SPOILER: Harry can't be an Auror

Post by jdtiger
He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested by any
wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of natural causes like
DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the wand on to another wizard.

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand

who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

d***@gmail.com

2007-07-25 20:58:25 UTC

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

The other person would have to take possesion of his wand in order to
truly become master of it. A simple expeliamus charm would only
disarm him, the other person would have to take and keep his wand.

Nate Edel

2007-07-25 21:28:44 UTC

(spoiler space)

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

That's not the implication of the book, as it implies that Draco Malfoy was
the master of the wand before Harry, but he never took possession of it.

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Welsh Dog

2007-07-25 23:24:05 UTC

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

Nope... Harry defeated Draco who was the wand's master... but
Voldemort had the actual wand. Draco never ever actually held the
wand in his hand!!

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2007-07-26 00:13:38 UTC

Post by Welsh Dog

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

Nope... Harry defeated Draco who was the wand's master... but
Voldemort had the actual wand. Draco never ever actually held the
wand in his hand!!
Welshdog
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I thought the author planned the way Voldemort was killed before the
she made up the way the magic works.

Sirius Kase

2007-07-26 01:35:39 UTC

Post by y

Post by Welsh Dog

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

I thought the author planned the way Voldemort was killed before the
she made up the way the magic works.

Yeah, I'm not sure the sequence follows logically. It's not the first
time I read Harry explaining something complicated and thinking "WTF,
how does he get that?" It's quite possible that since he thought that
was how it worked, he had the gumption to stand there and disarm
Voldemort. Not because he was right, but because he thought he was
right and therefore didn't let fear weaken him. But, there is notiing
in the text to indicate that Rowling had that in mind.

I do think she wanted us to understand that you don't have to kill the
possessor of the elder wand in order to become it's master. But, I
don't quite see Harry taking by force a completely different wand from
Draco as being the sort of victory that the elder wand would be
influenced by. If I was editing this bit, I would make Harry the
master of the wand only when he disarmed Voldemort. Draco may have
disarmed Dumbledore, but he left the wand behind for whoever prepared
Dumbledore's body for burial to place in the tomb. Draco never took
possession so how could the wand be considered his to lose?

Barbarossa

2007-07-25 21:04:54 UTC

Post by jdtiger
He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested
by any wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of
natural causes like DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the
wand on to another wizard.

But if he is ever expeliarmused he is technically defeated so
the other person could claim the wand.
Who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny I personally
would encase it in cement in the basement of Grimmald Place.

Barbarossa:

I got the impression that the Wand was going back into DD's
repaired and sealed tomb.

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Welsh Dog

2007-07-26 01:53:22 UTC

Post by Barbarossa

Post by jdtiger
He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested
by any wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of
natural causes like DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the
wand on to another wizard.

I got the impression that the Wand was going back into DD's
repaired and sealed tomb.

That *is* what he appeared to say...

From the book:
Im putting the Elder Wand, he told Dumbledore, who was watching him
with enormous affection and admiration, back where it came from. It
can stay there."

Not such a bad idea especially if even someone like Ron was looking at
it eagerly... we know how much Ron wanted to be the top dog for a
change!

Ron 'recovering' the wand might be a good opening for a fan-fic set in
the future :)

Welshdog

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Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 06:23:34 UTC

Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:04:54 -0700, Barbarossa <***@ucsd.edu>
: wrote:
:>jdtiger wrote:
:
:>> > He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested
:>> > by any wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of
:>> > natural causes like DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the
:>> > wand on to another wizard.
:
:><***@wongfaye.com> wrote:
:
:>> But if he is ever expeliarmused he is technically defeated so
:>> the other person could claim the wand.
:>>
:>> Who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny I personally
:>> would encase it in cement in the basement of Grimmald Place.
:
:>Barbarossa:
:
:> I got the impression that the Wand was going back into DD's
:>repaired and sealed tomb.
:
: That *is* what he appeared to say...
:
: From the book:
: ?I?m putting the Elder Wand,? he told Dumbledore, who was watching him
: with enormous affection and admiration, ?back where it came from. It
: can stay there."
:
: Not such a bad idea especially if even someone like Ron was looking at
: it eagerly... we know how much Ron wanted to be the top dog for a
: change!
:
: Ron 'recovering' the wand might be a good opening for a fan-fic set in
: the future :)
:
: Welshdog

My Mindfic sees Harry murdered for the wand,
NOT by a friend,but by an adoring relative
of Vincent Crabbe...the wand is taken by the
villainess and his children face the trouble
of recovering things...

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Drusilla

2007-08-12 06:24:38 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>> > He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested
:>> > by any wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of
:>> > natural causes like DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the
:>> > wand on to another wizard.
:>> But if he is ever expeliarmused he is technically defeated so
:>> the other person could claim the wand.
:>>
:>> Who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny I personally
:>> would encase it in cement in the basement of Grimmald Place.
:> I got the impression that the Wand was going back into DD's
:>repaired and sealed tomb.
: That *is* what he appeared to say...
: ?I?m putting the Elder Wand,? he told Dumbledore, who was watching him
: with enormous affection and admiration, ?back where it came from. It
: can stay there."
: Not such a bad idea especially if even someone like Ron was looking at
: it eagerly... we know how much Ron wanted to be the top dog for a
: change!
: Ron 'recovering' the wand might be a good opening for a fan-fic set in
: the future :)
: Welshdog
My Mindfic sees Harry murdered for the wand,
NOT by a friend,but by an adoring relative
of Vincent Crabbe...the wand is taken by the
villainess and his children face the trouble
of recovering things...

You have WONDERFUL ideas... and you're kinda Crucio-ing us saying you
won't write your fanfic...

