Malfoy being allowed to be at Hog

[Richard Fangnail]

Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance? I
remember the Star Trek where Kirk was split into good and evil. But
the good Kirk "needed" the bad Kirk to be assertive instead of soft
and weak.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

Post by Richard Fangnail
Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance? I
remember the Star Trek where Kirk was split into good and evil. But
the good Kirk "needed" the bad Kirk to be assertive instead of soft
and weak.

Well, it's no crime to be ambitious. Besides, what would they do with
all
those sociopath-wannabees if there were no Slytherin?

Cindy Hamilton

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

Post by Richard Fangnail
Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance? I
remember the Star Trek where Kirk was split into good and evil. But
the good Kirk "needed" the bad Kirk to be assertive instead of soft
and weak.

Well, it's no crime to be ambitious. Besides, what would they do with
all
those sociopath-wannabees if there were no Slytherin?
Cindy Hamilton

Ever wonder why Percy didn't get sorted into Slytherin? He was
certainly ambitious, in the extreme.

[astrodeb]

Post by Ron Hunter
Ever wonder why Percy didn't get sorted into Slytherin? He was
certainly ambitious, in the extreme.

He was headed to be the next Umbridge - until he decided to straighten
up and fly right for no adequately explained reason.

DLP

[Cathy Weeks]

Post by astrodeb

Post by Ron Hunter
Ever wonder why Percy didn't get sorted into Slytherin? He was
certainly ambitious, in the extreme.

He was headed to be the next Umbridge - until he decided to straighten
up and fly right for no adequately explained reason.

Well, he *was* wrong. And he *did* know it. And it took him at least
a couple of years to admit it. And - and this might be the most
important - he was facing losing his whole family.

He was also raised not to discriminate against muggles - I have
trouble thinking that the anti-muggle-born stuff going on would have
sat well with him.

Cathy Weeks

[Drusilla]

Post by Cathy Weeks

Post by astrodeb

Post by Ron Hunter
Ever wonder why Percy didn't get sorted into Slytherin? He was
certainly ambitious, in the extreme.

He was headed to be the next Umbridge - until he decided to straighten
up and fly right for no adequately explained reason.

Well, he *was* wrong. And he *did* know it. And it took him at least
a couple of years to admit it. And - and this might be the most
important - he was facing losing his whole family.
He was also raised not to discriminate against muggles - I have
trouble thinking that the anti-muggle-born stuff going on would have
sat well with him.

He dated a muggle born, he definitely doesn't discriminate. Although he
might be not so fond of muggles in general, if he thinks his father
makes a fool of himself with his obsession :)

[l***@yahoo.com]

Post by Ron Hunter
Ever wonder why Percy didn't get sorted into Slytherin? He was
certainly ambitious, in the extreme.

Because that would have spoiled the surprise in OotP?

Lenona.

[Toon]

Post by l***@yahoo.com

Post by Ron Hunter
Ever wonder why Percy didn't get sorted into Slytherin? He was
certainly ambitious, in the extreme.

Because that would have spoiled the surprise in OotP?
Lenona.

Maybe he wanted to be in Gryffendor like the rest of his family.

[Robin]

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

his father was a governor, but was removed in COS

[Edward McArdle]

Post by Robin

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

his father was a governor, but was removed in COS

I think the point about Malfoy is that he was a product of a bad father,
but when it came to the point he himself was not really bad. Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.
So Snape saved Malfoy, but he could not have done so if Malfoy did not
want to be saved.
Malfoy's father was just lucky, presumably saved by love of his family.

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Edward McArdle

Post by Robin

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

his father was a governor, but was removed in COS

I think the point about Malfoy is that he was a product of a bad father,
but when it came to the point he himself was not really bad. Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.
So Snape saved Malfoy, but he could not have done so if Malfoy did not
want to be saved.
Malfoy's father was just lucky, presumably saved by love of his family.

So, constant verbal abuse, some physical abuse, neglect, being starved,
and locked in a closet for weeks, and denied medical treatment is 'good
upbringing'? Pardon me if I don't agree with you.
Granted, Malfoy's parents deserve much of the blame for him being an
obnoxious, spoiled, SOB, but calling Harry's upbringing 'good' is pretty
repulsive.

[Cathy Weeks]

Post by Edward McArdle
Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.

Ummm... I'm so shocked by this statement that I almost don't know
where to begin. I really don't think the 1 year of good parenting
Harry had prior to the death of his parents will make up for the 10
years of ... overt abuse, lack of any love, and outright neglect
(including near starvation conditions at times). After he went to
Hogwarts, I think that he pretty much raised himself.

I think that Harry became a good person *in spite* of his upbringing.
Now, what I *think* you were getting at, is that it takes effort to
turn a child into a spoiled git, as both Dudley and Draco are
testement to.

Cathy Weeks

[Edward McArdle]

Post by Cathy Weeks

Post by Edward McArdle
Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.

