magically???

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mikoangelo

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

[deletia]
The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

My impression is that it would be DD.
I'm under the impression, that house elves have a life rythm relatively
close to humans. And since Dobby said, that his family has been serving
the Malfoy family for a very long time (I'm a little rusty in the
quotes), this would mean that the ownership is passed on through the
family, which in the school would mean to the next headmaster.

How do house elves reproduce?

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?
My guess is Magically???

I was figuring that they would make love the way humans do, but wondered how
the House Elves would meet for sex when they have to stay in their houses to
serve their masters.

[richard e white]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?
My guess is Magically???

I was figuring that they would make love the way humans do, but wondered how
the House Elves would meet for sex when they have to stay in their houses to
serve their masters.

They go visiting. either with there own people or around there work and
errands. After all Dobby even made it so he could warn harry. So they can get
away for a while from time to time.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Toon]

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?
My guess is Magically???

Winky needs to stop getting drunk, or else Kreacher or such an elf
will take advantage of her.

[duh]

Post by Toon

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?
My guess is Magically???

Winky needs to stop getting drunk, or else Kreacher or such an elf
will take advantage of her.

you know, if she's that short, has pistol grip ears, and a flat spot on
her head where I can set my butterbeer, I might think about it.

[Markku Uttula]

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

[*MYSTIC*]

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

Sex and lots of butterbeer.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

[Mauro]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

Just because Dobby is the only house elf we see that was owned by the Malfoy
family doesn't mean that he was the only one. In the USA when there was
slavery, slaveowners rarely owned only one slave. Perhaps Kreacher being
the only house elf at 12 Grimauld Place is the exception rather than the
rule, and multiple house elves such as at Hogwarts is more typical. Then
the problem of how the meet in the first place goes away.

[Karnak17]

Post by Mauro

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

Just because Dobby is the only house elf we see that was owned by the Malfoy
family doesn't mean that he was the only one. In the USA when there was
slavery, slaveowners rarely owned only one slave. Perhaps Kreacher being
the only house elf at 12 Grimauld Place is the exception rather than the
rule, and multiple house elves such as at Hogwarts is more typical. Then
the problem of how the meet in the first place goes away.

Well, Kreacher wasn't the only one. Those were his relatives on the
walls. He was the last of his line, as Sirius was the last of the
Blacks.

As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

[Toon]

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

[Mauro]

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?

Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

[ah]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

[duh]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Prove it.

[ah]

Post by duh

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Prove it.

Their lingams are far too small.

[Green-Eyed Chris]

Post by ah

Post by duh

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Prove it.

Their lingams are far too small.

Judging by brains, I'm sure some of the guys around here could accomodate
a yoni.
--
Chris

[duh]

Post by ah

Post by duh

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Prove it.

Their lingams are far too small.

Is that, like, a cheese?

[ah]

Post by duh

Post by ah

Post by duh

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Prove it.

Their lingams are far too small.

Is that, like, a cheese?

More a condiment, that.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

[Richard Eney]

Crosspost removed.

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Goblins can. (Prof. Flitwick's size is from a distant ancestor who was a goblin)
Veelas can. (Fleur)
Giants can. (Hagrid)

So I think that House-elves probably could, but probably would prefer not to.

(Wouldn't that make a difficult decision for the MoM! Not to mention if the
child had house-elf magic, and no "must serve master" compulsion.)

As someone posted here years ago, with Polyjuice, all is possible.

=Tamar

[ah]

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Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by ah

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Mauro

Post by Toon

Post by Karnak17
As to the problem of their meeting, that doesn't go away. Unless
Kreacher's relatives got out of the House ot mix and mingle, then their
options would either be incest, or arranged marriages with House Elves
from friendly families, which would probably still involve a lot of
inbreeding.

Maybe inbreeding isn't a problem for elves. We know it is for
mammals. But are elves even mammals, or something else?