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 22:01:35 UTC

Drusilla <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:
: Louis Epstein escribi?:
:> Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:> : On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:04:54 -0700, Barbarossa <***@ucsd.edu>
:> : wrote:
:> :>jdtiger wrote:
:> :
:> :>> > He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested
:> :>> > by any wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of
:> :>> > natural causes like DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the
:> :>> > wand on to another wizard.
:> :
:> :><***@wongfaye.com> wrote:
:> :
:> :>> But if he is ever expeliarmused he is technically defeated so
:> :>> the other person could claim the wand.
:> :>>
:> :>> Who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny I personally
:> :>> would encase it in cement in the basement of Grimmald Place.
:> :
:> :>Barbarossa:
:> :
:> :> I got the impression that the Wand was going back into DD's
:> :>repaired and sealed tomb.
:> :
:> : That *is* what he appeared to say...
:> :
:> : From the book:
:> : ?I?m putting the Elder Wand,? he told Dumbledore, who was watching him
:> : with enormous affection and admiration, ?back where it came from. It
:> : can stay there."
:> :
:> : Not such a bad idea especially if even someone like Ron was looking at
:> : it eagerly... we know how much Ron wanted to be the top dog for a
:> : change!
:> :
:> : Ron 'recovering' the wand might be a good opening for a fan-fic set in
:> : the future :)
:> :
:> : Welshdog
:>
:> My Mindfic sees Harry murdered for the wand,
:> NOT by a friend,but by an adoring relative
:> of Vincent Crabbe...the wand is taken by the
:> villainess and his children face the trouble
:> of recovering things...
:
: You have WONDERFUL ideas... and you're kinda Crucio-ing us saying you
: won't write your fanfic...

Well,writing fanfic isn't my thing...seems disrespectful to the
original author and unproductive for the imagining writer's talent...
though whenever I read my mind spawns potential extensions.

If you email me I may put together a not-quite-outline of what
would be in this story,which doubtless would add up to something
far less attractive as a whole than the tidbits I've been scattering
on the NG.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

mueckelein

2007-07-25 21:07:42 UTC

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

As someone before proposed: snap it in half! As the only wand that can
ment broken wands is the elder wand itsself that should be it!

Cathy Weeks

2007-07-26 00:49:53 UTC

Post by mueckelein

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

As someone before proposed: snap it in half! As the only wand that can
ment broken wands is the elder wand itsself that should be it!

I agree. I think it was dumb of Harry (but not out-of-character) to
not destroy the damned thing. Snap it in half, THEN put it back in the
tomb.

Cathy Weeks

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 06:26:02 UTC

Cathy Weeks <***@weeksfamily.net> wrote:
: On Jul 25, 4:07 pm, mueckelein <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> On 25 Jul., 22:44, "***@wongfaye.com" <***@wongfaye.com>
:> wrote:
:>
:> > On Jul 25, 1:20 pm, jdtiger <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:>
:> > > He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested by any
:> > > wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of natural causes like
:> > > DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the wand on to another wizard.
:>
:> > but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
:> > person could claim the wand
:>
:> > who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
:> > encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place
:>
:> As someone before proposed: snap it in half! As the only wand that can
:> ment broken wands is the elder wand itsself that should be it!
:
: I agree. I think it was dumb of Harry (but not out-of-character) to
: not destroy the damned thing. Snap it in half, THEN put it back in the
: tomb.

I don't agree with Harry's contention that there's anything
wrong with it.It is better for good guys to accumulate power
than to try to set a maximum power limit only bad guys will
break.

(I support gun control,but believe that global nuclear disarmament
would be a DISASTER for the cause of world peace...if one extends
the WW II metaphors of DH I suppose that the Elder Wand is the
"A-Bomb".I know Rowling has admitted "left-wing" politics...does
she support CND?)

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Toon

2007-08-12 14:32:17 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
(I support gun control,but believe that global nuclear disarmament
would be a DISASTER for the cause of world peace...

Right. Aliens with slingshots might invade and conqueror us without
our Nukes.

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 22:02:50 UTC

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 01:26:02 -0500, Louis Epstein <***@main.put.com>
: wrote:
:
:>(I support gun control,but believe that global nuclear disarmament
:>would be a DISASTER for the cause of world peace...
:
: Right. Aliens with slingshots might invade and conqueror us without
: our Nukes.

Nope,we'll feel confident in our ability to survive all-out conventional
wars and engage in them constantly in the absence of any fear they can
go too far.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Matt Frisch

2007-08-13 07:25:29 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
(I support gun control,but believe that global nuclear disarmament
would be a DISASTER for the cause of world peace...

Right. Aliens with slingshots might invade and conqueror us without
our Nukes.

We just need to save our boards with a nail through them, and any aliens
will be defeated.

Welsh Dog

2007-07-25 23:22:39 UTC

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

I thought he said he would return it to DD's tomb??

From the book:

Im putting the Elder Wand, he told Dumbledore, who was
watching him with enormous affection and admiration, back
where it came from."

I took that to mean the tomb anyway...

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doofy

2007-07-26 02:42:48 UTC

but if he is ever expeliamused he is technically defeated so the other
person could claim the wand
who knows where he will hide the wand of destiny i personally would
encase it in cement in the basement of grimmald place

I think he said it goes back in DD crypt.

That Guy

2007-07-25 23:08:46 UTC

Why didn't they just destroy the wand? Was it indestructible?

Sirius Kase

2007-07-26 01:25:28 UTC

Post by That Guy

Why didn't they just destroy the wand? Was it indestructible?

Why not? It wouldn't be the first magical object that could defend
itself. The Resurrection Stone was turned into a horcrux, cracked,
etc, but it still functioned. I don't know of the Cloak or the Wand
being similarly abused, but even if they don't defend themselves, they
might be indestructable. I don't see anyone cautionaing Harry to take
better care of his cloak.

Welsh Dog

2007-07-26 02:17:35 UTC

Post by Sirius Kase

Post by That Guy

Why didn't they just destroy the wand? Was it indestructible?

