Discussion:
THE WEDDING
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Fred Z
2008-05-06 13:51:44 UTC
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WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.

SMART-ALEC SUMMARY: Harry pays absolutely no attention to Bill and
Fleur for ninety-nine percent of the chapter. Typical teenager.

WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I FIRST READ IT: A beautiful chapter.

WHAT I THOUGHT ON REREADING: I had completely forgotten that the
twists at the end occur in this chapter. Yikes!

IT HELPS TO KNOW: that Patronuses are how members of the Order of the
Phoenix communicate with each other.

I WISH J.K. ROWLING HAD ... shown Bill and Fleur speaking their vows
and showed magic happening as they did.

I WISH J.K. ROWLING HAD ... invited Anthony LaPaglia from Frasier to
make an appearance as a drunken Weasley cousin.

I BEG TO DIFFER: Wasn't the whole Harry as Barny impersonation a bit
too risky?

WHY I LOVE J. K. ROWLING:
* The passage where Rowling says that Fleur's beauty usually dimmed
those around her, today it beautified them.
* The gobsmacking moments at the end when Harry learns in quick
succession that Albus Dumbledore is from Godric's Hollow, that the
Ministry of Magic, has fallen and that Rufus Scrimgeour (aka The Man
Formerly Thought To Be The Half-Blood Prince) is dead.

STARS: 7/7

WHY: I love weddings, and there is a bravura ending.

HERO: Luna Lovegood, because she recognizes Harry by his expression.

GOAT(1): Aunt Muriel.

GOAT(2): Elphias Doge. What a terrible defense attorney!

GOAT(3): Albus "I forgot to mention I'm from Godric's Hollow"
Dumbledore

BIGGEST PLOT HOLE: How is it possible that Voldemort didn't get an
invitation to the wedding?

FORESHADOWED: "When I get married," said Fred. I hate, and love, that
J.K.R. takes this opportunity to remind us of everything that Fred
will miss out on when he DIES later in the book. Aaagh.

VERY FUNNY ��: "Vot," said Krum, "is the point of being an
international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are
taken?"

REMINDS ME OF: My Big Fat Weasley Wedding.
santosh
2008-05-12 19:43:54 UTC
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Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?

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Thom Madura
2008-05-12 21:17:47 UTC
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Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
<snip>
Although it might be NOW - I did make a post before the book saying that
I expected someone to get killed at the wedding.
santosh
2008-05-12 21:29:28 UTC
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Post by Thom Madura
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
<snip>
Although it might be NOW - I did make a post before the book saying
that I expected someone to get killed at the wedding.
Huh!?

My question was directed at the comparison that the OP (Fred Z) made
between the Wedding and the Iraq war. Many wedding parties have
perished in bomb attacks (both in Iraq and Afghanistan) and I thought
that flippant comment was lacking in tact.
Deevo
2008-05-12 22:13:00 UTC
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Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the times we
live in.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
santosh
2008-05-12 23:11:29 UTC
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Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the times
we live in.
Yes of course it's accurate, but IMO, that doesn't stop it from being in
poor taste. Anyway let's shelve this before a flamefest develops, like
the one in that other thread.
Deevo
2008-05-13 11:02:55 UTC
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Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the times
we live in.
Yes of course it's accurate, but IMO, that doesn't stop it from being in
poor taste. Anyway let's shelve this before a flamefest develops, like
the one in that other thread.
Bugger them, I'm fed up with walking on eggs not saying anything because
some ponce will find it 'offensive'. That kind of attitude is what's
killing rational discussion.
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Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
santosh
2008-05-16 21:19:54 UTC
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Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the
times we live in.
Yes of course it's accurate, but IMO, that doesn't stop it from being
in poor taste. Anyway let's shelve this before a flamefest develops,
like the one in that other thread.
Bugger them,
Whom?
Post by Deevo
I'm fed up with walking on eggs not saying anything because
some ponce will find it 'offensive'. That kind of attitude is what's
killing rational discussion.
I'm not saying it was offensive or that you shouldn't say it, but that
any reader of this group who was somehow affected by a car bomb in Iraq
(or elsewhere; and yes I know, this is extremely unlikely) would likely
find that comment rather insensitive, to say the least.
Deevo
2008-05-16 21:53:07 UTC
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Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the
times we live in.
Yes of course it's accurate, but IMO, that doesn't stop it from being
in poor taste. Anyway let's shelve this before a flamefest develops,
like the one in that other thread.
Bugger them,
Whom?
Those who wish to make the discussion a 'flamefest'.
Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
I'm fed up with walking on eggs not saying anything because
some ponce will find it 'offensive'. That kind of attitude is what's
killing rational discussion.
I'm not saying it was offensive or that you shouldn't say it, but that
any reader of this group who was somehow affected by a car bomb in Iraq
(or elsewhere; and yes I know, this is extremely unlikely) would likely
find that comment rather insensitive, to say the least.
Like I said, bugger them. I don't believe that it is either appropriate or
necessary to avoid making a comment because it might offend someone, all
that does is pander to the PC crowd who are the most intolerant and bigoted
hypocrites of the lot.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
santosh
2008-05-16 22:51:44 UTC
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Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a
car bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the
times we live in.
Yes of course it's accurate, but IMO, that doesn't stop it from
being in poor taste. Anyway let's shelve this before a flamefest
develops, like the one in that other thread.
Bugger them,
Whom?
Those who wish to make the discussion a 'flamefest'.
Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
I'm fed up with walking on eggs not saying anything because
some ponce will find it 'offensive'. That kind of attitude is
what's killing rational discussion.
I'm not saying it was offensive or that you shouldn't say it, but
that any reader of this group who was somehow affected by a car bomb
in Iraq (or elsewhere; and yes I know, this is extremely unlikely)
would likely find that comment rather insensitive, to say the least.
Like I said, bugger them. I don't believe that it is either
appropriate or necessary to avoid making a comment because it might
offend someone, all that does is pander to the PC crowd who are the
most intolerant and bigoted hypocrites of the lot.
Well how you confused considerateness with PC is beyond me. Anyway I
give up. This is not worth it.
Deevo
2008-05-17 06:48:53 UTC
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Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Like I said, bugger them. I don't believe that it is either
appropriate or necessary to avoid making a comment because it might
offend someone, all that does is pander to the PC crowd who are the
most intolerant and bigoted hypocrites of the lot.
Well how you confused considerateness with PC is beyond me.
I haven't. I just refuse to walk on eggshells for fear of offending some do
gooder.
Post by santosh
Anyway I give up. This is not worth it.
Which is what I've been saying all along.
--
Deevo
Fred Z
2008-05-13 14:13:24 UTC
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Post by santosh
Post by Deevo
Post by santosh
Post by Fred Z
WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE PUBLICATION: Bill and Fleur, what a lovely
couple! They'll be lucky to get through the wedding without a car
bomb going off. Oh, wait, this isn't Iraq.
Don't you think this is in poor taste?
Nope, I personally think it's an accurate representation of the times
we live in.
Yes of course it's accurate, but IMO, that doesn't stop it from being in
poor taste. Anyway let's shelve this before a flamefest develops, like
the one in that other thread.
I agree both that it is an accurate representation of the times we
live in and that it was in poor taste. I apologize.
DaveD
2008-05-18 20:51:35 UTC
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"Fred Z" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:436870c9-79a9-49cc-b948-***@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...


