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How do muggle parents with magical children explain...?
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mrcreosote
2007-08-06 17:27:57 UTC
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This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.

All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.

How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Sue H
2007-08-06 17:30:58 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Remember the Dursley's? They explained Harry's off to some reform
school for deviates.... Hermoine's probably just said she's off to
boarding school where she can get a better education.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 00:45:56 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Remember the Dursley's? They explained Harry's off to some reform
school for deviates.... Hermoine's probably just said she's off to
boarding school where she can get a better education.
As I understand it is, it really isn't that unusual for children in the
UK to go to a boarding school. Not too many do that in the US, but I
did have a classmate who got shipped off to military school every
summer, and he hated it.
Bert
2007-08-07 23:47:49 UTC
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Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Remember the Dursley's? They explained Harry's off to some reform
school for deviates.... Hermoine's probably just said she's off to
boarding school where she can get a better education.
As I understand it is, it really isn't that unusual for children in the
UK to go to a boarding school. Not too many do that in the US, but I
did have a classmate who got shipped off to military school every
summer, and he hated it.
It isn't at all usual to go to boarding school but if someone said that
is where they were off to you would not question it as it is entirely
plausible.
Sirius Kase
2007-08-10 17:23:45 UTC
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Post by Bert
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Remember the Dursley's? They explained Harry's off to some reform
school for deviates.... Hermoine's probably just said she's off to
boarding school where she can get a better education.
As I understand it is, it really isn't that unusual for children in the
UK to go to a boarding school. Not too many do that in the US, but I
did have a classmate who got shipped off to military school every
summer, and he hated it.
It isn't at all usual to go to boarding school but if someone said that
is where they were off to you would not question it as it is entirely
plausible.
But, just as a matter of polite conversation, you might inquire as to
what sort of boarding school it was, that is, unless you suspected it
was a reform school or some other special school that they might not
want to discuss. There are schools for all sorts of situations:
artists, dancers, musicians, academically gifted but not the Public
School sort, handicapped kids, juuvenlie delinquents, trade schools,
religous schools, etc.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-10 19:11:11 UTC
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Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Bert
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Remember the Dursley's? They explained Harry's off to some reform
school for deviates.... Hermoine's probably just said she's off to
boarding school where she can get a better education.
As I understand it is, it really isn't that unusual for children in the
UK to go to a boarding school. Not too many do that in the US, but I
did have a classmate who got shipped off to military school every
summer, and he hated it.
It isn't at all usual to go to boarding school but if someone said that
is where they were off to you would not question it as it is entirely
plausible.
But, just as a matter of polite conversation, you might inquire as to
what sort of boarding school it was, that is, unless you suspected it
was a reform school or some other special school that they might not
artists, dancers, musicians, academically gifted but not the Public
School sort, handicapped kids, juuvenlie delinquents, trade schools,
religous schools, etc.
Just tell them it is a school for people with special talents, and the
government won't let you tell them any more....
Timothy Bruening
2016-08-12 23:30:39 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Remember the Dursley's? They explained Harry's off to some reform
school for deviates.... Hermoine's probably just said she's off to
boarding school where she can get a better education.
Vernon has told Aunt Marge that Harry goes to St Brutus' Center for Incurably Criminal Boys. Shouldn't Aunt Marge be asking how it is that an incurably criminal boy is allowed to spend summers at home? Shouldn't such a boy be locked up all the time?
Sirius Kase
2007-08-06 17:35:30 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
mrcreosote
2007-08-06 17:39:10 UTC
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Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it�s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?

And to relatives and her old friends, she can�t explain what school,
she can�t show any of her books or homework, they can�t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn�t they become suspicious?
Sue H
2007-08-06 17:45:04 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.

The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
mrcreosote
2007-08-06 17:52:13 UTC
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Post by Sue H
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Well they DO these days, you know! Big brother is watching you and all
that!
Post by Sue H
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
All kids have annual doctors- and dentists- appointments, don�t they?

Don�t you think it would look suspicious if YOU all of a sudden
dissapeared to "another world" and your parents had to lie and cover
up for you a lot?
Sue H
2007-08-06 17:56:55 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:52:13 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
Post by Sue H
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Well they DO these days, you know! Big brother is watching you and all
that!
Post by Sue H
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
All kids have annual doctors- and dentists- appointments, don´t they?
Don´t you think it would look suspicious if YOU all of a sudden
dissapeared to "another world" and your parents had to lie and cover
up for you a lot?
Maybe Hermoine was allowed to confudle all her relatives into
believing a certain scenario; or perhaps that her parents were
childless.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 00:47:53 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
I believe that mail could be easily handled by a simple mail drop in one
of the mixed wizard/muggle communities, with a mailbox for the school,
and a wizard who collects the mail, and owls it to the school. No real
problem.
Sirius Kase
2007-08-07 03:58:56 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it�s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can�t explain what school,
she can�t show any of her books or homework, they can�t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn�t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
Sue H
2007-08-07 14:43:06 UTC
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Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to

Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code

It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.

sure, you can say, "send them all to my mum and she'll mail them" but
cookies do have an expiration date.... and so I can see the Grandma,
saying to the mother, "I'd really like to do it myself" and the mother
"oh no, really I'll do it" and the granny "why won't you give me the
address and why can't I do it myself" and the mother having to come up
with some odd excuse which would make NO sense. clearly, there'd be
at least one busybody granny who'd stop at nothing to find out why
.... but as I said before, that's where the confundus charm comes in.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 17:33:15 UTC
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Post by Sue H
Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
sure, you can say, "send them all to my mum and she'll mail them" but
cookies do have an expiration date.... and so I can see the Grandma,
saying to the mother, "I'd really like to do it myself" and the mother
"oh no, really I'll do it" and the granny "why won't you give me the
address and why can't I do it myself" and the mother having to come up
with some odd excuse which would make NO sense. clearly, there'd be
at least one busybody granny who'd stop at nothing to find out why
.... but as I said before, that's where the confundus charm comes in.
So they just have it sent to

Hermione Granger
C/O St. Mary's School for Gifted Children
1400 Hogwarts Court
Glascow, Scotland, UK.