When you think what he *did* to that cloak it should have been obvious
it was pretty sturdy to say the least.

He left it on the floor all around Hogwarts.... he never took any care
of it despite Ron having told him they were expensive and rare from
book one... let alone how much use he put it to! Any normal garment
would have been ripped to shreds :)

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Rich Billionaire

2007-07-26 07:50:11 UTC

Why not just destroy the elder wand with a basilisk fang and be done
with it? If that'll destroy a horcrux, shouldn't it destroy a wand?
Look how easy it was to break harry's phoenix wand.

IsaacKuo

2007-07-26 17:27:00 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Why not just destroy the elder wand with a basilisk fang and be done
with it? If that'll destroy a horcrux, shouldn't it destroy a wand?
Look how easy it was to break harry's phoenix wand.

One of the other Deathly Hallows was assaulted by basilisk
venom and survived--even though the Horcrux within it
was destroyed. So there's no reason to expect basilisk
venom would destroy the Elder Wand either.

Isaac Kuo

Hoshisato

2007-07-26 08:47:35 UTC

I never really cared for Harry becoming an Auror as a career choice;
to me it was like a kid wanting to become a policeman or a fireman.

Alex Regh

2007-07-26 11:23:11 UTC

Post by Hoshisato
I never really cared for Harry becoming an Auror as a career choice;
to me it was like a kid wanting to become a policeman or a fireman.

Yes, well, but then, some kids to exactly that -- and good thing too, or we
would have neither.

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Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 06:27:44 UTC

Hoshisato <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Jul 25, 9:20 pm, jdtiger <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:> He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested by any
:> wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of natural causes like
:> DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the wand on to another wizard.
:
: I never really cared for Harry becoming an Auror as a career choice;
: to me it was like a kid wanting to become a policeman or a fireman.
:

But Rowling assures us he became Head of the Auror Office.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Toon

2007-08-12 14:42:40 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:> He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested by any
:> wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of natural causes like
:> DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the wand on to another wizard.
: I never really cared for Harry becoming an Auror as a career choice;
: to me it was like a kid wanting to become a policeman or a fireman.
But Rowling assures us he became Head of the Auror Office.

What the heck does she know? She only wrote it, planned it, and told
everybody that's what she wants to happen to Harry.

Dragon Rider

2007-08-12 16:56:44 UTC

Completely off-topic, Louis, I really enjoy reading your posts and
understand you're making up for the thousands you haven't read yet...
but ressurecting pre-July-30th threads and answering again and again
things people didn't know before Rowling's interview is just bizarre!

There's a reason these threads died: JKR's answers made them obsolete.
Let them RIP!

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 22:03:47 UTC

Dragon Rider <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:
: Louis Epstein escreveu:
:
:> Hoshisato <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:> : On Jul 25, 9:20 pm, jdtiger <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:> :> He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested by any
:> :> wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of natural causes like
:> :> DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the wand on to another wizard.
:> :
:> : I never really cared for Harry becoming an Auror as a career choice;
:> : to me it was like a kid wanting to become a policeman or a fireman.
:> :
:>
:> But Rowling assures us he became Head of the Auror Office.
:
: Completely off-topic, Louis, I really enjoy reading your posts and
: understand you're making up for the thousands you haven't read yet...
: but ressurecting pre-July-30th threads and answering again and again
: things people didn't know before Rowling's interview is just bizarre!
:
: There's a reason these threads died: JKR's answers made them obsolete.
: Let them RIP!
:

I'm busy catching up on all the old threads and therefore
completing their dialogue for the historical record.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Welsh Dog

2007-08-12 22:10:33 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:> :> He won't carry the Elder wand and he can't risk being bested by any
:> :> wizard or it would pass on. Harry needs to die of natural causes like
:> :> DD hoped to in order to NOT pass the wand on to another wizard.
:> : I never really cared for Harry becoming an Auror as a career choice;
:> : to me it was like a kid wanting to become a policeman or a fireman.
:> But Rowling assures us he became Head of the Auror Office.
: Completely off-topic, Louis, I really enjoy reading your posts and
: understand you're making up for the thousands you haven't read yet...
: but ressurecting pre-July-30th threads and answering again and again
: things people didn't know before Rowling's interview is just bizarre!
: There's a reason these threads died: JKR's answers made them obsolete.
: Let them RIP!
I'm busy catching up on all the old threads and therefore
completing their dialogue for the historical record.

Best of luck... I gave up trying to keep up! I just try to cope with
the new posts as they arrive and stay in touch with the older more
interesting threads even if I don't take part in them. :)

Welshdog

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Rich Billionaire

2007-07-26 16:39:33 UTC

Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
the auror department! In fact she says they become the greatest auror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Froggy

2007-07-26 21:38:57 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
the auror department! In fact she says they become the greatest auror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Or simply snapped in half like a twig.

--
Froggy

Krupa

2007-08-07 02:52:03 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

It's not just like being a policeman/fireman...
Aurors require TOP GRADES and elite TRAINING. Unlike the real world,
you're better off if you're, law enforcement agencies in Harry Potter
want only smart people

Ron Hunter

2007-08-07 09:49:02 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Law enforcement agencies in the US tend to NOT hire the smartest people
as statistics indicate they don't stay cops long. Taking people with
more average school performance seems to work out better for the 'run of
the mill' agencies, with the elite ones taking the guys (and gals) with
the higher grades, and the sharper minds.

Sue H

2007-08-07 14:07:47 UTC

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Or who they know; or not hire someone based on biased or predjudice.
It's been my experience that intellegence does not supercede nepitism
etc.

Toon

2007-08-08 14:05:06 UTC

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Because who wants a smart person solving crimes anyway? If smart
people were cops, Boudler Co police might have figured out Jon Benet
was killed.