House-elves are considered "magical creatures," are they not?
Biodiversity through magical DNA! I like it.

Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

Snape was the Potions teacher at Hogworts until an unfortunate altercation with the
Headmaster.

[drusilla]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ah

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

Snape was the Potions teacher at Hogworts until an unfortunate altercation with the
Headmaster.

Yeah, and who knows what could he have been doing while he had his job
with all those elves in his free time...

[Tim Bruening]

Post by drusilla

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ah

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

Snape was the Potions teacher at Hogworts until an unfortunate altercation with the
Headmaster.

Yeah, and who knows what could he have been doing while he had his job
with all those elves in his free time...

Are you accusing him of something kinky?

[drusilla]

Post by Tim Bruening
Are you accusing him of something kinky?

"Snape" and "kinky" are words I would never put together....

[Green-Eyed Chris]

Post by drusilla

Post by Tim Bruening
Are you accusing him of something kinky?

"Snape" and "kinky" are words I would never put together....

I know a young lady who dreams of being in bed with Snape. She likes a
little playful torture. She is not in the "Snape is evil" camp.
--
Chris

[drusilla]

Post by Green-Eyed Chris

Post by drusilla

Post by Tim Bruening
Are you accusing him of something kinky?

"Snape" and "kinky" are words I would never put together....

I know a young lady who dreams of being in bed with Snape. She likes a
little playful torture. She is not in the "Snape is evil" camp.
--
Chris

Narcissa? Bellatrix?
(But personally I could use some torture on Snape, and not the kind
you're thinking about... eww..)

[*MYSTIC*]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by drusilla

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ah

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

Snape was the Potions teacher at Hogworts until an unfortunate altercation with the
Headmaster.

Yeah, and who knows what could he have been doing while he had his job
with all those elves in his free time...

Are you accusing him of something kinky?

Hmmm....her name is Winky afterall....

[Mauro]

Post by *MYSTIC*

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by drusilla

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by ah

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

Snape was the Potions teacher at Hogworts until an unfortunate altercation with the
Headmaster.

Yeah, and who knows what could he have been doing while he had his job
with all those elves in his free time...

Are you accusing him of something kinky?

Hmmm....her name is Winky afterall....

Isn't Kinky Winky one of the Teletubbies?

[Toon]

Post by ah

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
Can House-elves breed with humans?

No.

Not even with a potion supplied by Snape?

Whatever that is, is can surely not be healthy.

I'm sure there's a potion for that as well.

[Philip Lewis]

Post by Tim Bruening
How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

If the malfoys are any indication of the typical H.E. owner, they
probably breed them through arranged meetings... like horses or pets.

I'd like to think that that isn't the case, and that they meet
someplace when the masters are not needing their services.
Perhaps there is a signal (bell pull) in the house that signals the
elf who then apparates (via the house elf equivalent which works at
hogwarts. ;) back to the house.

[Karnak17]

Post by Philip Lewis

Post by Tim Bruening
How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

If the malfoys are any indication of the typical H.E. owner, they
probably breed them through arranged meetings... like horses or pets.

It would likely be something along the lines of an arranged marriage.
If a House Elf had evenings or afternoons off, such as domestics used
to, they could nip around to another Wizarding establishment and hang
out in the kitchen during breaks, discussing how wonderful their
respective Masters were, and what joy it was to serve them.

As with American slavery, it might be that the Head Servant might go to
the Master and suggest that two slaves were fond of eachother, Master
One would then suggest it to Master Two, and the match would be agreed
upon by all parties. Of course if they both belonged to the same
House, it would be a simple matter of asking for consent and getting
it.

I wonder if a married pair -- or "married pair" (I doubt they would be
granted legal marriage) -- would live together in the same House. My
feeling is that House Elf magic would make buying and sellling slaves,
or transferring them from one owner to another, a bit more complicated
than it would be for a human slave. So each elf might remain the
property of his/her own master.