Ummm... I'm so shocked by this statement that I almost don't know
where to begin. I really don't think the 1 year of good parenting
Harry had prior to the death of his parents will make up for the 10
years of ... overt abuse, lack of any love, and outright neglect
(including near starvation conditions at times). After he went to
Hogwarts, I think that he pretty much raised himself.
I think that Harry became a good person *in spite* of his upbringing.
Now, what I *think* you were getting at, is that it takes effort to
turn a child into a spoiled git, as both Dudley and Draco are
testement to.
Cathy Weeks

Ok, I threw out a careless statement.

What I meant was that Malfoy was *raised* to be bad. Harry was ignored.

[DrGong]

remember, Potter was almost a Slytherin....

Also, funny enough, I was a political Science Major who ended up
working in the government, and most of the time the online "sorting
hats" put me in Slytherin...


Drgong (Would be Dark wizard???)

[dkra]

x-no-archive: yes

Post by DrGong
remember, Potter was almost a Slytherin....
Also, funny enough, I was a political Science Major who ended up
working in the government, and most of the time the online "sorting
hats" put me in Slytherin...

<snip>

Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)

-- dkra

[M***@net.ac]

Post by dkra
x-no-archive: yes

Post by DrGong
remember, Potter was almost a Slytherin....
Also, funny enough, I was a political Science Major who ended up
working in the government, and most of the time the online "sorting
hats" put me in Slytherin...

<snip>
Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)
-- dkra

ISTJ

[Sue H]

Post by dkra
x-no-archive: yes

Post by DrGong
remember, Potter was almost a Slytherin....
Also, funny enough, I was a political Science Major who ended up
working in the government, and most of the time the online "sorting
hats" put me in Slytherin...

<snip>
Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)
-- dkra

ISTJ

I think I was an INTJ OR INTF I forget not what the classifications
were. I do remember Inutitive, Feeling and thinking?

[DrGong]

Post by dkra
x-no-archive: yes
Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)
-- dkra

INTJ, ISTJ, ENTJ, and INFJ among others...

I am a INTJ or a INFJ...forget which...

(Drgong is off to speak to snakes....)

[Sue H]

Post by DrGong

Post by dkra
x-no-archive: yes
Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)
-- dkra

INTJ, ISTJ, ENTJ, and INFJ among others...
I am a INTJ or a INFJ...forget which...
(Drgong is off to speak to snakes....)

Wasn't the others ENTJ etc? (I think a couple on here might be E's)

[DrGong]

Post by Sue H

Post by DrGong

Post by dkra
x-no-archive: yes
Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)
-- dkra

INTJ, ISTJ, ENTJ, and INFJ among others...
I am a INTJ or a INFJ...forget which...
(Drgong is off to speak to snakes....)

Wasn't the others ENTJ etc? (I think a couple on here might be E's)

back from doing Parseltongue ;)

There is

you can be a E or I
S or N
T or F
J or P

so there is 2x2x2x2 types, or 16 all together.

ISTJ ISFJ INFJ INTJ
ISTP ISFP INFP INTP
ESTP ESFP ENFP ENTP
ESTJ ESFJ ENFJ ENTJ


anyways, I am a severely I, who has trained himself to actually speak
to people...and now I am said to be good at public speaking...

[Sue H]

Post by DrGong

Post by Sue H

Post by DrGong

Post by dkra
x-no-archive: yes
Just wondering: what sort of Myers-Briggs type would be a Slytherin? ;-)
-- dkra

INTJ, ISTJ, ENTJ, and INFJ among others...
I am a INTJ or a INFJ...forget which...
(Drgong is off to speak to snakes....)

Wasn't the others ENTJ etc? (I think a couple on here might be E's)

back from doing Parseltongue ;)
There is
you can be a E or I
S or N
T or F
J or P
so there is 2x2x2x2 types, or 16 all together.
ISTJ ISFJ INFJ INTJ
ISTP ISFP INFP INTP
ESTP ESFP ENFP ENTP
ESTJ ESFJ ENFJ ENTJ
anyways, I am a severely I, who has trained himself to actually speak
to people...and now I am said to be good at public speaking...

I was either an INTJ or INFJ

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Edward McArdle

Post by Cathy Weeks

Post by Edward McArdle
Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.

Ummm... I'm so shocked by this statement that I almost don't know
where to begin. I really don't think the 1 year of good parenting
Harry had prior to the death of his parents will make up for the 10
years of ... overt abuse, lack of any love, and outright neglect
(including near starvation conditions at times). After he went to
Hogwarts, I think that he pretty much raised himself.
I think that Harry became a good person *in spite* of his upbringing.
Now, what I *think* you were getting at, is that it takes effort to
turn a child into a spoiled git, as both Dudley and Draco are
testement to.
Cathy Weeks

Ok, I threw out a careless statement.
What I meant was that Malfoy was *raised* to be bad. Harry was ignored.