Timothy Bruening

2016-07-28 20:03:54 UTC

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Is THAT why we have had a rash of cops killing people for what seems to be insufficient provocation!

Sue H

2007-08-07 14:06:36 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Oh I don't believe that. When talking about the ministry, there did
seem to be some people offering to get Harry in (and he's not getting
top grades) strictly because he's famous. Like most fallable
societies, I saw a few incidents here where undeserving people being
controlled/offered jobs and deserving people not being allowed to
advance (Arthur Weasley; though he did get promoted in the end).

Ron Hunter

2007-08-07 17:52:13 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Well, let's see. YOu go to college, and you outright fail English, so
you can't get a degree. Ten years later, you invent a device that
revolutionizes the transportation, and communications industries. Now
you want to get a job teaching at M.I.T. Do you REALLY think they
wouldn't find a way to waive that English requirement?

Toon

2007-08-08 14:08:28 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Look at Bill Gates. Dropped out of college, and now Microsoft. He
could get many thigns not normally afforded to a drop out. Any
computer company would love him working for them. None of them will
go, Ge Billy, we'd love to hire you, but gosh darn it, no College
diploma (OK, so now he's goen abck to finsih, or did finish, but you
get my point).

So, what's Kinglesy gonna say? Harry defeated Voldemort time and
again, or, but he didn't pass his tests and finish at Hogwarts? The
former, and use his skills and experience to help better the wizarding
world.

Sue H

2007-08-08 15:29:38 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Look at Bill Gates. Dropped out of college, and now Microsoft. He
could get many thigns not normally afforded to a drop out. Any
computer company would love him working for them. None of them will
go, Ge Billy, we'd love to hire you, but gosh darn it, no College
diploma (OK, so now he's goen abck to finsih, or did finish, but you
get my point).
So, what's Kinglesy gonna say? Harry defeated Voldemort time and
again, or, but he didn't pass his tests and finish at Hogwarts? The
former, and use his skills and experience to help better the wizarding
world.

In this case, it's irrelevant. However, if someone failed all their
math classes, I don't see them becoming a math teacher! It's all
relative...

Toon

2007-08-09 10:29:42 UTC

Post by Toon
So, what's Kinglesy gonna say? Harry defeated Voldemort time and
again, or, but he didn't pass his tests and finish at Hogwarts? The
former, and use his skills and experience to help better the wizarding
world.

In this case, it's irrelevant. However, if someone failed all their
math classes, I don't see them becoming a math teacher! It's all
relative...

Those who can't, teach. I can't juggle, but I can teach others to
juggle.

Toon

2007-08-07 18:04:39 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Unlike in America, where there's a maximum IQ to be a cop. Anyone over
is not admitted, because they'll get bored on the job. Because, who
wants smart cops solving crimes anyway?

Ron Hunter

2007-08-08 08:32:29 UTC

Post by Rich Billionaire
Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
experts ever and revolutionize the department.
Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
suggested.

Unlike in America, where there's a maximum IQ to be a cop. Anyone over
is not admitted, because they'll get bored on the job. Because, who
wants smart cops solving crimes anyway?

It's not that bad, but there is a strong tendency to avoid hiring very
bright people for very boring jobs. They just don't stay.

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 06:30:54 UTC

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:52:03 -0000, Krupa <***@gmail.com>
: wrote:
:
:>On Jul 26, 12:39 pm, Rich Billionaire <***@billionairesclub.com>
:>wrote:
:>> Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
:>> She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
:>> theaurordepartment! In fact she says they become the greatestauror
:>> experts ever and revolutionize the department.
:>> Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
:>> suggested.
:>
:>It's not just like being a policeman/fireman...
:>Aurors require TOP GRADES and elite TRAINING. Unlike the real world,
:>you're better off if you're, law enforcement agencies in Harry Potter
:>want only smart people
:
: Unlike in America, where there's a maximum IQ to be a cop. Anyone over
: is not admitted, because they'll get bored on the job. Because, who
: wants smart cops solving crimes anyway?

But an FBI Special Agent needs to have a law degree
(I don't think they need to pass the bar exam though).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 06:28:41 UTC

Rich Billionaire <***@billionairesclub.com> wrote:
:
: Did you guys read the interview with JK Rowling?
: She said that Harry and Ron do become Aurors, and Harry is THE HEAD of
: the auror department! In fact she says they become the greatest auror
: experts ever and revolutionize the department.
: Maybe Harry destroyed the elder wand with a basilisk fang like I
: suggested.

Maybe he realized that having a topnotch wand was a better thing
than he thought it was when he was a teenager.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Froggy

2007-07-26 21:37:13 UTC

In JKR's interview this morning on U.S. television, she stated that
Harry and Ron were Aurors.

--
Froggy

Toon

2007-07-31 14:29:16 UTC

Yet JK says he becomes one.

jdtiger

2007-07-31 15:37:13 UTC

Yet JK says he becomes one.

I saw that. Seems like a bad idea for a guy controlling an unbeatable
wand to go round getting into fights with dark wizards. Especially if
he's not even using the unbeatable wand. At least three death eaters,
and probably more, and many other of the creatures fighting with
Voldemort were present for the entire speech about who owned the wand.
The information is out there.

JK must not have thought this one through.

Drusilla

2007-07-31 20:06:00 UTC

Yet JK says he becomes one.

Perhaps Harry does some "office work". I suppose he told Kingsley about
the Elder Wand in case he asked to go and beat "Dark Lord number 2".

Toon

2007-08-01 14:50:47 UTC

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:06:00 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Yet JK says he becomes one.

Perhaps Harry does some "office work". I suppose he told Kingsley about
the Elder Wand in case he asked to go and beat "Dark Lord number 2".

Maybe he found a dying, friendly wizard to beat him and then die.

santosh

2007-08-01 18:40:13 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:06:00 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Yet JK says he becomes one.