That's a 'mail drop' run by a wizarding family who just takes the
package and owls it to the school each night.
What's hard about that?
Sue H
2007-08-07 18:31:55 UTC
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Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
sure, you can say, "send them all to my mum and she'll mail them" but
cookies do have an expiration date.... and so I can see the Grandma,
saying to the mother, "I'd really like to do it myself" and the mother
"oh no, really I'll do it" and the granny "why won't you give me the
address and why can't I do it myself" and the mother having to come up
with some odd excuse which would make NO sense. clearly, there'd be
at least one busybody granny who'd stop at nothing to find out why
.... but as I said before, that's where the confundus charm comes in.
So they just have it sent to
Hermione Granger
C/O St. Mary's School for Gifted Children
1400 Hogwarts Court
Glascow, Scotland, UK.
That's a 'mail drop' run by a wizarding family who just takes the
package and owls it to the school each night.
What's hard about that?
Oh it's not so hard until Granny decides to do a mapquest on it and
pay an unannounced visit!
Ron Hunter
2007-08-08 07:46:16 UTC
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Post by Sue H
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
sure, you can say, "send them all to my mum and she'll mail them" but
cookies do have an expiration date.... and so I can see the Grandma,
saying to the mother, "I'd really like to do it myself" and the mother
"oh no, really I'll do it" and the granny "why won't you give me the
address and why can't I do it myself" and the mother having to come up
with some odd excuse which would make NO sense. clearly, there'd be
at least one busybody granny who'd stop at nothing to find out why
.... but as I said before, that's where the confundus charm comes in.
So they just have it sent to
Hermione Granger
C/O St. Mary's School for Gifted Children
1400 Hogwarts Court
Glascow, Scotland, UK.
That's a 'mail drop' run by a wizarding family who just takes the
package and owls it to the school each night.
What's hard about that?
Oh it's not so hard until Granny decides to do a mapquest on it and
pay an unannounced visit!
And when she gets close, she suddenly gets this unbearable urge to
return to Glascow, and shop for antiques...
Muggle repelling charms, you know.
Sue H
2007-08-10 17:14:52 UTC
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Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
sure, you can say, "send them all to my mum and she'll mail them" but
cookies do have an expiration date.... and so I can see the Grandma,
saying to the mother, "I'd really like to do it myself" and the mother
"oh no, really I'll do it" and the granny "why won't you give me the
address and why can't I do it myself" and the mother having to come up
with some odd excuse which would make NO sense. clearly, there'd be
at least one busybody granny who'd stop at nothing to find out why
.... but as I said before, that's where the confundus charm comes in.
So they just have it sent to
Hermione Granger
C/O St. Mary's School for Gifted Children
1400 Hogwarts Court
Glascow, Scotland, UK.
That's a 'mail drop' run by a wizarding family who just takes the
package and owls it to the school each night.
What's hard about that?
What's so hard is the nosy relative/friend/neighbor who wants to drop
in unexpectedly on Hermoine!
Ron Hunter
2007-08-10 19:10:04 UTC
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Post by Sue H
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
Post by Sirius Kase
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Well, why do the authorites need to know everyone's every move?
Unless they've been involved in something in which they'd need to
question Hermoine, I don't see anyone ever caring where she is.
There are zillions of boarding schools. She just goes to one that the
relatives have never heard of so all information about it is provided
to them by Hermione and her parents who don't need to be so specific
about the curiculum, just that it's in a lovely out of the way rural
location and she has lots of new friends there. Heremione, in
particular, probably does not have a lot of muggle friends trying to
keep up with her life. She tended to repel potential friends when we
first met her.
Post by Sue H
The mail part is the only suspicious thing I think. My relatives never
asked to see my schoolwork or books. As for writing, I guess the
parents could say anthing like "send me all your mail for her as I
like to put together nice packages for her with all sorts of stuff to
make her day". But that would be a little suspicious.
The mail could be forwarded. I don't see any reason why only kids
from wizard families should get mail. Besides, the Dursleys did
manage to send Harry a few Christmas gifts and just enough mail to
make him want to stay at Hogwarts year round.
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
sure, you can say, "send them all to my mum and she'll mail them" but
cookies do have an expiration date.... and so I can see the Grandma,
saying to the mother, "I'd really like to do it myself" and the mother
"oh no, really I'll do it" and the granny "why won't you give me the
address and why can't I do it myself" and the mother having to come up
with some odd excuse which would make NO sense. clearly, there'd be
at least one busybody granny who'd stop at nothing to find out why
.... but as I said before, that's where the confundus charm comes in.
So they just have it sent to
Hermione Granger
C/O St. Mary's School for Gifted Children
1400 Hogwarts Court
Glascow, Scotland, UK.
That's a 'mail drop' run by a wizarding family who just takes the
package and owls it to the school each night.
What's hard about that?
What's so hard is the nosy relative/friend/neighbor who wants to drop
in unexpectedly on Hermoine!
Not a problem, given that when a muggle gets a few miles from Hogwarts,
they get this overpowering urge to return to Glascow and shop some more.
Welsh Dog
2007-08-07 22:38:06 UTC
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Post by Sue H
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
<snip>
Post by Sue H
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
We know mail from muggles *does* get there because Petunia wrote
directly to Dumbledore asking if she could go to school with her
sister.

Welshdog
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Sue H
2007-08-07 23:21:27 UTC
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Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Sue H
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
<snip>
Post by Sue H
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
directly to Dumbledore asking if she could go to school with her
sister.
Welshdog
But how was the question ... and the original post was dealing with
address (where it is) etc and if suspicions would arise. It was never
in question that they got the mail; at least I don't think it ever
was.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-08 07:58:04 UTC
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Post by Sue H
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Sue H
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
<snip>
Post by Sue H
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
directly to Dumbledore asking if she could go to school with her
sister.
Welshdog
But how was the question ... and the original post was dealing with
address (where it is) etc and if suspicions would arise. It was never
in question that they got the mail; at least I don't think it ever
was.
Many remote facilities, such as drug treatment centers, have addresses
in a nearby city, and mail doesn't come to the actual center, but to a
post office box in town (which might be 20 miles away). I see no
problem with this setup for Hogwarts.
o***@earthlink.net
2007-08-08 01:36:58 UTC
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Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Sue H
Post by Sue H
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
<snip>
Post by Sue H
I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
you aren't going to address your parcels to
Hogwarts
Unknown street address
Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
Unknown Country and postal code
It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
We've discussed this before. The most likely answer is that the MoM
maintains a post office box for muggle parents to send all
correspondence to their children while away at school, and then it's
forwarded via Owl Post.
Post by Brian Wakeling
directly to Dumbledore asking if she could go to school with her
sister.
I would love to see the reply. >:)

Oh, was Dumbledore Head Master when James and Lily were enrolled, or
still an instructor? I really don't recall.
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2007-08-31 19:39:04 UTC
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***@earthlink.net wrote:
: On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:38:06 +1000, Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com>
: wrote:
:
:>On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:43:06 -0400, Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>>On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 03:58:56 -0000, Sirius Kase <***@gmail.com>
:>>wrote:
:>>>On Aug 6, 1:45 pm, Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>>>> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
:>>>> <***@yahoo.se> wrote:
:>
:><snip>
:>
:>>I guess the original poster was referring to suspicious people. Ie
:>>you aren't going to address your parcels to
:>
:>>Hogwarts
:>>Unknown street address
:>>Unknown County (or City/State/burrough etc)
:>>Unknown Country and postal code
:>
:>>It would be a bit odd if your cousin, aunt, Grandmother etc didn't
:>>know where you were because they didn't know about the magic and
:>>wanted to personally mail you a box of cookies or something.
:
: We've discussed this before. The most likely answer is that the MoM
: maintains a post office box for muggle parents to send all
: correspondence to their children while away at school, and then it's
: forwarded via Owl Post.
:
:>We know mail from muggles *does* get there because Petunia wrote
:>directly to Dumbledore asking if she could go to school with her
:>sister.
:
: I would love to see the reply. >:)
:
: Oh, was Dumbledore Head Master when James and Lily were enrolled,
: or still an instructor? I really don't recall.

It was because Dumbledore had become Head that Lupin was able to
attend despite becoming a werewolf...so it HAD to be before he,
James,and Lily entered in 1971.

From PRINCE the implication is that Dumbledore actually was head
by 1956 (imputed from Riddle's job application) which renders
Lupin's remark that Dumbledore taking the job improved his chance
of getting into Hogwarts problematic,since Lupin was born in 1959
or 1960.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Bert
2007-08-06 17:52:22 UTC
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Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it=3Fs not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can=3Ft explain what school,
she can=3Ft show any of her books or homework, they can=3Ft reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn=3Ft they become suspicious?
I'm sure with all that magic and stuff, the wizard world can fool the
muggle world into being perfectly happy with the situation. :-)
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 00:49:56 UTC
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Post by Bert
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it=3Fs not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
And to relatives and her old friends, she can=3Ft explain what school,
she can=3Ft show any of her books or homework, they can=3Ft reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn=3Ft they become suspicious?
I'm sure with all that magic and stuff, the wizard world can fool the
muggle world into being perfectly happy with the situation. :-)
Several fanfiction stories handle the situation by telling the students
if someone asks, they are to say they go to this exclusive boarding
school, and should they inquire, the get back a nice letter telling them
that enrollment is limited, and there are no openings for the next 20
years or so. I really see little problem with all this.
Fat Sam
2007-08-06 21:18:08 UTC
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Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that itŽs not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
Welsh Dog
2007-08-07 01:26:41 UTC
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.

