Discussion:
The name "Voldemort"
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Alex Bell
2004-09-16 02:29:58 UTC
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In a reply to the recent "Do you speak his name..." post, someone referred
to "Voldemort" as Tom Riddle's french alias, but there is more to it than
it's french meaning. I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page. Enormous amount of information that will
forever change (or affirm) your HP theories is available in different parts
of the site. Here is an entry from the name origins section-

Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy Merlin
before the time of King Arthur (Mr. Weasley?), by bewitching good people,
and simply bribing those who already were evil. Legend has it that Merlin
destroyed Voldermortist by using a simple paralyzing charm (full body
bind?), fed him to the many-headed-beast (Fluffy?) of the lake, the Lady of
the Lake's pet (Giant Squid?), freed the bewitched people, and destroyed the
evil men. That was maybe twelve, thirteen years before Arthur (how long it
was from Voldemort's destruction until Harry started Hogwarts). In French
means "thief of death" (meaning escaping death).
Richard Eney
2004-09-16 02:59:14 UTC
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Post by Alex Bell
I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page. Enormous amount of information that will
forever change (or affirm) your HP theories is available in different parts
of the site. Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy Merlin
before the time of King Arthur (Mr. Weasley?), by bewitching good people,
and simply bribing those who already were evil. Legend has it that Merlin
destroyed Voldermortist by using a simple paralyzing charm (full body
bind?), fed him to the many-headed-beast (Fluffy?) of the lake, the Lady of
the Lake's pet (Giant Squid?), freed the bewitched people, and destroyed the
evil men. That was maybe twelve, thirteen years before Arthur (how long it
was from Voldemort's destruction until Harry started Hogwarts). In French
means "thief of death" (meaning escaping death).
My question is: does www.mugglenet.com give the source of that "legend"?
I've read a reasonable amount of Arthurian stuff and I've never heard of
that before.

=Tamar
Brenda Krause
2004-09-16 03:06:27 UTC
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Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page. Enormous amount of information that will
forever change (or affirm) your HP theories is available in different parts
of the site. Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy Merlin
before the time of King Arthur (Mr. Weasley?), by bewitching good people,
and simply bribing those who already were evil. Legend has it that Merlin
destroyed Voldermortist by using a simple paralyzing charm (full body
bind?), fed him to the many-headed-beast (Fluffy?) of the lake, the Lady of
the Lake's pet (Giant Squid?), freed the bewitched people, and destroyed the
evil men. That was maybe twelve, thirteen years before Arthur (how long it
was from Voldemort's destruction until Harry started Hogwarts). In French
means "thief of death" (meaning escaping death).
My question is: does www.mugglenet.com give the source of that "legend"?
I've read a reasonable amount of Arthurian stuff and I've never heard of
that before.
=Tamar
The only place on the web that has that information (at least as of the last
time I heard the rumor a few months ago) is mugglenet, or links back to
mugglenet in some way (exact wording so you know it's lifted entirely).
There was another rumor on one of the sites about someone named Ron with red
hair who was killed protecting his best friend or something like that. And
another about Hagrid being a key-keeper in some legend. All of it sounds
really cool, but ultimately is traceable to only one unverifiable source.
Too bad, cuz it would be kinda cool.

B
Richard Eney
2004-09-16 03:14:34 UTC
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Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page.
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy
Merlin before the time of King Arthur
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
My question is: does www.mugglenet.com give the source of that "legend"?
I've read a reasonable amount of Arthurian stuff and I've never heard of
that before.
=Tamar
The only place on the web that has that information (at least as of the
last time I heard the rumor a few months ago) is mugglenet, or links back
to mugglenet in some way (exact wording so you know it's lifted
entirely).
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
ultimately is traceable to only one unverifiable source.
Too bad, cuz it would be kinda cool.
Hmm. I think before I believe a "legend has it", I'd like to know
the title and author of the book the legend was written down in.

=Tamar
Brenda Krause
2004-09-16 05:57:39 UTC
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Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page.
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy
Merlin before the time of King Arthur
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
My question is: does www.mugglenet.com give the source of that "legend"?
I've read a reasonable amount of Arthurian stuff and I've never heard of
that before.
=Tamar
The only place on the web that has that information (at least as of the
last time I heard the rumor a few months ago) is mugglenet, or links back
to mugglenet in some way (exact wording so you know it's lifted
entirely).
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
ultimately is traceable to only one unverifiable source.
Too bad, cuz it would be kinda cool.
Hmm. I think before I believe a "legend has it", I'd like to know
the title and author of the book the legend was written down in.
=Tamar
That's my point. I can't tell from your reply if you knew that was my point
or if you were taking me to task. I agree with you.