Perhaps Harry does some "office work". I suppose he told Kingsley about
the Elder Wand in case he asked to go and beat "Dark Lord number 2".

Maybe he found a dying, friendly wizard to beat him and then die.

As an aside, it's quite amazing that in all the several centuries, not one
master of the Elder wand has ever died undefeated, since if it had happened
we'd only be having a useless wand now. No natural death, no death under
magical creature attack, no poisoning, wait... would poisoning an Elder
wand possessor count as winning that wand?

Bonehammer

2007-08-07 15:25:51 UTC

Post by santosh
As an aside, it's quite amazing that in all the several centuries, not one
master of the Elder wand has ever died undefeated, since if it had happened
we'd only be having a useless wand now. No natural death, no death under
magical creature attack, no poisoning, wait... would poisoning an Elder
wand possessor count as winning that wand?

Let's see if it can be talked into making sense...
IMHO poisoning wouldn't count. Snape gave Dumbledore the coup de
grace, and yet that didn't win him the wand. The way JKR puts it
doesn't tally much: Grigorovitch, for example, was not beaten in a
duel by Grindelwald, but that didn't break the spell.
Let's assume that both ownership and victory (defeating the wand in
regular duel) are needed for mastership. Dumbledore was the last
master, having won it from Grindelwald, but Grindelwald was not,
having simply stolen it from Grigorovitch. That would explain why
Grindelwald lost the duel - the wand wasn't being uber-powerful in his
hands.

Fast forward to DH. Draco has defeated Dumbledore, so he's the master
of the Elder wand now. Voldemort takes the Elder wand from Snape, blah
blah blah. Harry has won Draco's wand and is therefore its master;
this however does not make him the Elder wand's master. When Harry
duels with Voldemort, the Elder wand, which is not in the hands of its
master, meets again the wand that defeated it in the hands of its
master (although the master is changed). Voldemort goes bye bye; Harry
is now the master of Draco's wand AND the Elder wand (as demonstrated
by the fact that he is able to do the Reparo Maxima to fix his old
holly/phoenix wand).

So, as far as we know, the Elder wand has been beaten in duel twice,
and when it was not handled by its master.

This situation, as I see it, is highly unlikely to ever happen again.
Harry says he's not going to use it any more, so even if someone
manages to win whatever wand Harry is using during his Auror rounds,
that tells us nothing about the Elder wand's allegiance. And if
someone steals the wand from Dumbledore's grave, all that Harry needs
to do is take out Draco's wand and get medieval on the thief's ass.

In reply to another poster: No, Harry is not the Master of Death. By
the time he comes into possession of the wand, he has already dropped
the stone; he never owns all three Hallows simultaneously.

Toon

2007-08-08 14:11:58 UTC

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Post by Bonehammer
In reply to another poster: No, Harry is not the Master of Death. By
the time he comes into possession of the wand, he has already dropped
the stone; he never owns all three Hallows simultaneously.

But you don't need the three to be Master Of Death (don't believe
every fairy tale). Most people fight death. Harry welcomed it. Both
when V possessed him, and in the Forest. That made him Master Of
Death, and gave him a choice of Ghostly King's Cross.

Sue H

2007-08-08 15:30:36 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
accepted his fate.

Toon

2007-08-09 10:30:25 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
accepted his fate.

That's welcoming it. He didn't fight it, avoid it. he accepted
death, just like his ancestor did in the story.

Sue H

2007-08-09 15:55:48 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
accepted his fate.

That's welcoming it. He didn't fight it, avoid it. he accepted
death, just like his ancestor did in the story.

I think not. I see Death and I know it's inevitable and accept my fate
and go forward, albeit begrudingly to it. I don't necessarily WELCOME
it. Oh death, over here, let me give you a hug and some love ok?
Come, sit with me before you oft me; I welcome you to what's left of
me. I think not.

Toon

2007-08-10 13:39:02 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
accepted his fate.

That's welcoming it. He didn't fight it, avoid it. he accepted
death, just like his ancestor did in the story.

Which is why you're not the master of death. Harry didn't
begrudgingly go. He accepted his fate to stop Voldemort and save
humanity. He refused to even defend himself for fear of not dying. he
welcomed death, as did his ancestor years ago.

Sue H

2007-08-10 15:05:12 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
accepted his fate.

That's welcoming it. He didn't fight it, avoid it. he accepted
death, just like his ancestor did in the story.

Welcoming death doesn't have to be the thing that makes you master
does it? I agree he accepted his fate which in turn allowed him to be
brave, and all the things a little boy scout would do to save the
world; where in the book does the word weclome come in? Or is that
something someone here just added? If I am wrong, that's fine, but
personally, if it doesn't say he welcomed it, I don't think he did or
had to, to be Master of Death.

As a matter of fact, he's talking with Dumbledore at Kings Cross
Station and readily accepts he can go back. Remember there is a
choice to be made; he can go on like a ghost (which he decides is not
something he would do), he can move on or he can go back. I
understand this is in conflict because of the prophecy; because either
he or V will live while the other dies. However at this point I don't
think he'd welcome death to let V live. For V to live would put his
friends in jeopardy; something Harry doesn't want. So I see it as him
stuggleing somewhat with his outcome. If he even has one doubt his
friends would suffer if he is the one who dies, I don't think he'd
welcome death.

that's my opinon and I am sticking to it... yeah, that's the ticket!

Toon

2007-08-11 13:54:25 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer

Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
accepted his fate.

That's welcoming it. He didn't fight it, avoid it. he accepted
death, just like his ancestor did in the story.

That's the whole point. The master doesn't flee, but accepts, death,
chooses death, welcomes death. The book doesn't have to say it
verbatim.