In HUCK FINN, Jim's wife and children belonged to a different owner
than Jim did. I got the impression that she had a cabin of her own
(her masters), and that when he was finished his duties at the Widow
Douglas's, that he went home to her.

Post by Philip Lewis
I'd like to think that that isn't the case, and that they meet
someplace when the masters are not needing their services.
Perhaps there is a signal (bell pull) in the house that signals the
elf who then apparates (via the house elf equivalent which works at
hogwarts. ;) back to the house.

I think that owners would in general have an interest in who their
slaves got involved with, and would want to know. They would want
"good breeding stock" as mates for their female house elves (Kreacher
would not be acceptable, for example). And they probably wouldn't want
their elves taking up with the elves of their political enemies or
business rivals.

Therefore, House Elves would probably ask consent to engage in
courtship.

In American slavery, purely arranged marriages, purely for "breeding"
purposes, did occur. In one of Cynthia Taylor's books there was such a
couple, who deeply loved eachother, but whose marriage had originally
been contracted under slavery purely because both were so physically
strong, so that they could produce strong children. I think (I hope)
that this was not the usual thing.

[richard e white]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off after some
one gives a vage order that they can twist to do what they want. the same
way creature went to draco's mum.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[drusilla]

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off after some
one gives a vage order that they can twist to do what they want. the same
way creature went to draco's mum.

It might also happen as with dogs, it's the masters who decide which
elves are better to mate their owns with and that's all, so, they order
them to.

(LOL at Markku, BTW)

[Tim Bruening]

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off after some
one gives a vage order that they can twist to do what they want. the same
way creature went to draco's mum.

What order did a Malfoy give that allowed Dobby to leave the Malfoy
mansion to warn Harry Potter?

[Richard Eney]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off
after some one gives a vague order that they can twist to do what
they want. the same way creature went to draco's mum.

What order did a Malfoy give that allowed Dobby to leave the Malfoy
mansion to warn Harry Potter?

Good question. Dobby has trouble criticizing the Malfoys even now.
He self-punished for even coming close to outspoken criticism in CoS.
Perhaps it was because he was driven half-mad that he could tell Harry
how badly he was treated. Yet he showed up more than once: first at
the Dursley house, then later at Hogwarts.

He did say he would have to punish himself later for coming to Harry
without permission, and when Harry saw him again at the end of the
book, Dobby did have more bandages.

=Tamar

[Toon]

Post by Richard Eney

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off
after some one gives a vague order that they can twist to do what
they want. the same way creature went to draco's mum.

What order did a Malfoy give that allowed Dobby to leave the Malfoy
mansion to warn Harry Potter?

Good question. Dobby has trouble criticizing the Malfoys even now.
He self-punished for even coming close to outspoken criticism in CoS.
Perhaps it was because he was driven half-mad that he could tell Harry
how badly he was treated. Yet he showed up more than once: first at
the Dursley house, then later at Hogwarts.
He did say he would have to punish himself later for coming to Harry
without permission, and when Harry saw him again at the end of the
book, Dobby did have more bandages.
=Tamar

Maybe Narcissa told him to go to the Potter's to drop off something,
and Dobby, not knowing which Potter she meant, did them both. And
dropped off valuable info at Harry's.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off
after some one gives a vague order that they can twist to do what
they want. the same way creature went to draco's mum.

What order did a Malfoy give that allowed Dobby to leave the Malfoy
mansion to warn Harry Potter?

Good question. Dobby has trouble criticizing the Malfoys even now.
He self-punished for even coming close to outspoken criticism in CoS.
Perhaps it was because he was driven half-mad that he could tell Harry
how badly he was treated. Yet he showed up more than once: first at
the Dursley house, then later at Hogwarts.
He did say he would have to punish himself later for coming to Harry
without permission, and when Harry saw him again at the end of the
book, Dobby did have more bandages.
=Tamar

Maybe Narcissa told him to go to the Potter's to drop off something,
and Dobby, not knowing which Potter she meant, did them both. And
dropped off valuable info at Harry's.