B
Richard Eney
2004-09-17 02:02:29 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
ultimately is traceable to only one unverifiable source.
Too bad, cuz it would be kinda cool.
Hmm. I think before I believe a "legend has it", I'd like to know
the title and author of the book the legend was written down in.
=Tamar
That's my point. I can't tell from your reply if you knew that was my
point or if you were taking me to task. I agree with you.
I apologize for my poor phrasing. I did see that that was your point,
and I was trying to emphasize it.

=Tamar
Mel
2004-09-17 15:44:29 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:57:39 -0400, Brenda Krause wrote in message
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not
many
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
people look beyond the first page.
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil"
or
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy
Merlin before the time of King Arthur
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
My question is: does www.mugglenet.com give the source of that
"legend"?
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
I've read a reasonable amount of Arthurian stuff and I've never heard
of
Post by Richard Eney
Post by Brenda Krause
Post by Richard Eney
that before.
=Tamar
The only place on the web that has that information (at least as of the
last time I heard the rumor a few months ago) is mugglenet, or links back
to mugglenet in some way (exact wording so you know it's lifted
entirely).
<snip>
Post by Brenda Krause
ultimately is traceable to only one unverifiable source.
Too bad, cuz it would be kinda cool.
Hmm. I think before I believe a "legend has it", I'd like to know
the title and author of the book the legend was written down in.
=Tamar
That's my point. I can't tell from your reply if you knew that was my point
or if you were taking me to task. I agree with you.
Voldermort appears in Draco's dream and says to him:

"Meet me tommorow in the Forbidden forest , try to bring a black horse
with you."

Draco wakes up in the morning very concerned, he can not find a horse,
then he meets Dolores and tries to get an advise from her , so he
tells her what he has been dreaming. On this Dolores says:

" Draco you prat, thats just a dream, common I'll come with you and
you will see that there is nothing then just a dream"

Then both of them go to the forbidden forest, and in deed nothing has
happend. But the next night Draco has another dream, this time
Voldermort was angry and said to him Draco you full, I told you to
bring a horse not a COW"

--
Mel

Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/

Dark Magic
2004-09-16 14:35:58 UTC
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Post by Richard Eney
Hmm. I think before I believe a "legend has it", I'd like to know
the title and author of the book the legend was written down in.
Legends, by their very nature, are oral traditions and therefore their
origins are always suspect. That is as true of the Bible as it is of the
King Arthur stories.

For what it's worth J.K. Rowling gave Muggle.net her stamp of approval this
month on her website. She enjoys the site very much and lauded the
editorials written there as being very "insightful".

Shannon
stark
2004-09-16 17:23:21 UTC
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Post by Dark Magic
Post by Richard Eney
Hmm. I think before I believe a "legend has it", I'd like to know
the title and author of the book the legend was written down in.
Legends, by their very nature, are oral traditions and therefore their
origins are always suspect. That is as true of the Bible as it is of the
King Arthur stories.
Its important to note that almost every oral tradition that Europe has,
including Arthurian legend and Beowulf (which was an oral story for
perhaps centuries before it was written down) has been committed to
paper (or parchment). For this "legend" to have escaped that until
someone at Muggle.net found it is just silly.

This "legend" is about as reliable as the myth of Hagrid Rubeus, keeper
of keys on Mount Olympus. That is, it is completely without any source
or fact to back it up.

And thats not even mentioning the horrible job they tried to do with
fabricating the myth. "Voldemortist" means 'Lord of Evil', and
"Voldemort" means 'Dark Lord'? Come on. What language do they presume
that to be from? Oh, right "another language". I have yet to find a
single site that has the first clue which language this might be, but we
shouldn't concern ourselves with that, should we? The theory makes
sense so long as you turn off any part of your brain which might even
accidentally try to use some sort of critical thinking about the theory.

There are plenty of sites that mention it, yet they all point to the
same source: Other Potter sites. No one seems to point to any outside
source. And most don't point to any source at all, and instead pretend
as if the information was always well known. They have the research
skills of your average 15 year old. Which may not be that unusual if
they are 15 year olds, but it's generally silly to trust your average 15
year old to rigorously research a topic for valid sources.

But then, why shouldn't we trust Potter fan sites? I mean, it's on the
web, it HAS to be true.
Post by Dark Magic
For what it's worth J.K. Rowling gave Muggle.net her stamp of approval this
month on her website. She enjoys the site very much and lauded the
editorials written there as being very "insightful".
Just because she said she likes it doesn't mean we should trust every
last thing Muggle.net has on it. This "legend" sounds just like the
"Hagrid Rubeus Myth" and the "Running Weasel Myth". As such, I'll
consider it patently false until someone can come up with even the first
shred of independant evidence.