No, not ignored, abused, with evil intent, and total lack of any human
kindness. Petunia and Vernon Dursley are, in their way, more evil than
Voldemort. At least they don't have his negative experiences to point
to as justification for being such lousy people.

[Louis Epstein]

Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: Edward McArdle wrote:
:> In article <***@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
:> Cathy Weeks <***@weeksfamily.net> wrote:
:>
:>> On Aug 10, 8:34 pm, Edward McArdle <***@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
:>>
:>>> Harry had
:>>> the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.
:>> Ummm... I'm so shocked by this statement that I almost don't know
:>> where to begin. I really don't think the 1 year of good parenting
:>> Harry had prior to the death of his parents will make up for the 10
:>> years of ... overt abuse, lack of any love, and outright neglect
:>> (including near starvation conditions at times). After he went to
:>> Hogwarts, I think that he pretty much raised himself.
:>>
:>> I think that Harry became a good person *in spite* of his upbringing.
:>> Now, what I *think* you were getting at, is that it takes effort to
:>> turn a child into a spoiled git, as both Dudley and Draco are
:>> testement to.
:>>
:>> Cathy Weeks
:>
:> Ok, I threw out a careless statement.
:>
:> What I meant was that Malfoy was *raised* to be bad. Harry was ignored.
:>
:
: No, not ignored, abused, with evil intent, and total lack of any human
: kindness. Petunia and Vernon Dursley are, in their way, more evil than
: Voldemort. At least they don't have his negative experiences to point
: to as justification for being such lousy people.

We don't know the first thing about Vernon Dursley's upbringing,
actually.

And the business about Malfoy being the product of a bad father
but not bad in himself...what does that say about Abraxas Malfoy's
parenting skills?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Cathy Weeks]

Post by Edward McArdle
Ok, I threw out a careless statement.

Ok, fair enough.

Post by Edward McArdle
What I meant was that Malfoy was *raised* to be bad. Harry was ignored.

I agree.:-)

Cathy Weeks

[Toon]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:46:55 -0700, Cathy Weeks

Post by Cathy Weeks

Post by Edward McArdle
Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.

Ummm... I'm so shocked by this statement that I almost don't know
where to begin. I really don't think the 1 year of good parenting
Harry had prior to the death of his parents will make up for the 10
years of ... overt abuse, lack of any love, and outright neglect
(including near starvation conditions at times). After he went to
Hogwarts, I think that he pretty much raised himself.
I think that Harry became a good person *in spite* of his upbringing.
Now, what I *think* you were getting at, is that it takes effort to
turn a child into a spoiled git, as both Dudley and Draco are
testement to.
Cathy Weeks

At least Dudley began to change in the end. He was secretly being
nicer to Harry (so secretly, even Harry missed it), he was worried
about Harry as the protection spells ended, and they made peace (sort
of) in the end.

[Jack]

Post by Edward McArdle

Post by Robin

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

his father was a governor, but was removed in COS

I think the point about Malfoy is that he was a product of a bad father,
but when it came to the point he himself was not really bad. Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.
So Snape saved Malfoy, but he could not have done so if Malfoy did not
want to be saved.
Malfoy's father was just lucky, presumably saved by love of his family.
--
my URL,http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mcardle

WTF? Harry had a good upbringing? More likely to have turned out to be
a bully himself after being booted around by the fat cousin.

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Edward McArdle

Post by Robin

Post by Cindy Hamilton

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

His father's on the board of directors or whatever it's called.

his father was a governor, but was removed in COS

I think the point about Malfoy is that he was a product of a bad father,
but when it came to the point he himself was not really bad. Harry had
the advantage of a good upbringing, Malfoy did not.
So Snape saved Malfoy, but he could not have done so if Malfoy did not
want to be saved.
Malfoy's father was just lucky, presumably saved by love of his family.

I would not regard Harry's upbringing by the Dursleys to be "GOOD"!

[Toon]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:36:12 -0700, Cindy Hamilton

Post by Cindy Hamilton
Well, it's no crime to be ambitious. Besides, what would they do with
all
those sociopath-wannabees if there were no Slytherin?

Let them intern in the MOM.

[Louis Epstein]

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:36:12 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
: <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
:>Well, it's no crime to be ambitious. Besides, what would they do with
:>all those sociopath-wannabees if there were no Slytherin?
:
: Let them intern in the MOM.

No good for the MOM.

Anyway...seems to me one would want sociopath-wannabees to NOT
learn magic!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Toon]

Post by Louis Epstein
Anyway...seems to me one would want sociopath-wannabees to NOT
learn magic!

Or hope they kill each other off.

[Louis Epstein]

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:43:29 -0500, Louis Epstein <***@main.put.com>
: wrote:
:
:>Anyway...seems to me one would want sociopath-wannabees to NOT
:>learn magic!
:
: Or hope they kill each other off.