Post by Sue H
As a matter of fact, he's talking with Dumbledore at Kings Cross
Station and readily accepts he can go back. Remember there is a
choice to be made; he can go on like a ghost (which he decides is not
something he would do), he can move on or he can go back. I
understand this is in conflict because of the prophecy; because either
he or V will live while the other dies. However at this point I don't
think he'd welcome death to let V live. For V to live would put his
friends in jeopardy; something Harry doesn't want. So I see it as him
stuggleing somewhat with his outcome. If he even has one doubt his
friends would suffer if he is the one who dies, I don't think he'd
welcome death.

Well, that's what being the master of death is all about. he chooses
to live or die. He chose death, and was rewarded with surviving, and
getting to choose to go back and live or go on and die. No one else
has that choice, because no one else welcomed death. Everybody fights
it, is too cowardly to move on and so they return as ghosts,
desperately clinging to their old life. Harry chose death twice. When
possessed and when facing Voldemort. He didn't need the Deathly
Hallows for that. He's one of the few who can reject them.

Post by Sue H
that's my opinon and I am sticking to it... yeah, that's the ticket!

OK, you just combined two catchphrases, the last of which indicates
you're lying.

Monika

2007-08-11 22:34:41 UTC

Post by Sue H
that's my opinon and I am sticking to it... yeah, that's the ticket!

OK, you just combined two catchphrases, the last of which indicates
you're lying.

There's a HUGE difference between accepting death, and welcoming it!
Harry ACCEPTED death, but in no way did he welcome it! Welcoming
death implies he was somehow looking forward to dying. So, WHY
would Harry be looking forward to dying? He's young, healthy, not dying
from an incurable & paiful disease, not morbidly depressed, not suicidal,
he's not some kind of freak emo wizard. Just WHAT, exactly, would make
Harry WANT to die? NOTHING!!! In fact, Harry's having all sorts of "Why
Me?" thoughts on his way to be killed. He's dragging it out, putting it off,
marching sullenly to his fate, not skipping down the lane singing
Zippity-Do-Da! Try rereading "The Forrest" again. The entire chapter
describes a person who DESPERATELY wants to live, walking to his death!
I don't know HOW anyone could read that chapter and come away with the
impression that Harry WANTED to die!

On the other hand, Harry knows he MUST die. Its the only way Voldemort
can be defeated. Harry has always accepted that he can die, that someday
he will die, but has always fought VERY hard to stay alive. Now he's facing
the fact that the moment of his death has arrived, far earlier than he'd ever
anticipated. We're specificly told he's scared, terrified! He's not welcoming
death, he's HORRIFIED of it! BUT... even in his fear and desperation,
Harry does not REJECT death, as Voldemort did! He ACCEPTS that for the
greater good, his life must end, now, and marches reluctantly, but steadfastly
to meet his death.

--
eliminate the Horcrux to reply

Sue H

2007-08-11 23:32:47 UTC

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:34:41 GMT, "Monika"

Post by Sue H
that's my opinon and I am sticking to it... yeah, that's the ticket!

OK, you just combined two catchphrases, the last of which indicates
you're lying.

thank you Monka; that's what I've been trying to say all along. One
can be very ill and welcome death; or perhaps be suicidal and welcome
death; but I see no reason for Harry to welcome it.

Post by Monika
On the other hand, Harry knows he MUST die. Its the only way Voldemort
can be defeated. Harry has always accepted that he can die, that someday
he will die, but has always fought VERY hard to stay alive. Now he's facing
the fact that the moment of his death has arrived, far earlier than he'd ever
anticipated. We're specificly told he's scared, terrified! He's not welcoming
death, he's HORRIFIED of it! BUT... even in his fear and desperation,
Harry does not REJECT death, as Voldemort did! He ACCEPTS that for the
greater good, his life must end, now, and marches reluctantly, but steadfastly
to meet his death.

As a matter of fact, he is so afraid of death, he uses the Stone
Hollow to get help to face death. He's resigned to it, but there's
always a part of Harry to be attached to his friends and others he
cares about and knowing one must live while the other dies, there's
gotta be some part in him still confused as to LV's fate. If that is
true, I don't see him welcoming death at all; he'd be too worried
about protecting his friends. As a matter of fact, even the
conversation at King's cross alludes to him wanting to go back;
perhaps he could have said he wanted to move on . . . but when DD
gives him the out that no, he's NOT dead, he can go back; he readily
does. Proving in my view he'd not welcomed death ever at all.

Sirius Kase

2007-08-12 08:58:52 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:34:41 GMT, "Monika"

Post by Sue H
that's my opinon and I am sticking to it... yeah, that's the ticket!

OK, you just combined two catchphrases, the last of which indicates
you're lying.

thank you Monka; that's what I've been trying to say all along. One
can be very ill and welcome death; or perhaps be suicidal and welcome
death; but I see no reason for Harry to welcome it.

No, Harry didn't want to die. but, based on what he saw in Snape's
memories, he believed he had to die in order to get rid of the
Harrycrux. So, he went willingly, but reluctanly and sadly to his
death, except when it happened, he was in KC where Dumbledore had new
information for him. He was no longer a horcrux, yet he wasn't yet
dead. he had the option of going back and getting rid of Voldy for
good, or, as we saw, giving him a chance for remorse, something I
don't think DD mentioned, Harry came up with that himself, also based
on Snape's memories.

Sue H

2007-08-12 15:41:46 UTC

Post by Sirius Kase

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:34:41 GMT, "Monika"

Post by Sue H
that's my opinon and I am sticking to it... yeah, that's the ticket!

OK, you just combined two catchphrases, the last of which indicates
you're lying.

thank you Monka; that's what I've been trying to say all along. One
can be very ill and welcome death; or perhaps be suicidal and welcome
death; but I see no reason for Harry to welcome it.

