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Goblet of Fire: Truth Serum
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Timothy Bruening
2020-08-01 00:14:00 UTC
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The fake Moody says that many of Lord Voldemort's followers claimed that they had been under the influence of the Imperiatis Curse when they did his bidding. The problem was how to sort out the liars. This means that Truth Serum (which Snape would threaten Harry with later that same movie) must not yet have been invented! Otherwise, it would have been used to sort out the liars!
Igenlode Wordsmith
2020-08-02 00:13:21 UTC
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The fake Moody says that many of Lord Voldemort's followers claimed
that they had been under the influence of the Imperiatis Curse when
they did his bidding. The problem was how to sort out the liars. This
means that Truth Serum (which Snape would threaten Harry with later
that same movie) must not yet have been invented! Otherwise, it would
have been used to sort out the liars!
Presumably Legilimency could also have been used to detect who was
lying?
It may have been a question of scalability in both cases, e.g. if Truth
Serum is slow/expensive and difficult to produce (that is, if it
requires some extremely rare ingredients, or part of the procedure
involves leaving it to mature for twelve months before the next stage
can be completed) it may not be practical to employ it on everyone you
arrest. And if there are not many skilled Legilimens around (and they
tend to have other important jobs to do), then having one sit in on
every low-level interview of an alleged collaborator may not be a
priority either.
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Timothy Bruening
2020-08-02 09:54:41 UTC
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The fake Moody says that many of Lord Voldemort's followers claimed
that they had been under the influence of the Imperiatis Curse when
they did his bidding. The problem was how to sort out the liars. This
means that Truth Serum (which Snape would threaten Harry with later
that same movie) must not yet have been invented! Otherwise, it would
have been used to sort out the liars!
Presumably Legilimency could also have been used to detect who was
lying?
It may have been a question of scalability in both cases, e.g. if Truth
Serum is slow/expensive and difficult to produce (that is, if it
requires some extremely rare ingredients, or part of the procedure
involves leaving it to mature for twelve months before the next stage
can be completed) it may not be practical to employ it on everyone you
arrest. And if there are not many skilled Legilimens around (and they
tend to have other important jobs to do), then having one sit in on
every low-level interview of an alleged collaborator may not be a
priority either.
Yet Snape had enough that he could casually threaten Harry with it!
Benjamin Esham
2020-08-02 15:15:45 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
The fake Moody says that many of Lord Voldemort's followers claimed that
they had been under the influence of the Imperiatis Curse when they did
his bidding. The problem was how to sort out the liars. This means
that Truth Serum (which Snape would threaten Harry with later that same
movie) must not yet have been invented! Otherwise, it would have been
used to sort out the liars!
Presumably Legilimency could also have been used to detect who was lying?
It may have been a question of scalability in both cases, e.g. if Truth
Serum is slow/expensive and difficult to produce (that is, if it requires
some extremely rare ingredients, or part of the procedure involves
leaving it to mature for twelve months before the next stage can be
completed) it may not be practical to employ it on everyone you arrest.
[snip]
Yet Snape had enough that he could casually threaten Harry with it!
This doesn't necessarily contradict the idea that Truth Serum takes a lot of
time, money, or other resources to produce. Snape doesn't exactly seem to
have a vibrant personal life ;-) Especially before Voldemort came back, it's
hard to imagine he had many hobbies other than planning and carrying out
mean things he could do to Harry.

Benjamin
Benjamin Esham
2020-08-02 16:41:11 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
The fake Moody says that many of Lord Voldemort's followers claimed that
they had been under the influence of the Imperiatis Curse when they did
his bidding. The problem was how to sort out the liars. This means that
Truth Serum (which Snape would threaten Harry with later that same movie)
must not yet have been invented! Otherwise, it would have been used to
sort out the liars!
Presumably Legilimency could also have been used to detect who was lying?
It may have been a question of scalability in both cases [...] And if
there are not many skilled Legilimens around (and they tend to have other
important jobs to do), then having one sit in on every low-level interview
of an alleged collaborator may not be a priority either.
Trust in the Legilimens may have also been an issue. Someone who has taken
Truth Serum can make a statement in front of an entire courtroom, leaving
little room for doubt about their truthfulness or for disagreement afterward
on what they said. But if you're using a Legilimens to "read someone's
mind," you're putting all of your trust not only in their skill but also in
their fidelity. If the Legilimens simply lied about what they found in the
suspect's mind, no one would have been the wiser.

Setting aside the question of whether an Occlumens could have sailed through
this kind of interrogation [1], the atmosphere of mistrust that followed
Voldemort's fall might have made it politically unviable for the Ministry to
assume that any particular Legilimens was trustworthy. (And getting multiple
Legilimens involved in minor cases starts to fall on the wrong side of the
cost-benefit tradeoff, like you say.)


[1] If someone had the mental and magical strength to use Occlumency in this
way--and if they were widely known to have such strength--it may have
strained credulity for them to claim to have been put under the Imperius
Curse. Of course, that in itself doesn't seem like it should be sufficient
to send someone to Azkaban.

Benjamin

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