Well...I've pondered the idea of a suicide-bombers' convention where
they can demonstrate their techniques in an audience of their own kind
of people.But so far none of them seem to be registering...

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

this is one of the ugly things about 'zero tolerance' programs. If
someone provokes you mightily, then actually punches you in the gut,
breaks your nose, and blacks both your eyes, and you finally decide he
is going to beat you to death, and finally throw a punch, you get
punished MORE than he did... This is insanity. Draco should have been
expelled for repeated, and habitual incitement to violence. He isn't
above cursing someone from behind, either.

Post by Richard Fangnail
Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance? I
remember the Star Trek where Kirk was split into good and evil. But
the good Kirk "needed" the bad Kirk to be assertive instead of soft
and weak.

[John VanSickle]

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids?

You've never seen a real-world public school, have you? There are kids
there who are just as bad, and who are never punished, or who are
punished in ways that have no meaning for them.

Regards,
John

[Ron Hunter]

Post by John VanSickle

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids?

You've never seen a real-world public school, have you? There are kids
there who are just as bad, and who are never punished, or who are
punished in ways that have no meaning for them.
Regards,
John

And all in the name of 'zero tolerance'. Disgraceful that schools don't
have the guts to stand up to bad parents, and tell it like it is.

[Bill Blakely]

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by John VanSickle

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids?

You've never seen a real-world public school, have you? There are kids
there who are just as bad, and who are never punished, or who are
punished in ways that have no meaning for them.
Regards,
John

And all in the name of 'zero tolerance'. Disgraceful that schools don't
have the guts to stand up to bad parents, and tell it like it is.

Yes, in my experience, public school in the US are more likely to
punish those who stand up to bullies than the bullies themselves. At
the very least, the victims of bullies are punished as much as the
bullies if they try to defend themselves, which makes no sense.

"Zero tolerance" also means that US school administrators can't tell
the difference between aspirin and heroin.

It is my impression that getting a lobotomy is a prerequisite for
government employment at all levels, but especially in public schools.


-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

[Toon]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:40:18 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by John VanSickle

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids?

You've never seen a real-world public school, have you? There are kids
there who are just as bad, and who are never punished, or who are
punished in ways that have no meaning for them.
Regards,
John

And all in the name of 'zero tolerance'. Disgraceful that schools don't
have the guts to stand up to bad parents, and tell it like it is.

Yes, in my experience, public school in the US are more likely to
punish those who stand up to bullies than the bullies themselves. At
the very least, the victims of bullies are punished as much as the
bullies if they try to defend themselves, which makes no sense.
"Zero tolerance" also means that US school administrators can't tell
the difference between aspirin and heroin.
It is my impression that getting a lobotomy is a prerequisite for
government employment at all levels, but especially in public schools.
-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

What about the 6 year old boy they expelled for sexually harassing his
classmate when he kissed her? Amitted rapists get off easier then
that.

Even on the Peanuts cartoon, Rerun got in major trouble for planning
to runaway with his female classmate.

[o***@earthlink.net]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:42:17 -0700, Richard Fangnail

Post by Richard Fangnail
Why is Malfoy punished so little for going around insulting or
harassing the other kids? Is it because his father is a wizard? Or
is it because his bullying isn't considered serious enough?

1) His father is a very RICH, IMPORTANT wizard

2) Snape favors Slytherins over other Houses. As long as they don't
jinx someone's nose off, discipline - if any - is up to him.

Post by Richard Fangnail
Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance? I
remember the Star Trek where Kirk was split into good and evil. But
the good Kirk "needed" the bad Kirk to be assertive instead of soft
and weak.

Many of the noblest and most influential wizards come from Slytherin.
The House attracts powerseekers and those politically minded in the
Wizarding World. It ain't going away.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.

[Toon]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:42:17 -0700, Richard Fangnail

Post by Richard Fangnail
Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance?

Yes, because being a nuisance is not a major problem. Just a major
annoyance. And only from the member's choices. A whole new
generation can choose not to be gits.

[Richard Eney]

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Post by Toon

Post by Richard Fangnail
Is Slytherin necessary to the school even if it's a nuisance?

Yes, because being a nuisance is not a major problem. Just a
major annoyance. And only from the member's choices. A whole
new generation can choose not to be gits.

Of the previous batch of Slytherins, the ones who left Hogwarts
but were, as far as we know, _not_ all Junior DEs - do you think
any of them came back to school after the cleanup? Especially
the first-year students and really anyone too young to be in
Draco's gang - they would still have been savable. There should
not have been a stigma simply for having left, since the underage
ones were ordered to leave, and some left from every House. The
way I read that scene, all the Slytherins were ordered by
McGonagall to leave.

Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting, and a very small House
for a few years?

=Tamar

[Toon]

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry�s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...

BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

How do you know she had no say?
Perhaps she liked the names.