I thought that there was only ONE Potter alive at the time!

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 15:08, Tim Bruening wrote:
Re: House Elves: Order Of The Phoenix Spoilers (at least in part)

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Toon
=20

Post by Richard Eney
=20

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening
How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

=20
The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off
after some one gives a vague order that they can twist to do what
they want. the same way creature went to draco's mum.

What order did a Malfoy give that allowed Dobby to leave the Malfoy
mansion to warn Harry Potter?

Good question. Dobby has trouble criticizing the Malfoys even now.
He self-punished for even coming close to outspoken criticism in CoS.
Perhaps it was because he was driven half-mad that he could tell Harry
how badly he was treated. Yet he showed up more than once: first at
the Dursley house, then later at Hogwarts.
He did say he would have to punish himself later for coming to Harry=20
without permission, and when Harry saw him again at the end of the=20
book, Dobby did have more bandages.
=3DTamar

=20
Maybe Narcissa told him to go to the Potter's to drop off something,
and Dobby, not knowing which Potter she meant, did them both. And
dropped off valuable info at Harry's.

I thought that there was only ONE Potter alive at the time!

Now that really is a monopoly, bet the kilns are running 24/7

[richard e white]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by richard e white

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Tim Bruening
How do house elves reproduce?

You see, there is this male house-elf and a female house-elf that like
each other very much. They fall in love, decide to start a family. I
have let myself been told that sex is still considered the best option
for procreation.

How do they meet in the first place? How do they get out of their
respective houses without angering their masters?

The same way dobby did to go and warn Harry. They just take off after some
one gives a vage order that they can twist to do what they want. the same
way creature went to draco's mum.

What order did a Malfoy give that allowed Dobby to leave the Malfoy
mansion to warn Harry Potter?

We are never told but I would bet on one of them telling dobby to get out while
they talked of other things.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Jan van Aalderen]

Post by Impmon
and in the book too. I think Harry simply forgot about Dobby in that
moment or simply thought owls (book 4) and fireplaces were easier.
/roll eyes. Beside Snape in book 5, Harry could have sent discreetly
Dobby to someone within the Order to check for Sirius rather than
trying to break in Umbridge's office. I don't know if Dobby can find
the house protected by secret keeper or not.

Harry couldn't use Dobby as messenger, since U. would have been able to
extract any msgs sent from Dobby once she, as head mistress, had a
suspicion Dobby had delivered any.

..................

[richard e white]

Post by Jan van Aalderen

Post by Impmon
and in the book too. I think Harry simply forgot about Dobby in that
moment or simply thought owls (book 4) and fireplaces were easier.
/roll eyes. Beside Snape in book 5, Harry could have sent discreetly
Dobby to someone within the Order to check for Sirius rather than
trying to break in Umbridge's office. I don't know if Dobby can find
the house protected by secret keeper or not.

Harry couldn't use Dobby as messenger, since U. would have been able to
extract any msgs sent from Dobby once she, as head mistress, had a
suspicion Dobby had delivered any.
..................
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That is not so clear. The magic that binds the house elfs may not have
agreed with the minstery. Many spells at the school seam to ignore her
rule. The house elfs may only recunize only headmaster picked in the way
the schools rules said. witch was the goveners of hogwarts. I still
wounder if fudge got the govners to elect the toad if the head masters door
would open.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[richard e white]

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:30:44 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

My understanding was only the owner can free the elves. In book 2,
Harry had to get Malfoy to give the sock to Dobby for the freedom and
that implies if you don't own the elf, you can't set them free by
giving them your clothes. The founder have passed away long ago so
it's hard to tell who owns the Hogswart elves now.

I think in cases of places like hogwarts it is the leagle head of the school
or place. I think DD was the one picked by the hogwarts governers to run the
school so my guess is that it was DD.
At the minstery I not sure weather it would be fudge or if they have some one
to run the house elfs. Now that I think about it I think some one in
cleaning and mantanece would control the house elves there and fudge would be
at the top of the chain of command until he gets removed one way or the
other.