Welshdog
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Drusilla
2007-08-07 05:49:58 UTC
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Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
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Welsh Dog
2007-08-07 06:54:12 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
'alone'.

Welshdog
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Fat Sam
2007-08-07 08:55:30 UTC
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Post by Welsh Dog
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that itŽs not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle
government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
'alone'.
Welshdog
It's enough that they have a connection, and maybe as you say, one or two
people infiltrated amidst their ranks.
In fact, those infiltrators are probably there specifically to smooth over
situations exactly like the one the OP has just highlighted.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 09:17:42 UTC
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Post by Welsh Dog
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
'alone'.
Welshdog
In modern terms, they are 'interfacing' with the muggle government. I
suspect that would be a major part of the MoM. Note that Arthur
Weasley's job interfaces with muggles on a daily basis.
Welsh Dog
2007-08-07 10:00:12 UTC
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Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
'alone'.
In modern terms, they are 'interfacing' with the muggle government. I
suspect that would be a major part of the MoM. Note that Arthur
Weasley's job interfaces with muggles on a daily basis.
The largest part of their job would surely be to prevent anyone
knowing there are wizards *at all* so it's unlikely in the extreme
that anyone other than the muggle prime minister would know wizards
exist!

There may well be wizards 'in the government' but the government
itself wouldn't know who they are so they are hardly 'interfacing'.
More standing behind a one way mirror!

Welshdog
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Dragon Rider
2007-08-07 12:33:30 UTC
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Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by mrcreosote
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it�s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
'alone'.
In modern terms, they are 'interfacing' with the muggle government. I
suspect that would be a major part of the MoM. Note that Arthur
Weasley's job interfaces with muggles on a daily basis.
The largest part of their job would surely be to prevent anyone
knowing there are wizards *at all* so it's unlikely in the extreme
that anyone other than the muggle prime minister would know wizards
exist!
There may well be wizards 'in the government' but the government
itself wouldn't know who they are so they are hardly 'interfacing'.
More standing behind a one way mirror!
Like Kingsley Shacklebolt protecting the muggle Prime Minister at the
beginning of HBP; he was there for quite some time before Scrimgeour
disclosed his identity.
Welsh Dog
2007-08-07 22:35:49 UTC
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Post by Dragon Rider
Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
'alone'.
In modern terms, they are 'interfacing' with the muggle government. I
suspect that would be a major part of the MoM. Note that Arthur
Weasley's job interfaces with muggles on a daily basis.
The largest part of their job would surely be to prevent anyone
knowing there are wizards *at all* so it's unlikely in the extreme
that anyone other than the muggle prime minister would know wizards
exist!
There may well be wizards 'in the government' but the government
itself wouldn't know who they are so they are hardly 'interfacing'.
More standing behind a one way mirror!
Like Kingsley Shacklebolt protecting the muggle Prime Minister at the
beginning of HBP; he was there for quite some time before Scrimgeour
disclosed his identity.
Also Ron's Aunt Muriel explained that in her day squibs were
encouraged to attend muggle schools and integrate with the muggle
community... so maybe there would be a role there for them to keep an
ear out for rumours etc and let the MoM know if anyone was noticing
suspicious activity that might need obliviating.

Welshdog
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2007-08-31 19:51:21 UTC
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Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:33:30 -0000, Dragon Rider <***@gmail.com>
: wrote:
:
:>On 7 ago, 07:00, Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:17:42 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
:>> wrote:
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>> >Welsh Dog wrote:
:>> >> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:58 -0500, Drusilla
:>> >> <gammanormids****@gmail.com> wrote:
:>> >>> Welsh Dog escribi?:
:>> >>>> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
:>> >>>> <***@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
:>> >>>>> mrcreosote wrote:
:>> >>>>>>> The truth works - she attends boarding school.
:>> >>>>>> But the authorities should know that it?s not true?
:>> >>>>> That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
:>> >>>> It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
:>> >>>> Minister of the day.
:>> >>> The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
:>> >>> intervene but to be alert just in case.
:>> >> I've no doubt they'd be in bureaucracy somewhere working... but they
:>> >> aren't 'working alongside the government" really. They'd be working
:>> >> 'alone'.
:>> >In modern terms, they are 'interfacing' with the muggle government. I
:>> >suspect that would be a major part of the MoM. Note that Arthur
:>> >Weasley's job interfaces with muggles on a daily basis.
:>>
:>> The largest part of their job would surely be to prevent anyone
:>> knowing there are wizards *at all* so it's unlikely in the extreme
:>> that anyone other than the muggle prime minister would know wizards
:>> exist!
:>>
:>> There may well be wizards 'in the government' but the government
:>> itself wouldn't know who they are so they are hardly 'interfacing'.
:>> More standing behind a one way mirror!
:>
:>Like Kingsley Shacklebolt protecting the muggle Prime Minister at the
:>beginning of HBP; he was there for quite some time before Scrimgeour
:>disclosed his identity.
:
: Also Ron's Aunt Muriel explained that in her day squibs were
: encouraged to attend muggle schools and integrate with the muggle
: community... so maybe there would be a role there for them to keep an
: ear out for rumours etc and let the MoM know if anyone was noticing
: suspicious activity that might need obliviating.

I wonder what happens when a Squib has a wizard child...
secrecy gets ever more complex generation to generation!

: Welshdog

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 09:16:04 UTC
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Post by Drusilla
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
The MoM surely has some people in the Muggle government, not to
intervene but to be alert just in case.
If for no other reason, than to watch for leaks.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 09:12:04 UTC
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Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
Welshdog
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Welsh Dog
2007-08-07 09:57:33 UTC
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Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??

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Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 17:27:08 UTC
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Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world, such as
Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who obliviate
muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to see, and then there
are those who interface with muggles to provide wizard access to things
like food, and manufactured products. You think the Weasleys grow their
own meat, make all their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of
commerce between the worlds.
Sue H
2007-08-07 18:30:22 UTC
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Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world, such as
Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who obliviate
muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to see, and then there
are those who interface with muggles to provide wizard access to things
like food, and manufactured products. You think the Weasleys grow their
own meat, make all their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of
commerce between the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-08 07:49:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sue H
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world, such as
Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who obliviate
muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to see, and then there
are those who interface with muggles to provide wizard access to things
like food, and manufactured products. You think the Weasleys grow their
own meat, make all their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of
commerce between the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard population, so
it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery stores, or wizard
furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One wonders how people like
the Malfoys manage.
Nuki Mouse
2007-08-08 16:55:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that itŽs not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards
in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the
worlds. Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license
would be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world, such as
Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who obliviate
muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to see, and then there
are those who interface with muggles to provide wizard access to things
like food, and manufactured products. You think the Weasleys grow their
own meat, make all their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of
commerce between the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard population, so
it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery stores, or wizard
furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One wonders how people like the
Malfoys manage.
With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you need? What
difference would it make if the store was in your small town or two counties
away?

Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow was in
Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in London, but not
necessarily near Diagonal Alley.