<snip>


<quote>
WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I FIRST READ IT: A beautiful chapter.

WHAT I THOUGHT ON REREADING: I had completely forgotten that the
twists at the end occur in this chapter. Yikes!

</quote>

I thought the appearance near the end of the chapter of Kingsley's
patronus - "The Ministry has fallen..." - was stunningly chilling.
Absolutely brilliantly done.

DaveD
Drusilla
2008-05-22 03:15:19 UTC
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Post by Fred Z
SMART-ALEC SUMMARY: Harry pays absolutely no attention to Bill and
Fleur for ninety-nine percent of the chapter. Typical teenager.
LOL
Post by Fred Z
IT HELPS TO KNOW: that Patronuses are how members of the Order of the
Phoenix communicate with each other.
Didn't we already know that?
Post by Fred Z
I WISH J.K. ROWLING HAD ... invited Anthony LaPaglia from Frasier to
make an appearance as a drunken Weasley cousin.
Drunken cousins rule!
Post by Fred Z
* The passage where Rowling says that Fleur's beauty usually dimmed
those around her, today it beautified them.
Cheeeeeesy!
Post by Fred Z
HERO: Luna Lovegood, because she recognizes Harry by his expression.
Luna is cool, that's sure.
Post by Fred Z
VERY FUNNY 时: "Vot," said Krum, "is the point of being an
international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are
taken?"
One of the funniest lines in the whole series.
Post by Fred Z
REMINDS ME OF: My Big Fat Weasley Wedding.
Too bad we didn't get to see Harry and Ginny's wedding :/
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DaveD
2008-05-24 18:31:38 UTC
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Post by Drusilla
Post by Fred Z
SMART-ALEC SUMMARY: Harry pays absolutely no attention to Bill and
Fleur for ninety-nine percent of the chapter. Typical teenager.
LOL
Post by Fred Z
IT HELPS TO KNOW: that Patronuses are how members of the Order of the
Phoenix communicate with each other.
Didn't we already know that?
Yes, as in the first part of HBP when Tonks sends a patronus to alert the
school (Snape) that Harry's safe after she rescues him from the Hogwarts
train. Not sure if there are any earlier examples.
Post by Drusilla
Post by Fred Z
* The passage where Rowling says that Fleur's beauty usually dimmed
those around her, today it beautified them.
Cheeeeeesy!
You think so? I thought it was lovely, a really nice way of describing it!!


DaveD
Deevo
2008-05-24 23:06:33 UTC
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Post by DaveD
Post by Drusilla
Post by Fred Z
SMART-ALEC SUMMARY: Harry pays absolutely no attention to Bill and
Fleur for ninety-nine percent of the chapter. Typical teenager.
LOL
Post by Fred Z
IT HELPS TO KNOW: that Patronuses are how members of the Order of the
Phoenix communicate with each other.
Didn't we already know that?
Yes, as in the first part of HBP when Tonks sends a patronus to alert the
school (Snape) that Harry's safe after she rescues him from the Hogwarts
train. Not sure if there are any earlier examples.
There is one, though it isn't explicitely identified, from GOF where
Dumbledore calls Hagrid with 'something silvery' from his wand when he and
Harry found Krum unconcious.
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Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Drusilla
2008-06-05 04:03:17 UTC
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Post by Deevo
Post by DaveD
Post by Drusilla
Post by Fred Z
SMART-ALEC SUMMARY: Harry pays absolutely no attention to Bill and
Fleur for ninety-nine percent of the chapter. Typical teenager.
LOL
Post by Fred Z
IT HELPS TO KNOW: that Patronuses are how members of the Order of the
Phoenix communicate with each other.
Didn't we already know that?
Yes, as in the first part of HBP when Tonks sends a patronus to alert the
school (Snape) that Harry's safe after she rescues him from the Hogwarts
train. Not sure if there are any earlier examples.
There is one, though it isn't explicitely identified, from GOF where
Dumbledore calls Hagrid with 'something silvery' from his wand when he and
Harry found Krum unconcious.
Rowling told us about before HBP. Apparently the original poster didn't
know about that.
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