Post by Impmon

Post by Tim Bruening
What would a house elf do if he saw someone's clothes on the floor?

Pick them up and put them in the hampper. the old stories that JKR got the
house elfs from go over this bit. They have to be given. In book 5 the fake
mad eye had dobby get an old cloak and take it away to be cleaned. this is
when the fake mad eye had a conversation with another teacher where the hint
about the gilly weed was mentioned in frount of dobby.
But the stories are also full of accadental freeing of elves more or less
like Dobby. other then I don't remember some one helping to set up the
situwation but it still fits most of the foklore on the subject.

Post by Impmon
Assume they are dirty clothes left there to be cleaned, folded, and
put away. My understinding was that you have to *give* the clothes
for the freedom to count. Hermione was "giving" the clothes but other
clothes are just left around to be cleaned so it is not "giving" to
elves at all.

But it sure did insult them.

Post by Impmon

Post by Tim Bruening
I was amused by Dobby taking all the hats, and the other elves no longer
cleaning the Gryffindor tower because they feel insulted by the hats.

Me too. Looks like Hermione owes Harry a big one. If Harry hadn't
freed Dobby, no one would be cleaning the house at all.

I am not sure about that as HG got the whole start of info on house elves
from harry. It may have taken her a few more years to find out about them.
I wounder if it had had happend who would have wound up doing the job?
Filch?

Post by Impmon

Post by Tim Bruening
I was surprised that Harry Potter didn't ask Dobby to rely messages to
Sirius. After all, I saw Dobby disappear from the Hogwarts infirmary
with my own two eyes in the movie,

[snip]
and in the book too. I think Harry simply forgot about Dobby in that
moment or simply thought owls (book 4) and fireplaces were easier.
/roll eyes. Beside Snape in book 5, Harry could have sent discreetly
Dobby to someone within the Order to check for Sirius rather than
trying to break in Umbridge's office. I don't know if Dobby can find
the house protected by secret keeper or not.

I would bet against it. But Dobby should have been able to find mad eye,
Lupin or some one else. But Dobby may have been under magical servalaince.

Post by Impmon

Post by Tim Bruening
IMHO, Dumbledore should recruit the Hogwarts elves into his army, since
a house elf can knock a wizard backwards, Apperate, perform Hover
Charms, teleport food, and drag people off against their will.

That can still happen in either book 6 or 7. There's some fanfics on
this as well.

I don't think DD would do that unless they asked him if they could help. I
don't think he will ask them as they would join because they would think it
is there duty. So from DD's point of view I don't think that would be there
desistion.

Post by Impmon

Post by Tim Bruening
Dobby wanted freedom because Lucius treated him very badly. I assume
that the Hogwarts elves don't want freedom because they are treated
kindly. I suspect that other DE house elves are treated as badly as
Dobby was, so would desire freedom. I suggest that Hermione have Dobby
talk to the DE elves about freedom.

That sounds like a good way to get Dobby killed. I would guess that most of
the DE's have a spell on there house elfs to know what they are up to. then
again they may have been told to tell there masters who comes around. either
way I don't think Dobby would live long if he started to do that.

Post by Impmon
I would think so. Elves that are treated fairly like the Hogswart
would probably prefer to be slaves but other would want freedom. I
wonder if someone could set Hermione to DE's elves

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Tim Bruening]

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Hermione leaves hats all over Gryffindor Tower, apparently thinking that
the house elves will pick them up and thus be freed.

I don't know if that would work. On the one hand, Hermione is not the
Headmaster of Hogwarts, so I doubted that she would have the authority
to free house elves by giving the house elves clothes.

On the other hand, she is a resident of Hogwarts for over 9 months a
year, so might after all be able to free Hogwarts house elves.