Nuki Mouse
--
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"Defend free speech! Read a banned book today!" unknown.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
Brian Wakeling
2007-08-08 18:52:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:04 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that itŽs not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely
wizards in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface
between the worlds. Else, getting something like a passport, or
a driver's license would be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards
require so much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world,
such as Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who
obliviate muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to
see, and then there are those who interface with muggles to
provide wizard access to things like food, and manufactured
products. You think the Weasleys grow their own meat, make all
their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of commerce between
the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed
commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard
population, so it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery
stores, or wizard furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One
wonders how people like the Malfoys manage.
With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you
need?
What difference would it make if the store was in your small town or
two counties away?
Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow
was in Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in
London, but not necessarily near Diagonal Alley.
It's been worked out that Grimmauld Place is somewhere near Camden,
just north of central London. Diagon Alley is maybe a 20 minute walk
away down the Charing Cross road from the vicinity of King's Cross.
--
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www.sabremeister.me.uk/index.html
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Ron Hunter
2007-08-08 19:28:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:04 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely
wizards in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface
between the worlds. Else, getting something like a passport, or
a driver's license would be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards
require so much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world,
such as Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who
obliviate muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to
see, and then there are those who interface with muggles to
provide wizard access to things like food, and manufactured
products. You think the Weasleys grow their own meat, make all
their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of commerce between
the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed
commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard
population, so it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery
stores, or wizard furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One
wonders how people like the Malfoys manage.
With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you
need?
What difference would it make if the store was in your small town or
two counties away?
Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow
was in Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in
London, but not necessarily near Diagonal Alley.
It's been worked out that Grimmauld Place is somewhere near Camden,
just north of central London. Diagon Alley is maybe a 20 minute walk
away down the Charing Cross road from the vicinity of King's Cross.
If you search for it on Google Earth, it shows two blocks from King's
Cross station. Neat, huh?
But I can't seem to locate Hogwarts...
Ron Hunter
2007-08-08 19:26:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Sue H
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards
in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the
worlds. Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license
would be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world, such as
Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who obliviate
muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to see, and then there
are those who interface with muggles to provide wizard access to things
like food, and manufactured products. You think the Weasleys grow their
own meat, make all their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of
commerce between the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard population, so
it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery stores, or wizard
furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One wonders how people like the
Malfoys manage.
With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you need? What
difference would it make if the store was in your small town or two counties
away?
Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow was in
Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in London, but not
necessarily near Diagonal Alley.
Nuki Mouse
Careful, if you say it like you spelled it, you will go to Knockkturn
Alley. Grin.

I don't recall a mention of a grocery store, or 'farmer's market' in
Diagon Alley...
But I do believe Ginny is sent into O. St. Catchpole for groceries.
Brian Wakeling
2007-08-08 20:12:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:04 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that itŽs not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the
Prime Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely
wizards in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working
interface
between the worlds. Else, getting something like a passport,
or
a driver's license would be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards
require so much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world,
such as Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who
obliviate muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to
see, and then there are those who interface with muggles to
provide wizard access to things like food, and manufactured
products. You think the Weasleys grow their own meat, make all
their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of commerce between
the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed
commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they
could forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products
would probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the
help
of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard
population, so it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery
stores, or wizard furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One
wonders how people like the Malfoys manage.
With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you
need? What difference would it make if the store was in your small
town or two counties away?
Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow
was in Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in
London, but not necessarily near Diagonal Alley.
Nuki Mouse
Careful, if you say it like you spelled it, you will go to
Knockkturn
Alley. Grin.
I don't recall a mention of a grocery store, or 'farmer's market' in
Diagon Alley...
But I do believe Ginny is sent into O. St. Catchpole for groceries.
The last time Harry went to Diagon Alley was when he was 15, and that
was a carefully escorted trip to buy new robes and visit the twins'
shop. The other trips were with friends he hadn't seen in a while, or
in a situation where he had nothing else to worry about. How many
teenagers in those circumstances would take notice of a greengrocers'
or supermarket, when they have the delights of an ice-cream parlour or
joke shop to explore? So there could well be food shops in Diagon
Alley, it's just that they're mundane enough to not warrant mentioning
if they are there.
--
Brian Wakeling
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www.sabremeister.me.uk/index.html
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Ron Hunter
2007-08-09 08:23:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:04 -0500, Ron Hunter
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Welsh Dog
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
Post by Fat Sam
Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that it´s not true?
That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the
Prime Minister of the day.
But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely
wizards in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working
interface
between the worlds. Else, getting something like a passport,
or
a driver's license would be very difficult.
Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards
require so much 'government'.
Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
passport??
Welshdog
Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world,
such as Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who
obliviate muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to
see, and then there are those who interface with muggles to
provide wizard access to things like food, and manufactured
products. You think the Weasleys grow their own meat, make all
their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of commerce between
the worlds.
It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed
commerce
because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they
could forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products
would probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the
help
of magic.
Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard
population, so it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery
stores, or wizard furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One
wonders how people like the Malfoys manage.
With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you
need? What difference would it make if the store was in your small
town or two counties away?
Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow
was in Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in
London, but not necessarily near Diagonal Alley.
Nuki Mouse
Careful, if you say it like you spelled it, you will go to
Knockkturn
Alley. Grin.
I don't recall a mention of a grocery store, or 'farmer's market' in
Diagon Alley...
But I do believe Ginny is sent into O. St. Catchpole for groceries.
The last time Harry went to Diagon Alley was when he was 15, and that
was a carefully escorted trip to buy new robes and visit the twins'
shop. The other trips were with friends he hadn't seen in a while, or
in a situation where he had nothing else to worry about. How many
teenagers in those circumstances would take notice of a greengrocers'
or supermarket, when they have the delights of an ice-cream parlour or
joke shop to explore? So there could well be food shops in Diagon
Alley, it's just that they're mundane enough to not warrant mentioning
if they are there.
My point is that just because something isn't mentioned, it doesn't mean
it is, or isn't, there. And if security is a concern, then shopping for
meat at a muggle grocery store is probably vastly safer. Buying flowers
at a local muggle florist is also safer because the plants won't attack!
Grin.
Louis Epstein
2007-08-31 20:10:42 UTC
Permalink
Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: Brian Wakeling wrote:
:> In a speech called 3q-***@giganews.com,
:> Ron Hunter (***@charter.net) spake thusly:
:>
:>> Nuki Mouse wrote:
:>>> "Ron Hunter" <***@charter.net> wrote in message
:>>> news:***@giganews.com...
:>>>> Sue H wrote:
:>>>>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0500, Ron Hunter
:>>>>> <***@charter.net> wrote:
:>>>>>
:>>>>>> Welsh Dog wrote:
:>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:04 -0500, Ron Hunter
:>>>>>>> <***@charter.net> wrote:
:>>>>>>>> Welsh Dog wrote:
:>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
:>>>>>>>>> <***@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
:>>>>>>>>>> mrcreosote wrote:
:>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth works - she attends boarding school.
:>>>>>>>>>>> But the authorities should know that it?s not true?
:>>>>>>>>>> That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle
:>>>>>>>>>> government.
:>>>>>>>>> It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the
:>>>>>>>>> Prime Minister of the day.
:>>>>>>>> But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely
:>>>>>>>> wizards in may muggle jobs, just to provide a working
:>>>>>>>> interface
:>>>>>>>> between the worlds. Else, getting something like a passport,
:>>>>>>>> or
:>>>>>>>> a driver's license would be very difficult.
:>>>>>>>> Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards
:>>>>>>>> require so much 'government'.
:>>>>>>> Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or
:>>>>>>> a
:>>>>>>> passport??
:>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>> Welshdog
:>>>>>> Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world,
:>>>>>> such as Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who
:>>>>>> obliviate muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to
:>>>>>> see, and then there are those who interface with muggles to
:>>>>>> provide wizard access to things like food, and manufactured
:>>>>>> products. You think the Weasleys grow their own meat, make all
:>>>>>> their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of commerce between
:>>>>>> the worlds.
:>>>>> It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed
:>>>>> commerce
:>>>>> because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
:>>>>> population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
:>>>>> things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
:>>>>> accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food
:>>>>> the
:>>>>> old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they
:>>>>> could forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products
:>>>>> would probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the
:>>>>> help
:>>>>> of magic.
:>>>> Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard
:>>>> population, so it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery
:>>>> stores, or wizard furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One
:>>>> wonders how people like the Malfoys manage.
:>>> With the near instantaneously travel methods like the Floo Network,
:>>> portkeys, aparation, etcetera... how many wizard stores do you
:>>> need? What difference would it make if the store was in your small
:>>> town or two counties away?
:>>>
:>>> Look at the times Molly went to Diagonal Alley to shop. The Burrow
:>>> was in Devon not central London. 12 Grimm Place may have been in
:>>> London, but not necessarily near Diagonal Alley.
:>>>
:>>> Nuki Mouse
:>> Careful, if you say it like you spelled it, you will go to
:>> Knockkturn
:>> Alley. Grin.
:>>
:>> I don't recall a mention of a grocery store, or 'farmer's market' in
:>> Diagon Alley...
:>> But I do believe Ginny is sent into O. St. Catchpole for groceries.
:>
:>
:> The last time Harry went to Diagon Alley was when he was 15, and that
:> was a carefully escorted trip to buy new robes and visit the twins'
:> shop. The other trips were with friends he hadn't seen in a while, or
:> in a situation where he had nothing else to worry about. How many
:> teenagers in those circumstances would take notice of a greengrocers'
:> or supermarket, when they have the delights of an ice-cream parlour or
:> joke shop to explore? So there could well be food shops in Diagon
:> Alley, it's just that they're mundane enough to not warrant mentioning
:> if they are there.
:>
: My point is that just because something isn't mentioned, it doesn't mean
: it is, or isn't, there. And if security is a concern, then shopping for
: meat at a muggle grocery store is probably vastly safer. Buying flowers
: at a local muggle florist is also safer because the plants won't attack!
: Grin.