A little off track here, but I had this thought of how Pure harry
would have been had it not have been for that horcrux in him.
Nauseating so? Maybe! Was it that little piece of V's soul that not
only made him speak parseltongue and see visions but also that part of
him which was growing worse throughout the films (a little Jealous
over Ron when Ron did well in a game of Quidditch, or perhaps fighting
with Ron and Hermoine more often at the end; or being sarcastic and
self-serving a little towards the end)? It did appear Harry grew more
balls as they say as he grew up; but was this really part of his
circumstances and a growing period, or was this the horcrux making him
more so than he'd naturally be? Hmm.....

Toon

2007-08-13 09:50:11 UTC

Post by Sirius Kase
No, Harry didn't want to die. but, based on what he saw in Snape's
memories, he believed he had to die in order to get rid of the
Harrycrux. So, he went willingly, but reluctanly and sadly to his
death,

Which is how one welcomes death. Acceptance. One does not go running
all over the place shouting I'm gonna die. Yippie Skippie. Woo Woo
Woo.

Harry welcome death when possessed, and was glad to finally see Sirius
again. He welcomed death when he went to face his destiny in the
forest, and summoned his loved ones back to help give him the support
and courage to do it. By seeing those he loved and lost and would
soon be seeing again.

By welcoming death, you become Master Of Death, and don't even need
the Deathly Hallows.

Monika

2007-08-14 21:34:21 UTC

Which is how one welcomes death. Acceptance. One does not go running
all over the place shouting I'm gonna die. Yippie Skippie. Woo Woo
Woo.
Harry welcome death when possessed, and was glad to finally see Sirius
again. He welcomed death when he went to face his destiny in the
forest, and summoned his loved ones back to help give him the support
and courage to do it. By seeing those he loved and lost and would
soon be seeing again.
By welcoming death, you become Master Of Death, and don't even need
the Deathly Hallows.

What's the matter Toon, did I slap you down so hard in the other
threadline that,you've got to start posting that crap here?

Try looking up the definition of "accept", then try looking up the definition
of "welcome". Then start WELCOMING the fact that you're wrong!

--
eliminate the Horcrux to reply

Toon

2007-08-15 14:00:58 UTC

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:34:21 GMT, "Monika"

Which is how one welcomes death. Acceptance. One does not go running
all over the place shouting I'm gonna die. Yippie Skippie. Woo Woo
Woo.
Harry welcome death when possessed, and was glad to finally see Sirius
again. He welcomed death when he went to face his destiny in the
forest, and summoned his loved ones back to help give him the support
and courage to do it. By seeing those he loved and lost and would
soon be seeing again.
By welcoming death, you become Master Of Death, and don't even need
the Deathly Hallows.

What's the matter Toon, did I slap you down so hard in the other
threadline that,

No, moron. I left that thread because you're an unreasonable buffoon,
and totally insane (posting the same crap, expecting a different
answer). I avoid your type.

When did you ever slap me down? By misunderstanding the concept of
welcoming death? Besides, why would I abandon that thread for this
one? Try making sense. For once in your life, try making some sense.

And what's a threadline? Once again, try making sense.

Post by Monika
you've got to start posting that crap here?

Truth might not be pretty, but it's far from crap. Just admit that
you were wrong. You're already thought the fool. This post proves
it.

Post by Monika
Try looking up the definition of "accept", then try looking up the definition
of "welcome". Then start WELCOMING the fact that you're wrong!

You first. And while you're at it, get voer your grudges. None too
healthy for the old ticker. This is suppsoed to be a fun palce. You
just have to ruin it for everybody.

Maybe one day, you'll be so wise as Harry as to welcome death.
Doubtful. So video tape it instead. I wanna watch you run like a
scared little coward from death. It'll be like the Keystone Cops.

Dragon Rider

2007-08-15 16:16:27 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:34:21 GMT, "Monika"

Post by Monika
What's the matter Toon, did I slap you down so hard in the other
threadline that,

No, moron. I left that thread because you're an unreasonable buffoon,
and totally insane (posting the same crap, expecting a different
answer). I avoid your type.

[snip more bickering]

Sorry to intrude, but who are you two and what have you done with the
true Monika and Toon?

Toon�s posts I came to respect for as long as I�ve lurked this NG; his
posts were always balanced and polite, even if sarcastic sometimes.

Monika, from what I�ve seen up to now, is a valuable addition with her
witty posts.

So please give them back to us!

Sue H

2007-08-15 16:37:00 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:34:21 GMT, "Monika"

Which is how one welcomes death. Acceptance. One does not go running
all over the place shouting I'm gonna die. Yippie Skippie. Woo Woo
Woo.
Harry welcome death when possessed, and was glad to finally see Sirius
again. He welcomed death when he went to face his destiny in the
forest, and summoned his loved ones back to help give him the support
and courage to do it. By seeing those he loved and lost and would
soon be seeing again.
By welcoming death, you become Master Of Death, and don't even need
the Deathly Hallows.

What's the matter Toon, did I slap you down so hard in the other
threadline that,

No, moron. I left that thread because you're an unreasonable buffoon,
and totally insane (posting the same crap, expecting a different
answer). I avoid your type.
When did you ever slap me down? By misunderstanding the concept of
welcoming death? Besides, why would I abandon that thread for this
one? Try making sense. For once in your life, try making some sense.
And what's a threadline? Once again, try making sense.

Post by Monika
you've got to start posting that crap here?

Truth might not be pretty, but it's far from crap. Just admit that
you were wrong. You're already thought the fool. This post proves
it.

Post by Monika
Try looking up the definition of "accept", then try looking up the definition
of "welcome". Then start WELCOMING the fact that you're wrong!

You first. And while you're at it, get voer your grudges. None too
healthy for the old ticker. This is suppsoed to be a fun palce. You
just have to ruin it for everybody.
Maybe one day, you'll be so wise as Harry as to welcome death.
Doubtful. So video tape it instead. I wanna watch you run like a
scared little coward from death. It'll be like the Keystone Cops.

Be nice children.