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry�s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

How do you know she had no say?
Perhaps she liked the names.

Oops, I should have said "no contribution of her side of the family",
I guess...

And somehow I don�t really see her cherishing "Albus Severus". Just
MHO!

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

How do you know she had no say?
Perhaps she liked the names.

Oops, I should have said "no contribution of her side of the family",
I guess...
And somehow I don´t really see her cherishing "Albus Severus". Just
MHO!

Well, I think she should have put her foot in Harry's backside for the
'Severus' name, but she might well have respected Dumbledore enough to
accept that as a first name, but they could have used Brian, for
instance. Brian Arthur Potter would have been fine.

[Toon]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

How do you know she had no say?
Perhaps she liked the names.

Oops, I should have said "no contribution of her side of the family",
I guess...
And somehow I don´t really see her cherishing "Albus Severus". Just
MHO!

Well, Severus sounds like sever, which is bad, like when Percy severed
all ties with the family.

[Drusilla]

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

[Welsh Dog]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Victoire isn't so bad assuming they named her after Harry's defeat of
Voldemort... and it could be worse... I know three blokes (including
an ex-father-in-law) born at Xmas who's parents called them 'Noel' -
highly original... not.

But naming people after events or holidays isn't that uncommon. .. tho
I can't say I've ever met anyone called Whitsun yet!

Off topic slightly but I *did* come across a lady of African origin
whose mother had named her 'Fison' after seeing it on a fertilizer bag
and thinking it was quite pretty!!

I also knew a woman called Gay Power and when I was growing up I lived
opposite a boy called Richard Head.

Welshdog

[Drusilla]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.

But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)

It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

[Drusilla]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.

[Toon]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.

One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.

[Edward McArdle]

Post by Toon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate HarryŽs sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.

One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.

That could have been Nicholas Cage. And I think it was his Christian
name.

Which is worse.

[Toon]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:11:18 +1000, Edward McArdle

Post by Edward McArdle

Post by Toon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.

One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.

That could have been Nicholas Cage. And I think it was his Christian
name.
Which is worse.

Because the El's are Galatic Prebsberterians.

[Drusilla]

Post by Toon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.

One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.

And Nicolas Cage.

[Louis Epstein]

Drusilla <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:
: Toon escribi?:
:> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla
:> <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:
:>
:>> Dragon Rider escribi?:
:>>> Drusilla escreveu:
:>>>
:>>>> Dragon Rider escribi?:
:>>>>> Drusilla escreveu:
:>>>>>
:>>>>>> Dragon Rider escribi?:
:>>>>>>> On 13 ago, 07:09, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:53:38 -0000, ***@radix.net (Richard Eney)
:>>>>>>>> wrote:
:>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>> Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
:>>>>>>>>> whoever was in the next year's Sorting

I doubt that.
Hard to believe that EVERY Slytherin backed Tommykins even
if Tommykins said so!

What would have happened to the expelled students?

In any event I can see a case for denying magical training
to sociopathic individuals but not perceived personality types.

:>>>>>>>> Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
:>>>>>>>> equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
:>>>>>>>> but isn't really that bad.
:>>>>>>> We must find a way to differentiate Harry?s sons from his father,
:>>>>>>> mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
:>>>>>>> get really confusing...
:>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>> BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?
:>>>>>> I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)
:>>>>> LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
:>>>>> their good taste... :)
:>>>> Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
:>>>> would be a boy first.
:>>>>
:>>>> But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
:>>>> (hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
:>>>> Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
:>>>> Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
:>>>> kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
:>>>> probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.
:>>> Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
:>>> name!" :)
:>>>
:>>> It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
:>>> Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
:>>> opera star, IMHO.
:>> I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
:>> poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
:>> a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
:>> that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.
:>
:> One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.
:
: And Nicolas Cage.

Plenty of bad child names out there,you only hear about them
at birth when the parents are celebrities.

Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
name as middle name) is continued there.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Paracelsus]

Louis Epstein wrote:
[snip]

Post by Louis Epstein
.
:>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>> BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?
:>>>>>> I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)
:>>>>> LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
:>>>>> their good taste... :)
:>>>> Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
:>>>> would be a boy first.
:>>>>

I assumed that "Victoire" was one of the children of Fleur and Bill. She
must have been around 17 in the epilogue (ie. young enough to be still
going to Hogwarts but old enough to be snogging 19 year old Ted Lupin.)
Victoire is a feminine form of Victor so I also assumed that Fleur named
her for Victor Krum who appears to be a good friend.