What kinds of people have the authority to free house elves: Just the
home owners, or all residents of the household?

What would a house elf do if he saw someone's clothes on the floor?

I was amused by Dobby taking all the hats, and the other elves no longer
cleaning the Gryffindor tower because they feel insulted by the hats.

I was surprised that Harry Potter didn't ask Dobby to rely messages to
Sirius. After all, I saw Dobby disappear from the Hogwarts infirmary
with my own two eyes in the movie, and I assumed that he would be able
to get back to the Malfoy house in a very short period of time (else he
wouldn't risk leaving the Malfoy house for Hogwarts in the first place,
given his fear of Lucius discovering his absense), so I believe that
Dobby can Disapperate from Hogwarts in spite of the spells that prevent
humans from doing so. Therefore, Dobby could deliver messages between
Harry and Sirius with a minimum of delay.

IMHO, Dumbledore should recruit the Hogwarts elves into his army, since
a house elf can knock a wizard backwards, Apperate, perform Hover
Charms, teleport food, and drag people off against their will.

Dobby wanted freedom because Lucius treated him very badly. I assume
that the Hogwarts elves don't want freedom because they are treated
kindly. I suspect that other DE house elves are treated as badly as
Dobby was, so would desire freedom. I suggest that Hermione have Dobby
talk to the DE elves about freedom.

[Alex Clark]

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Hermione leaves hats all over Gryffindor Tower, apparently thinking that
the house elves will pick them up and thus be freed.
I don't know if that would work. On the one hand, Hermione is not the
Headmaster of Hogwarts, so I doubted that she would have the authority
to free house elves by giving the house elves clothes.
On the other hand, she is a resident of Hogwarts for over 9 months a
year, so might after all be able to free Hogwarts house elves.

In "The Centaur and the Sneak", Dobby apparently responds to orders
from Harry. I think that this is partly because he had some freedom to
choose his master, and partly because in that situation neither party
(Harry or Umbridge) was really the boss, who was Dumbledore.

. . .

Post by Tim Bruening
I was surprised that Harry Potter didn't ask Dobby to rely messages to
Sirius. After all, I saw Dobby disappear from the Hogwarts infirmary

A clever plan, though there are two reasons not to trust it. First,
nobody can get to Sirius unless Dumbledore has told them where to go,
and I doubt that Dobby is in on the secret. Second, the Headmaster's
office, and the portraits, still know that Dumbles is the Headmaster,
but do the house-elves know this? The office might have Dumbledore's
own spells on it to keep Umbridge out, or it might have spells that
were cast before the Ministry of Magic was started, and either way it
would certainly not recognize a Ministry-appointed Headmaster. But the
house-elves have no such reason to disown Umbridge. So Harry might ask
Dobby to take a message, and instead find that Dobby is compelled to
tell tales to Umbridge.

Post by Tim Bruening
with my own two eyes in the movie, and I assumed that he would be able
to get back to the Malfoy house in a very short period of time (else he
wouldn't risk leaving the Malfoy house for Hogwarts in the first place,
given his fear of Lucius discovering his absense), so I believe that
Dobby can Disapperate from Hogwarts in spite of the spells that prevent
humans from doing so. . . .

One day you will read _Hogwarts, a History_, and maybe that will remind
you that you can't Apparate or Disapparate at Hogwarts. :-) Apparation
is a spell used by wizards, who are human. House-elves have some other
way of getting around, and they apparently don't use that spell.

Post by Tim Bruening
Dobby wanted freedom because Lucius treated him very badly. I assume
that the Hogwarts elves don't want freedom because they are treated
kindly. I suspect that other DE house elves are treated as badly as
Dobby was, so would desire freedom. I suggest that Hermione have Dobby
talk to the DE elves about freedom.

Good idea. Possibly better idea: take a leaf from Harry's book, and
have Dobby lurk in those houses to trick the Death Eaters into
accidentally giving clothes.