Secrecy from Muggles is a concern and minimizing contact the
easiest way to avoid risks.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Richard Eney
2007-09-01 02:11:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Louis Epstein
:> The last time Harry went to Diagon Alley was when he was 15, and that
:> was a carefully escorted trip to buy new robes and visit the twins'
:> shop. The other trips were with friends he hadn't seen in a while, or
:> in a situation where he had nothing else to worry about. How many
:> teenagers in those circumstances would take notice of a greengrocers'
:> or supermarket, when they have the delights of an ice-cream parlour or
:> joke shop to explore? So there could well be food shops in Diagon
:> Alley, it's just that they're mundane enough to not warrant mentioning
:> if they are there.
: My point is that just because something isn't mentioned, it doesn't mean
: it is, or isn't, there. And if security is a concern, then shopping for
: meat at a muggle grocery store is probably vastly safer. Buying flowers
: at a local muggle florist is also safer because the plants won't attack!
: Grin.
Secrecy from Muggles is a concern and minimizing contact the
easiest way to avoid risks.
Or you could use the opposite tactic: flood the streets with people who
are slightly odd until everybody just takes it for granted. This can
be done by starting up multiple teenage clothing fads, and also by doing
things that encourage apparent eccentricity in the muggle population, such
as publicity stunts, advertising gimmicks, and even reality tv shows.

If enough Muggles are seen to be wearing odd clothing and doing strange
things, pretty soon almost any odd behavior will be ignored.

=Tamar
Toon
2007-09-01 10:19:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Richard Eney
Or you could use the opposite tactic: flood the streets with people who
are slightly odd until everybody just takes it for granted.
Welcome to L.A.
Post by Richard Eney
This can
be done by starting up multiple teenage clothing fads, and also by doing
things that encourage apparent eccentricity in the muggle population, such
as publicity stunts, advertising gimmicks, and even reality tv shows.
Nobody minds the costumes at conventions and movie premieres. or
restaurants in NY, judging by David Letterman's game of putting
costumed people in a restaurant, that nobody notices, or cares if they
do.
Louis Epstein
2007-08-31 20:02:04 UTC
Permalink
Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: Sue H wrote:
:> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:27:08 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
:> wrote:
:>
:>> Welsh Dog wrote:
:>>> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:12:04 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
:>>> wrote:
:>>>> Welsh Dog wrote:
:>>>>> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
:>>>>> <***@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
:>>>>>> mrcreosote wrote:
:>>>
:>>>>>>>> The truth works - she attends boarding school.
:>>>
:>>>>>>> But the authorities should know that it?s not true?
:>>>
:>>>>>> That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
:>>>
:>>>>> It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
:>>>>> Minister of the day.
:>>>> But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
:>>>> may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
:>>>> Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
:>>>> be very difficult.
:>>>> Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
:>>>> much 'government'.
:>>> Most wizards probably wouldn't need a muggle driving licence or a
:>>> passport??
:>>>
:>>> Welshdog
:>> Nonsense. Many wizards would need to work in the muggle world, such as
:>> Arthur Weasley. Then there is the group of wizards who obliviate
:>> muggles who have seen things they aren't supposed to see, and then there
:>> are those who interface with muggles to provide wizard access to things
:>> like food, and manufactured products. You think the Weasleys grow their
:>> own meat, make all their own cloth? There is necessarily a lot of
:>> commerce between the worlds.
:>
:> It was never shown, but I'd have to agree with some needed commerce
:> because of the simple fact that we know there's a limited Wizard
:> population. Though they can make things for themselves, certain
:> things would probably take an entire manufacturing plant to
:> accomplish. For example, there are times when molly makes food the
:> old fashioned way on a stove and all. Though technically they could
:> forge their own stoves, doing this for all their products would
:> probably consume all their waking lives. Even with the help of magic.
:>
: Also, they live in a small town, with a very small wizard population, so
: it is inconceivable that they have wizard grocery stores, or wizard
: furniture stores, or wizard fabric shops. One wonders how people like
: the Malfoys manage.

I gather that food can be "expanded"...buy a little and turn it into a
lot...and remember that everyone can Apparate to Diagon Alley to buy
stuff!

And we really don't know the limits of Transfiguration.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Toon
2007-09-01 10:17:28 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
And we really don't know the limits of Transfiguration.
Just 5 rules against, food being one of them.
Louis Epstein
2007-09-01 20:33:03 UTC
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Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:02:04 -0500, Louis Epstein <***@main.put.com>
: wrote:
:
:>And we really don't know the limits of Transfiguration.
:
: Just 5 rules against, food being one of them.

With certain exceptions,such as turning less food into more...
and what are the other four items???

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2007-08-31 19:53:01 UTC
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Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: Welsh Dog wrote:
:> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:18:08 +0100, "Fat Sam"
:> <***@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
:>> mrcreosote wrote:
:>
:>>>> The truth works - she attends boarding school.
:>
:>>> But the authorities should know that it?s not true?
:>
:>> That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
:>
:> It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
:> Minister of the day.
:>
:> Welshdog
:
: But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
: may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
: Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
: be very difficult.
: Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
: much 'government'.

The more wizards-in-muggle-jobs there are the less credible
Arthur Weasley's ignorance (while being considered expert) is!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Richard Eney
2007-09-01 02:14:15 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
:>
:>> That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
:>
:> It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
:> Minister of the day.
: But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
: may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
: Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
: be very difficult.
: Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
: much 'government'.
The more wizards-in-muggle-jobs there are the less credible
Arthur Weasley's ignorance (while being considered expert) is!
Arthur doesn't actually do much with muggles. What he does is investigate
cases where a magical artifact has been noticed by muggles. Then his team
goes there and they obliviate everybody who saw anything, and he takes the
offending artifact away. THere is no actual need to talk to muggles at
all, except to repeat "nothing happening here" in a suitably governmental
tone of voice and, if necessary, give out a standard cover story.

=Tamar
Toon
2007-09-01 10:16:57 UTC
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Post by Richard Eney
Post by Louis Epstein
:>
:>> That's why the ministry of magic works alongside the muggle government.
:>
:> It doesn't 'work with'... the only person who knows is the Prime
:> Minister of the day.
: But they do. Recall the hunt for Sirius.. There are likely wizards in
: may muggle jobs, just to provide a working interface between the worlds.
: Else, getting something like a passport, or a driver's license would
: be very difficult.
: Maybe dealing with all these details is why a few wizards require so
: much 'government'.
The more wizards-in-muggle-jobs there are the less credible
Arthur Weasley's ignorance (while being considered expert) is!
Arthur doesn't actually do much with muggles. What he does is investigate
cases where a magical artifact has been noticed by muggles. Then his team
goes there and they obliviate everybody who saw anything, and he takes the
offending artifact away. THere is no actual need to talk to muggles at
all, except to repeat "nothing happening here" in a suitably governmental
tone of voice and, if necessary, give out a standard cover story.
=Tamar
Here come the Wizards In Black, they won't let you remember.
Nuki Mouse
2007-08-06 20:57:06 UTC
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Post by Sirius Kase
The truth works - she attends boarding school.
But the authorities should know that itŽs not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?