Post by Louis Epstein
:>>>> But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
:>>>> (hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
:>>>> Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
:>>>> Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
:>>>> kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
:>>>> probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.
:>>> Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
:>>> name!" :)
:>>>
:>>> It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
:>>> Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
:>>> opera star, IMHO.
:>> I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
:>> poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
:>> a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
:>> that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.
:>
:> One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.
: And Nicolas Cage.
Plenty of bad child names out there,you only hear about them
at birth when the parents are celebrities.
Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
name as middle name) is continued there.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Paracelsus <***@_nospam_shaw.ca> wrote:
: Louis Epstein wrote:
: [snip]
:
:>.
:>:>>>>>>>
:>:>>>>>>> BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?
:>:>>>>>> I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)
:>:>>>>> LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
:>:>>>>> their good taste... :)
:>:>>>> Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know
:>:>>>> he would be a boy first.
:>:>>>>
:>
:>
: I assumed that "Victoire" was one of the children of Fleur and Bill. She

Rowling confirmed this.

: must have been around 17 in the epilogue (ie. young enough to be still
: going to Hogwarts but old enough to be snogging 19 year old Ted Lupin.)
: Victoire is a feminine form of Victor so I also assumed that Fleur named
: her for Victor Krum who appears to be a good friend.
:
:>:>>>> But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
:>:>>>> (hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
:>:>>>> Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
:>:>>>> Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
:>:>>>> kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
:>:>>>> probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.
:>:>>> Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
:>:>>> name!" :)
:>:>>>
:>:>>> It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
:>:>>> Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
:>:>>> opera star, IMHO.
:>:>> I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
:>:>> poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
:>:>> a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
:>:>> that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.
:>:>
:>:> One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.
:>:
:>: And Nicolas Cage.
:>
:>Plenty of bad child names out there,you only hear about them
:>at birth when the parents are celebrities.
:>
:>Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
:>for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
:>apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
:>daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
:>name as middle name) is continued there.
:>
:>-=-=-
:>The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
:>at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Toon]

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:38:57 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I assumed that "Victoire" was one of the children of Fleur and Bill. She
must have been around 17 in the epilogue (ie. young enough to be still
going to Hogwarts but old enough to be snogging 19 year old Ted Lupin.)
Victoire is a feminine form of Victor so I also assumed that Fleur named
her for Victor Krum who appears to be a good friend.

Confirmed as Bill and Fluer's, and named for Victory. They won, not
without loses.

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Louis Epstein
:> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla
:>
:>>>
:>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>> Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
:>>>>>>>>> whoever was in the next year's Sorting
I doubt that.
Hard to believe that EVERY Slytherin backed Tommykins even
if Tommykins said so!
What would have happened to the expelled students?
In any event I can see a case for denying magical training
to sociopathic individuals but not perceived personality types.
:>>>>>>>> Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
:>>>>>>>> equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
:>>>>>>>> but isn't really that bad.
:>>>>>>> We must find a way to differentiate Harry?s sons from his father,
:>>>>>>> mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
:>>>>>>> get really confusing...
:>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>> BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?
:>>>>>> I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)
:>>>>> LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
:>>>>> their good taste... :)
:>>>> Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
:>>>> would be a boy first.
:>>>>
:>>>> But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
:>>>> (hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
:>>>> Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
:>>>> Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
:>>>> kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
:>>>> probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.
:>>> Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
:>>> name!" :)
:>>>
:>>> It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
:>>> Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
:>>> opera star, IMHO.
:>> I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
:>> poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
:>> a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
:>> that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.
:>
:> One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.
: And Nicolas Cage.
Plenty of bad child names out there,you only hear about them
at birth when the parents are celebrities.
Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
name as middle name) is continued there.

I wonder if Harry and Ginny would name one of their sons James Arthur
Potter? It looks nice, sounds good, honors both their fathers, but the
initials are SO not PC. Grin.

[Bill Blakely]

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Louis Epstein
:> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla
:>
:>>>
:>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>>>> Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
:>>>>>>>>> whoever was in the next year's Sorting
I doubt that.
Hard to believe that EVERY Slytherin backed Tommykins even
if Tommykins said so!
What would have happened to the expelled students?
In any event I can see a case for denying magical training
to sociopathic individuals but not perceived personality types.
:>>>>>>>> Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
:>>>>>>>> equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
:>>>>>>>> but isn't really that bad.
:>>>>>>> We must find a way to differentiate Harry?s sons from his father,
:>>>>>>> mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
:>>>>>>> get really confusing...
:>>>>>>>
:>>>>>>> BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?
:>>>>>> I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)
:>>>>> LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
:>>>>> their good taste... :)
:>>>> Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
:>>>> would be a boy first.
:>>>>
:>>>> But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
:>>>> (hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
:>>>> Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
:>>>> Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
:>>>> kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
:>>>> probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.
:>>> Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
:>>> name!" :)
:>>>
:>>> It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
:>>> Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
:>>> opera star, IMHO.
:>> I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
:>> poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
:>> a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
:>> that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.
:>
:> One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.
: And Nicolas Cage.
Plenty of bad child names out there,you only hear about them
at birth when the parents are celebrities.
Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
name as middle name) is continued there.