I can make up myths just as well as the next person. And like them,
they don't become magically true just because I post them on the web.
--
stark

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Mad Hatter
2004-09-16 22:24:27 UTC
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*shivers* You spoke the name of he who must not be named!
Post by Alex Bell
In a reply to the recent "Do you speak his name..." post, someone referred
to "Voldemort" as Tom Riddle's french alias, but there is more to it than
it's french meaning. I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page. Enormous amount of information that will
forever change (or affirm) your HP theories is available in different parts
of the site. Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy Merlin
before the time of King Arthur (Mr. Weasley?), by bewitching good people,
and simply bribing those who already were evil. Legend has it that Merlin
destroyed Voldermortist by using a simple paralyzing charm (full body
bind?), fed him to the many-headed-beast (Fluffy?) of the lake, the Lady of
the Lake's pet (Giant Squid?), freed the bewitched people, and destroyed the
evil men. That was maybe twelve, thirteen years before Arthur (how long it
was from Voldemort's destruction until Harry started Hogwarts). In French
means "thief of death" (meaning escaping death).
Raymond Dillon, Jr.
2004-09-16 23:54:44 UTC
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How about "vol de morte"; "flight from death"?
Post by Alex Bell
In a reply to the recent "Do you speak his name..." post, someone referred
to "Voldemort" as Tom Riddle's french alias, but there is more to it than
it's french meaning. I think that this is a good opportunity to remind all
of you about www.mugglenet.com . Mugglenet is a massive site but not many
people look beyond the first page. Enormous amount of information that will
forever change (or affirm) your HP theories is available in different parts
of the site. Here is an entry from the name origins section-
Voldemort, Lord - There was a dark wizard in medieval times named
Voldermortist. In another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil" or
"Dark Lord". Legend has it that Voldermortist once tried to destroy Merlin
before the time of King Arthur (Mr. Weasley?), by bewitching good people,
and simply bribing those who already were evil. Legend has it that Merlin
destroyed Voldermortist by using a simple paralyzing charm (full body
bind?), fed him to the many-headed-beast (Fluffy?) of the lake, the Lady of
the Lake's pet (Giant Squid?), freed the bewitched people, and destroyed the
evil men. That was maybe twelve, thirteen years before Arthur (how long it
was from Voldemort's destruction until Harry started Hogwarts). In French
means "thief of death" (meaning escaping death).
Alex Bell
2004-09-17 00:32:50 UTC
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Post by Raymond Dillon, Jr.
How about "vol de morte"; "flight from death"?
Did you read my WHOLE post? Clearly not. The french meaning is mentioned
too. Many of Jo's names have two meaning and that is part of her genius.
Check out some of the other name entries on the sight and you will
understand what I mean. My favourite is Remus Lupin, I know my Roman
mythology so Remus was obvious to me and I knew that lupine means wolf-like,
but I never would have realised that the whole name forms an anagram aswell.
Richard Eney
2004-09-17 02:06:59 UTC
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Post by Alex Bell
Post by Raymond Dillon, Jr.
How about "vol de morte"; "flight from death"?
Did you read my WHOLE post? Clearly not. The french meaning is mentioned
too. Many of Jo's names have two meaning and that is part of her genius.
Check out some of the other name entries on the sight and you will
understand what I mean. My favourite is Remus Lupin, I know my Roman
mythology so Remus was obvious to me and I knew that lupine means wolf-like,
but I never would have realised that the whole name forms an anagram aswell.
remus lupin = prune musli

It sounds like a healthy breakfast, but not otherwise very helpful. 8-)

=Tamar
Alex Bell
2004-09-17 11:30:21 UTC
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Post by Richard Eney
Post by Alex Bell
Post by Raymond Dillon, Jr.
How about "vol de morte"; "flight from death"?
Did you read my WHOLE post? Clearly not. The french meaning is mentioned
too. Many of Jo's names have two meaning and that is part of her genius.
Check out some of the other name entries on the sight and you will
understand what I mean. My favourite is Remus Lupin, I know my Roman
mythology so Remus was obvious to me and I knew that lupine means wolf-like,
but I never would have realised that the whole name forms an anagram aswell.
remus lupin = prune musli
It sounds like a healthy breakfast, but not otherwise very helpful. 8-)
=Tamar
primus lune, latin for "first moon". Could be the full moon depending on
where you choose to begin the cycle.
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