In a world were Muggles can't see entire trains, don't notice purple triple
decker Knight Buses rushing down the street and for the most part just over
look magic folk, it is not beyond reason "authorities" don't notice the
occansional Muggle-born witch or wizard.
Post by Sirius Kase
And to relatives and her old friends, she canŽt explain what school,
she canŽt show any of her books or homework, they canŽt reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Who takes their books and homework on school break with them? Wait...
Hermione would. I guess she just doesn't talk about actual classes. It is
not unknown for a school to restrict phone conmunications and the Grangers
could just ask all Hermione's friends to send ther letters to them and
they'll make sure Hermione gets them.
Post by Sirius Kase
ShouldnŽt they become suspicious?
Why? Boarding Schools and the Boarding School Traditions are common in
England.

Nuki Mouse
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Toon
2007-08-07 14:09:24 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:39:10 -0700, mrcreosote
But the authorities should know that it´s not true? With today
computer registration abut everything and everyone, social security
numbers and everything?
Wizards in proper jobs.
And to relatives and her old friends, she can´t explain what school,
she can´t show any of her books or homework, they can´t reach her,
phone her, write to her, etc !!??
Shouldn´t they become suspicious?
Most don't really care.
Thom-Madura
2007-08-06 23:08:07 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Just lucky - I guess.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 00:44:34 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
She is going to an exclusive boarding school in Scotland (true), and
stays with her new friends most of the time (true). Her parents are
both rather busy with their lives, and they do spend some vacation time
together almost every summer.
o***@earthlink.net
2007-08-07 01:28:56 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
The Ministry of Magic fixes it. Hogwarts is a private academy fully
accredited with the British Ministry of Education and all its teaching
credentials are in order. If anyone ever wants to inspect it they
come back from Scotland with a vague memory of a fairly ordinary
private school and notes showing that everything is in order.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.
Nuki Mouse
2007-08-06 20:31:29 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
First off you must understand the nature of a school like Hogwarts. Not as a
school for magic but as an English (well...Scottish) Boarding School. Many
of these schools are very exclusive, very desirable to go to for the most
part. Or it could be a school for delinquents like St. Brutus Secure Center
for Incurably Criminal Boys were the Dursley's claim Harry goes to.

The student lives at the school for the entire school year except holidays
just like at Hogwarts. That is what the Boarding part means; Room & Board
(food). They divide you into houses, each house has its own separate
quarters and you can not leave school grounds except for a few supervised
visits like to a local town.

It is just like at Hogwarts, just teaching mundane (muggle) classes like
Math & Science.
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is Eton, it
last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to Eton, she would
still "disapear" all year, year after year.

BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be home for
Christmas..."

They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough that it
won't seem unusual at all.

Nuki Mouse
--
"This is just my opinion, I maybe wrong" D. Miller
"Defend free speech! Read a banned book today!" unknown.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it," S. Tallentyre, summarizing Voltaire's views.
Brian Wakeling
2007-08-07 12:36:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
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o***@earthlink.net
2007-08-07 13:38:10 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:36:31 GMT, "Brian Wakeling"
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
"Academic scholarship for a gifted student."
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.
Sue H
2007-08-07 14:44:56 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:36:31 GMT, "Brian Wakeling"
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
For poorer children, you could explain it by scholarship.
mrcreosote
2007-08-07 16:36:33 UTC
Permalink
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!

Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
Sue H
2007-08-07 16:50:27 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:36:33 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
There are thousands of cases where children disappear every day and
nobody notices till years later. Just on Nancy Grace this week cases
of a family hiding several children's bodies in the home...

Read milk cartons and mail inserts that say "have you seen this
person"... some missing for many years.

Actually, authorities care about you LESS than people you know do.
It's just more work for them.

Who do you think is going to care enough to start an investigation?
Some police officer who doesn't know you and therefore couldn't
possibly know you're missing? Or perhaps a religious priest/pastor or
Rabbi etc who would miss you in church? On those occasions, families
just say school... boarding school. She'll be back in the summer for
services. And she would; so she's NOT missing.

I think you are not thinking the whole thing out...
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 17:36:38 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:36:33 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
There are thousands of cases where children disappear every day and
nobody notices till years later. Just on Nancy Grace this week cases
of a family hiding several children's bodies in the home...
Read milk cartons and mail inserts that say "have you seen this
person"... some missing for many years.
Actually, authorities care about you LESS than people you know do.
It's just more work for them.
Who do you think is going to care enough to start an investigation?
Some police officer who doesn't know you and therefore couldn't
possibly know you're missing? Or perhaps a religious priest/pastor or
Rabbi etc who would miss you in church? On those occasions, families
just say school... boarding school. She'll be back in the summer for
services. And she would; so she's NOT missing.
I think you are not thinking the whole thing out...
In the US, alone, over 300,000 children disappear every year. In most
cases, these are run-aways, but many of them are never found by their
parents. Surely some of them are killed, and maybe some end up in the
witches/wizard's school in Salem. Grin.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 17:34:54 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
No one said NO Wizards understand such things. Hermione certainly does,
and Harry should, and Dean might very well be a computer nerd of the
first caliber. Surely this really isn't beyond the realm of reason.
Cindy Hamilton
2007-08-07 18:45:36 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i�m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
�m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can�t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don�t even know how
computers work?
A boatload of children "disappear" from the Detroit Public Schools
every year. Some transfer to other schools, some simply drop out.
The DPS simply don't account for all of them; they've got other
things to do.

There's no reason why Hermione's parents can't continue to claim her
on their taxes. It's not as if Inland Revenue comes and counts the
dependents. (Assuming, of course, that children represent a tax
deduction in the U.K.)

I think you overestimate the connectedness of all of the databases
that
various agencies keep.

Cindy Hamilton
Sue H
2007-08-07 19:08:05 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:45:36 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
A boatload of children "disappear" from the Detroit Public Schools
every year. Some transfer to other schools, some simply drop out.
The DPS simply don't account for all of them; they've got other
things to do.
There's no reason why Hermione's parents can't continue to claim her
on their taxes. It's not as if Inland Revenue comes and counts the
dependents. (Assuming, of course, that children represent a tax
deduction in the U.K.)
That's right; in the US, as long as you pay for 50% of a persons
living expenses, if you are guardian or have some relation to them,
you can claim them on your taxes. Or if they live under your roof for
6 months and you are helping to support them and can prove it
(legally). In Hermoine's case, they are paying for her school
tuition, transportation, food and such. They are supporting her and
therefore can claim her.
Post by Cindy Hamilton
I think you overestimate the connectedness of all of the databases
that
various agencies keep.
Cindy Hamilton
Bert
2007-08-07 23:44:18 UTC
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Post by Sue H
That's right; in the US, as long as you pay for 50% of a persons
living expenses, if you are guardian or have some relation to them,
you can claim them on your taxes. Or if they live under your roof for
6 months and you are helping to support them and can prove it
(legally). In Hermoine's case, they are paying for her school
tuition, transportation, food and such. They are supporting her and
therefore can claim her.
Tax in the UK does not work that same as tax in the US and we don't
claim for our children or dependents in our system. We also don't
routinely (generally) fill in a yearly tax return.