I wonder if Harry and Ginny would name one of their sons James Arthur
Potter? It looks nice, sounds good, honors both their fathers, but the
initials are SO not PC. Grin.

Anything would be better than Albus Severus, with the initials of ASP,
so clearly destined to take after his middle namesake and to become a
Slytherin and the next Dark Lord. **shudder**


-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

[Louis Epstein]

Bill Blakely <***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:38:28 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
: wrote:
:
:>Louis Epstein wrote:
:>> Drusilla <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:
:>> : Toon escribi?:
:>> :> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:17 -0500, Drusilla
:>> :> <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:
:>> :>
:>> :>> Dragon Rider escribi?:
:>> :>>> Drusilla escreveu:
:>> :>>>
:>> :>>>> Dragon Rider escribi?:
:>> :>>>>> Drusilla escreveu:
:>> :>>>>>
:>> :>>>>>> Dragon Rider escribi?:
:>> :>>>>>>> On 13 ago, 07:09, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>> :>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:53:38 -0000, ***@radix.net (Richard
:>> :>>>>>>>> Eney) wrote:
:>> :>>>>>>>>
:>> :>>>>>>>>> Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
:>> :>>>>>>>>> whoever was in the next year's Sorting
:>>
:>> I doubt that.
:>> Hard to believe that EVERY Slytherin backed Tommykins even
:>> if Tommykins said so!
:>>
:>> What would have happened to the expelled students?
:>>
:>> In any event I can see a case for denying magical training
:>> to sociopathic individuals but not perceived personality types.
:>>
:>> :>>>>>>>> Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
:>> :>>>>>>>> equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories
:>> :>>>>>>>> about, but isn't really that bad.
:>> :>>>>>>> We must find a way to differentiate Harry?s sons from his father,
:>> :>>>>>>> mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start
:>> :>>>>>>> to get really confusing...
:>> :>>>>>>>
:>> :>>>>>>> BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names
:>> :>>>>>>> whatsoever?
:>> :>>>>>> I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)
:>> :>>>>> LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
:>> :>>>>> their good taste... :)
:>> :>>>> Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't
:>> :>>>> know he would be a boy first.
:>> :>>>>
:>> :>>>> But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
:>> :>>>> (hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
:>> :>>>> Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
:>> :>>>> Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must
:>> :>>>> to be kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the
:>> :>>>> end she probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.
:>> :>>> Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
:>> :>>> name!" :)
:>> :>>>
:>> :>>> It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
:>> :>>> Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
:>> :>>> opera star, IMHO.
:>> :>> I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
:>> :>> poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could
:>> :>> be a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you
:>> :>> think that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.
:>> :>
:>> :> One of the Superman comics Writers named his kid's middle name Kal-El.
:>> :
:>> : And Nicolas Cage.
:>>
:>> Plenty of bad child names out there,you only hear about them
:>> at birth when the parents are celebrities.
:>>
:>> Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
:>> for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
:>> apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
:>> daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
:>> name as middle name) is continued there.
:>>
:>
:>I wonder if Harry and Ginny would name one of their sons James Arthur
:>Potter? It looks nice, sounds good, honors both their fathers, but the
:>initials are SO not PC. Grin.
:
: Anything would be better than Albus Severus, with the initials of ASP,
: so clearly destined to take after his middle namesake and to become a
: Slytherin and the next Dark Lord. **shudder**
:

A Slytherin,yes,but I see him as eventually ineffectual,
though he takes after the worst of his namesakes...manipulates
juniors he likes,like Albus,terrorizes those he doesn't,like Severus,
and lies whenever it suits him,like Harry.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Drusilla]

Post by Louis Epstein
Anyway...for purposes of my mindfic Lily's middle name is Ginevra
for her mother,just as Ginny's is "Molly" for HER mother...so an
apparent Weasley tradition (though there have been no Weasley
daughters for generations I notice that Bill had his father's
name as middle name) is continued there.

Hugo Ronald Weasley?

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's alovely> name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

I've seen cases... well, Let's just said that I've once heard of some
poor little girl called "Lady Diana". And yet, I thought Draco could be
a cool name for my kid (before I read HP, I swear!). And if you think
that's weird, my dad wanted to name me Andromeda.

Well, now we now you´re OK, check this for a laugh on the topic:

http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSPEK36827920070816

[Toon]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

No, that's like naming your kid, Pixie, Peaches, Apple, or Coco (I'm
not even touching thta idiot who gave his daughter like 100 names).
And why? So the parents can seem cool and hip and out compete each
other. Well, Hollywood folks can name thier kids whatever crappy name
they want to. Just as long as they remember these four simple words:
Eric and Lyle Menendez.

[Dragon Rider]

Post by Toon

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';
Percy, 'nah, I never liked him that much', Ronald, 'Harry you must to be
kidding me!' (Ron: "Hey! What's wrong with Ronald?!"). At the end she
probably gave up and said 'Ok, Harry we take your pick'.