There are certain benefits that can be claimed, if you meet the
criteria, but these are either optional or automatic. An example
automatic benefit is Child Benefit, a small sum paid to every parent,
and this starts when they are tiny and stops when they are 18.
Timothy Bruening
2016-08-12 23:41:46 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:45:36 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
Post by Cindy Hamilton
Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i惴 more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
惴 more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can愒 hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don愒 even know how
computers work?
A boatload of children "disappear" from the Detroit Public Schools
every year. Some transfer to other schools, some simply drop out.
The DPS simply don't account for all of them; they've got other
things to do.
There's no reason why Hermione's parents can't continue to claim her
on their taxes. It's not as if Inland Revenue comes and counts the
dependents. (Assuming, of course, that children represent a tax
deduction in the U.K.)
That's right; in the US, as long as you pay for 50% of a persons
living expenses, if you are guardian or have some relation to them,
you can claim them on your taxes. Or if they live under your roof for
6 months and you are helping to support them and can prove it
(legally). In Hermoine's case, they are paying for her school
tuition, transportation, food and such. They are supporting her and
therefore can claim her.
Do the Dursleys claim Harry Potter as a dependent? If so, how? Harry lives with them only a few weeks a year, and they don't spend much money on him when he's at Hogwarts!
o***@earthlink.net
2007-08-08 01:32:09 UTC
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:45:36 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
Post by Cindy Hamilton
There's no reason why Hermione's parents can't continue to claim her
on their taxes.
The Weasleys don't pay taxes - muggle taxes, anyway. Again, all
handled through the Ministry of Magic. Someone gets curious why the
family in this farm don't pay taxes, there's a note in the file to
"see Department M about it". They come back from Department M with a
confused look, trying to remember what they'd been doing all day.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.
Tangent
2007-08-07 22:29:33 UTC
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Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
I don't think it'll be a huge problem. As others have said, attending
boarding schools is not an unusual occurence - and, unless a magical
person takes a deliberate decision to return to Muggle society,
they'll simply won't need these systems again. Presumably, there is
some sort of MofM unit designed to getting magical people credentials
if they need them - after all, Ron could hardly have taken the driving
test without a driving licence, which, in turn, would need to be
obtained with a birth certificate, passport, and so forth - and
there's no reason why Muggle officialdom should know they exist.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-08 07:54:48 UTC
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Post by Tangent
Post by mrcreosote
Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
neighbours, but i´m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
´m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
can´t hide!!
Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
affect computer files and registers, when they don´t even know how
computers work?
I don't think it'll be a huge problem. As others have said, attending
boarding schools is not an unusual occurence - and, unless a magical
person takes a deliberate decision to return to Muggle society,
they'll simply won't need these systems again. Presumably, there is
some sort of MofM unit designed to getting magical people credentials
if they need them - after all, Ron could hardly have taken the driving
test without a driving licence, which, in turn, would need to be
obtained with a birth certificate, passport, and so forth - and
there's no reason why Muggle officialdom should know they exist.
Hermione goes out of the country on summer vacation (holiday) almost
every summer, and goes by muggle transport, so she MUST have a passport,
or other identification. I have never, in my adult life, been asked to
show any PROOF of my education, or where I went to school, other than
for a job application, and from the many cases of fraudulent employment
I read about in the newspapers, even those are VERY rarely actually
checked. Certainly someone seeking a job in a mundane field wouldn't
have his/her school records checked.
Louis Epstein
2007-08-31 20:25:42 UTC
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Tangent <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: On 7 Aug, 17:36, mrcreosote <***@yahoo.se> wrote:
:> Ok, you all focus mainly on how to explain for family, friends and
:> neighbours, but i?m more concerned about the authoroties. Fine. But i
:> ?m more concerned about authorities! Big brother is watching you! You
:> can?t hide!!
:>
:> Basically, a magic child with muggle parents "dissapeare" from this
:> world at age 11. Authorities today has computer register about
:> everyone and everything, health, taxes, income, purchases, welfare,
:> schools, etc. Authoroties would notice if a child suddenly
:> dissapeared!! Sure, MoM can erase peoples memories, but how can they
:> affect computer files and registers, when they don?t even know how
:> computers work?
:
: I don't think it'll be a huge problem. As others have said, attending
: boarding schools is not an unusual occurence - and, unless a magical
: person takes a deliberate decision to return to Muggle society,

Could very well happen,if a Muggle relative they are close to
suddenly needs them,for example...

: they'll simply won't need these systems again. Presumably, there is
: some sort of MofM unit designed to getting magical people credentials
: if they need them - after all, Ron could hardly have taken the driving
: test without a driving licence, which, in turn, would need to be
: obtained with a birth certificate, passport, and so forth - and
: there's no reason why Muggle officialdom should know they exist.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2007-08-31 20:19:16 UTC
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Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:36:31 GMT, "Brian Wakeling"
: <***@virgin.net> wrote:
:
:>In a speech called ***@news4.newsguy.com,
:>Nuki Mouse (***@NoSpam.com) spake thusly:
:>
:>> "mrcreosote" <***@yahoo.se> wrote in message
:>> news:***@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
:>>> This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione,
:>>> her
:>>> both parents are muggles.
:>>> Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
:>>
:><snip>
:>>
:>>> All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
:>>> after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
:>>
:>> Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School
:>> in
:>> Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
:>> Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
:>> Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
:>>
:>> BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
:>>
:>>> How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
:>>> etc?
:>>
:>> "Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
:>> home for Christmas..."
:>>
:>> They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say
:>> it
:>> teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
:>> that it won't seem unusual at all.
:>
:>
:>That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
:>parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
:>of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
:>Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
:>ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
:>get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
:>would have to describe.
:
: For poorer children, you could explain it by scholarship.

I believe the British government program is or was the
"Assisted Places Scheme".

(My "answer-to-Potter" concept has a boy who is from a poorer background,
lives in a council-owned apartment with his cleaning-lady mother...but
there the magical and surrounding societies are integrated more seamlessly.
Mail is easily delivered to and from the town the school is in despite
reference works being silent on it since the 1830s...essentially it gets
noticed only by people whose noticing it is approved there.My character
is offered fully paid room,board,uniform,everything,and it's only because
of that that he doesn't leave formal education at 16 as he expected).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-07 17:29:03 UTC
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Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
Special scholarship due to a special talent they want to encourage. Not
unheard of. In fact, a LOT of otherwise unqualified people seem to go
to college in the US just because they are good at some sport or other.
Tangent
2007-08-07 22:35:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
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Not necessarily. There are boarding schools like Christ's Hospital
that manage to do what many exclusive boarding schools were originally
set up to do, and provide considerable scholarships for their pupils.
Besides, there used to be the "assisted places" scheme, where these
fees were paid by the government for talented young children: Hogwarts
probably wouldn't claim the money, but Dean Thomas' neighbours might
assume that this is what happened.
m***@hotmail.com
2007-08-09 02:44:09 UTC
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Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
--
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Maybe not boarding schools, but there are a number of special-interest
schools or academies in the US where the student has to audition or
submit something in order to be accepted. JKR said he was an artist,
so maybe his cover story is that he was given a scholarship to an
exclusive art school?

What I want to know is how Hermione was "permitted" to do magic
outside of school before she ever got to Hogwarts. Maybe there's an
exception to the Statute of Secrecy and the laws against under-age
magic--which allows a grace period for the witch or wizard to try out
their first wands (more than just finding out which wand chose them).