Dragon Rider: "Hey! What's wrong with Victoria?! It's a lovely
name!" :)
It's the timing that made it wrong really, naming her like that after
Voldemort had been defeated. It's akin to naming a child after a soap
opera star, IMHO.

No, that's like naming your kid, Pixie, Peaches, Apple, or Coco (I'm
not even touching thta idiot who gave his daughter like 100 names).
And why? So the parents can seem cool and hip and out compete each
other. Well, Hollywood folks can name thier kids whatever crappy name
Eric and Lyle Menendez.

That´s why I´ve always defended parents SHOULDN´T be allowed to name
their children; the person her/himself should choose their name when
they came to be more mature (say 11 or 13.)

The idea is not original, I seem to remember reading that some tribes
did that: the children used a common name, something in the lines of
"boy", "lad" and a few others (obviously, "girl", "lass", etc. for
females) and chose their own name in a coming-of-age rite when they
were about twelve.

I know it would cause some confusion at first, but the idea is cool
IMHO.

[Toon]

Post by Dragon Rider
That´s why I´ve always defended parents SHOULDN´T be allowed to name
their children; the person her/himself should choose their name when
they came to be more mature (say 11 or 13.)
The idea is not original, I seem to remember reading that some tribes
did that: the children used a common name, something in the lines of
"boy", "lad" and a few others (obviously, "girl", "lass", etc. for
females) and chose their own name in a coming-of-age rite when they
were about twelve.

Same in the 31st Century DC Universe. Every hero is Blah Blah Boy,
Yada Yada Girl, Description Of Power Lad. Course, they were modeling
themselves after SuperBoy.

Post by Dragon Rider
I know it would cause some confusion at first, but the idea is cool
IMHO.

And in Jungle 2 Jungle, that lead to the boy calling himself cat pee
in his island language.

[Toon]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:08:50 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider
LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.

But her name is a Frenchified Victory.

Post by Drusilla
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';

Try telling that to Foreman.

[Drusilla]

Post by Toon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:08:50 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider
LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.

But her name is a Frenchified Victory.

Well, her mom is french. Why is that the name is Victoria and not
Victory? Victoria is Spanish for Victory.

Post by Toon

Post by Drusilla
But Poor Ginny, imagine her looking for names: Arthur, taken by Bill's
(hypothetical) first son; Bill, same case (Arthur William or William
Arthur II :P); Fred, taken by George; George, 'one George is enough!';

Try telling that to Foreman.

[Richard Eney]

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:08:50 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Dragon Rider
LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

Er... I considered Victoria as a name for my child when I didn't know he
would be a boy first.

But her name is a Frenchified Victory.

Well, her mom is french. Why is that the name is Victoria and not
Victory? Victoria is Spanish for Victory.

Victoria is the standard form in English, probably mainly because of
the 19th-century emphasis on Latin, and because of Queen Victoria.

=Tamar

[Toon]

Post by Dragon Rider

Post by Drusilla

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

I suppose all good names were already taken by her older brothers :)

LOL, good point! But, you know, if "Victoire" is an indication of
their good taste... :)

And it's not.

[Toon]

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

We must find a way to differentiate Harry´s sons from his father,
mother and headmaster in posts really, lest our discussions start to
get really confusing...
BTW, anyone was upset that Ginny had no say in the names whatsoever?

Maybe it was her idea? Besides, these people seemed to be naming the
kids after dead relatives. Harry lost his parents. Eveyrbody lost
DD. Harry wanted to honor Snape. Ginny lost Fred, who's nephew via
George was his namesake. She kinda of didn't have anybody else to
use. Harry had two folks, and both wanted to honor DD/Snape.

[Drusilla]

Post by Toon

Post by Richard Eney
Or do you think that Slytherin House started all over with
whoever was in the next year's Sorting

Yes. By James and Albus' time, Slytherin seems to be the house
equivalent of that evil teacher everybody tells horror stories about,
but isn't really that bad.

It always had the reputation, it was after all named after the Wizard
that spoke Parseltongue and left because he was a bigot. Nothing else.
Eventually, mostly DE came from Slytherin and it started to be related
to the Dark Side. When James first met Snape, he mocked him about
wanting to be Slytherin, but doesn't seem to indicate that it was
because it was dark. Even Sirius was lightly taken aback by his mockery.
He had probably had the same reaction if severus had wanted to be in
Hufflepuff.

When James and Albus arrive, it will still had the mark of have been the
house of the Dark Lord. And still James teased Albus about it.

[Toon]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:16:42 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla
Even Sirius was lightly taken aback by his mockery.

Plus, James just said he wasn't cool anymore.

[Drusilla]

Post by Toon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:16:42 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla
Even Sirius was lightly taken aback by his mockery.

Plus, James just said he wasn't cool anymore.

He told him "I though you were ok". Looks like at that time, Sirius
still wasn't completely against his family.