Marli
Dragon Rider
2007-08-09 02:50:50 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
--
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Maybe not boarding schools, but there are a number of special-interest
schools or academies in the US where the student has to audition or
submit something in order to be accepted. JKR said he was an artist,
so maybe his cover story is that he was given a scholarship to an
exclusive art school?
What I want to know is how Hermione was "permitted" to do magic
outside of school before she ever got to Hogwarts. Maybe there's an
exception to the Statute of Secrecy and the laws against under-age
magic--which allows a grace period for the witch or wizard to try out
their first wands (more than just finding out which wand chose them).
They only get warned about it at the end of their first year, probably
on the idea an 11-yo that just found out s/he was a witch/wizard with
a newly-bought wand won't do much. Obviously they ain't prepared for
our Hermione!
Sue H
2007-08-09 14:45:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Brian Wakeling
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
<snip>
Post by Nuki Mouse
Post by mrcreosote
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year
after year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
Hermione didn't quit school, she is just going to a Boarding School in
Scottland. The most famous (real) boarding school in England is
Eton, it last 6 years from age 13 to 18. If Hermione was going to
Eton, she would still "disapear" all year, year after year.
BTW I KNOW Eton is a boy's school, I just used it as an example.
Post by mrcreosote
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione's going to a Boarding School in Scotland, but she'll be
home for Christmas..."
They tell the neighbors and friends the truth. They just don't say it
teaches magic instead of math. Boarding schools are common enough
that it won't seem unusual at all.
That's a very good explanation, and it works - for Hermione, whose
parents are dentists, a reasonably high-earning profession and bulwark
of the upper-middle classes. But about someone like Dean Thomas?
Single-parent family from one of the poorer areas of London, and of an
ethnicity that doesn't usually apply for boarding schools, much less
get accepted, especially an exclusive one like what the cover story
would have to describe.
--
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Maybe not boarding schools, but there are a number of special-interest
schools or academies in the US where the student has to audition or
submit something in order to be accepted. JKR said he was an artist,
so maybe his cover story is that he was given a scholarship to an
exclusive art school?
What I want to know is how Hermione was "permitted" to do magic
outside of school before she ever got to Hogwarts. Maybe there's an
exception to the Statute of Secrecy and the laws against under-age
magic--which allows a grace period for the witch or wizard to try out
their first wands (more than just finding out which wand chose them).
Marli
Well, there's a scene in DH I believe when Snape and Lily are
playing/talking and Lily does magic and Snape says it's ok they
understand new students/kids not used to magic etc are giving them a
break. Although Hermoine is a little older, maybe the excitement rule
applies?
Toon
2007-08-07 14:08:23 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:57 -0700, mrcreosote
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
Special school for the gifted? Special Private School with
Scholarship. Oh those crazy neighbors. Always with their magical kid
off at magical kid training school.
Tim Bruening
2007-08-10 08:57:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)
Ron Hunter
2007-08-10 16:36:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)
Maybe tell everyone she took a position as apprentice to a librarian in
Scotland.... Everyone would believe that!
Alun L. Palmer
2007-08-13 00:54:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)
Maybe tell everyone she took a position as apprentice to a librarian in
Scotland.... Everyone would believe that!
You could tell the absolute truth and say she's gone to boarding school in
Scotland to learn magic. Everyone would just assume you meant stage
conjuring like David copperfield.

Of course the government would have Hogwarts listed as a school. Perhaps a
direct grant school, i.e. a selective school paid for by the government.
I'm not sure if those still exist, but Hogwarts could always be a special
exception, and no-one could ever quite remember why.

This is Britain we are talking about, not America. You don't need a
National Insurance number until you either get a muggle job or need to
claim muggle benefits. You certainly don't need one for your parents'
taxes, or to use for ID Only the government and your employer have any
right to know what your NI number is. Of course, that ought to be true of
your SS number in America, but sadly all too many busybodies ask for it. In
the UK they don't.
Ron Hunter
2007-08-13 08:35:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alun L. Palmer
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)
Maybe tell everyone she took a position as apprentice to a librarian in
Scotland.... Everyone would believe that!
You could tell the absolute truth and say she's gone to boarding school in
Scotland to learn magic. Everyone would just assume you meant stage
conjuring like David copperfield.
Of course the government would have Hogwarts listed as a school. Perhaps a
direct grant school, i.e. a selective school paid for by the government.
I'm not sure if those still exist, but Hogwarts could always be a special
exception, and no-one could ever quite remember why.
This is Britain we are talking about, not America. You don't need a
National Insurance number until you either get a muggle job or need to
claim muggle benefits. You certainly don't need one for your parents'
taxes, or to use for ID Only the government and your employer have any
right to know what your NI number is. Of course, that ought to be true of
your SS number in America, but sadly all too many busybodies ask for it. In
the UK they don't.
There USED to be a law in the US prohibiting the SS card from being used
for ID, and prohibiting its use for anything other that SS purposes
(ie., your employer), but this seems to have gone the way of the mammoth.
Sue H
2007-08-14 15:27:27 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:54:37 -0000, "Alun L. Palmer"
Post by Alun L. Palmer
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)
Maybe tell everyone she took a position as apprentice to a librarian in
Scotland.... Everyone would believe that!
You could tell the absolute truth and say she's gone to boarding school in
Scotland to learn magic. Everyone would just assume you meant stage
conjuring like David copperfield.
Of course the government would have Hogwarts listed as a school. Perhaps a
direct grant school, i.e. a selective school paid for by the government.
I'm not sure if those still exist, but Hogwarts could always be a special
exception, and no-one could ever quite remember why.
This is Britain we are talking about, not America. You don't need a
National Insurance number until you either get a muggle job or need to
claim muggle benefits. You certainly don't need one for your parents'
taxes, or to use for ID Only the government and your employer have any
right to know what your NI number is. Of course, that ought to be true of
your SS number in America, but sadly all too many busybodies ask for it. In
the UK they don't.
You need the SSN for job applications/work related benefits, financial
contracts, school, health care (so they can cross reference to your
insurance), and for your driver's license and for your military
records. Yes, it's used a lot and it's to me like the tattoo of the
barcode 666... it's big brother; a way for you to always be found.
It's a conspiracy I tell you! LOL
Ron Hunter
2007-08-14 17:40:30 UTC
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Post by Sue H
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:54:37 -0000, "Alun L. Palmer"
Post by Alun L. Palmer
Post by Ron Hunter
Post by Tim Bruening
Post by mrcreosote
This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
both parents are muggles.
Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
etc?
"Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)
Maybe tell everyone she took a position as apprentice to a librarian in
Scotland.... Everyone would believe that!
You could tell the absolute truth and say she's gone to boarding school in
Scotland to learn magic. Everyone would just assume you meant stage
conjuring like David copperfield.
Of course the government would have Hogwarts listed as a school. Perhaps a
direct grant school, i.e. a selective school paid for by the government.
I'm not sure if those still exist, but Hogwarts could always be a special
exception, and no-one could ever quite remember why.
This is Britain we are talking about, not America. You don't need a
National Insurance number until you either get a muggle job or need to
claim muggle benefits. You certainly don't need one for your parents'
taxes, or to use for ID Only the government and your employer have any
right to know what your NI number is. Of course, that ought to be true of
your SS number in America, but sadly all too many busybodies ask for it. In
the UK they don't.
You need the SSN for job applications/work related benefits, financial
contracts, school, health care (so they can cross reference to your
insurance), and for your driver's license and for your military
records. Yes, it's used a lot and it's to me like the tattoo of the
barcode 666... it's big brother; a way for you to always be found.
It's a conspiracy I tell you! LOL
Not that, just that SS has become a welfare program, rather than a safe
retirement fund, and the SSN has become the preferred identification
number for all transactions.
Louis Epstein
2007-08-31 20:28:39 UTC
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Tim Bruening <***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
:
:
: mrcreosote wrote:
:
:> This maybe is a stupid question, but take for instance Hermione, her
:> both parents are muggles.
:> Up til age 11 she lived a muggle life and atended muggle schools.
:>
:> All of a sudden she quits school, dissapears for all year, year after
:> year, execpt summer holidays, etc.
:>
:> How do the parents explain this to family, neighbours, authorities.
:> etc?
:
: "Hermione is in an institution for the criminally insane".:)

A sister school to St. Brutus's?

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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