Toon

2007-08-12 14:31:11 UTC

Post by Sue H
As a matter of fact, even the
conversation at King's cross alludes to him wanting to go back;
perhaps he could have said he wanted to move on . . . but when DD
gives him the out that no, he's NOT dead, he can go back; he readily
does. Proving in my view he'd not welcomed death ever at all.

He welcome death, and was rewarded with a choice. Very few people get
that chocie. because very few people welcome death. Like the secodn
brother. he feared death, so he tried to beat detah at his own game.
The Resurrection Stone. An unbeatable wand signifigantly lowers ones
chance sof death (unless you brag and are killed in your sleep). Yet
Harry's ancestor welcomed death when he was ready for it,w hen he
chose to die. Justa s Harry chose to die. However relucatnatly or
half heartedly that was. And Harry was rewarded by then choosing life
(having not actually died.) he was truly the masterof death.
Controlling if he lvied or died.

Thta is how one welcomes death. Not by dancing and inviting death
over for a slumber party ad tlaking about cute french people they met.

Toon

2007-08-12 14:26:30 UTC

On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:34:41 GMT, "Monika"

Post by Monika
There's a HUGE difference between accepting death, and welcoming it!
Harry ACCEPTED death, but in no way did he welcome it! Welcoming
death implies he was somehow looking forward to dying. So, WHY
would Harry be looking forward to dying?

Saving people, having the ngihtmare of V finally, over,s eeing his
fmaily again. He was sure fine with it at the MOM.

Post by Monika
not suicidal,

Going into a dnageorus situation planning on ebing killed is pretty
suicidal.

Post by Monika
Just WHAT, exactly, would make
Harry WANT to die?

Saving people, having the ngihtmare of V finally, over, seeing his
family again. He was sure fine with it at the MOM.

Post by Monika
NOTHING!!!

Use your indoor typing.

Post by Monika
In fact, Harry's having all sorts of "Why
Me?" thoughts on his way to be killed.

Which he's still doing. Getting killed. This wecloming death. Just
not with open arms.

Post by Monika
He's dragging it out, putting it off,
marching sullenly to his fate, not skipping down the lane singing
Zippity-Do-Da!

That doesn't mean he's not welcomign death, just ebcause he's not off
dnaicng with death.

Post by Monika
Try rereading "The Forrest" again.

You first.

Post by Monika
The entire chapter
describes a person who DESPERATELY wants to live, walking to his death!

Willingly.

Post by Monika
I don't know HOW anyone could read that chapter and come away with the
impression that Harry WANTED to die!

Because he willingly went off to die. whetehr it was relucatnat or
not, whetehr he tried tow easle out of it or not, he went there fully
planning/expecting to die. He welcomed death, and thus became the
master of death. Like his ancestor before him. Maybe reread the
story hemrioenr ead to them.

And yet, still he marches through the valley of death. Oh he might
question why, but his is still to do and die. And he does, willingly.
Nobody forces him, nobody makes him, nobody tells him it has to be
this way. he trusts DD,a nd so dpes what must be done to defeat
Voldemort at all costs. Self sacrifice. Wecloming death.

Post by Monika
We're specificly told he's scared, terrified! He's not welcoming
death, he's HORRIFIED of it! BUT...

Indoor typing. besides, you can still be afraid and welcome death.
Just like being brave is not the absence of fear.

Post by Monika
even in his fear and desperation,
Harry does not REJECT death, as Voldemort did! He ACCEPTS that for the
greater good, his life must end, now, and marches reluctantly, but steadfastly
to meet his death.

Thus welcoming death. You're problem is, you're just using a
different definition of welcome than normal. If Harry walks into
death willingly, fully knowing he's gonna die, he's wecloming death.
He doesn't need to invite death into his house for tea and scones,
then ask to go back to 1984 and change his only personal history for
the worst, just to make the world a better place, then agree to go
back and die. He accepted death, he chose death on his own terms
(well DD's, but same difference he never argued). Ths welcoming
death, and becoming the master of death.

Welsh Dog

2007-08-12 20:53:53 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:34:41 GMT, "Monika"

Saving people, having the ngihtmare of V finally, over,s eeing his
fmaily again. He was sure fine with it at the MOM.

Post by Monika
not suicidal,

Going into a dangerous situation planning on being killed is pretty
suicidal.

I think you've missed the point raised at the end of OoP:

"But he understood at last what Dumbledore had been trying to tell
him. It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the
arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with
your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was
little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew and so do
I, thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents
that there was all the difference in the world."

Harry was the Gladiator who chose between being dragged into the arena
or walking in head held high... and walked in!!

Welshdog

--
Australian Opinion http://australianopinion.com

News and views... for people like youse!!

Monika

2007-08-13 02:25:14 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:34:41 GMT, "Monika"

Saving people, having the ngihtmare of V finally, over,s eeing his
fmaily again. He was sure fine with it at the MOM.

Really? Show me the line where Harry says, "Gee, I wish I was dead
because I'd really like that and it would save alot of people!" Seems to
me he was fighting his ass off to stay ALIVE!

Post by Monika
not suicidal,

Going into a dnageorus situation planning on ebing killed is pretty
suicidal.

Suicide is, "I can't take this sh** anymore - CROAK" The person
WANTS to die!

Risking your life, valiantly, in a noble cause is hardly suicidal. If it is,
then every soldier in every army is suicidal. How about firemen?
Would you say that all those NYC firemen who responded on 9-11
were suicidal? Hardly! They were heroes! They saw their duty and
preformed it, despite the overwhelming risk to themselves! How many
more people would've died that day if the NYC firemen had just said,
"Fu** this sh** I'm not going in there"? I'm sure every last one of
them was hoping & praying they'd be home with their families that
night! I think I'm pretty safe in saying that there wasn't a single NYC
firefighter who WANTED to die that day!

Laying down your life, selflessly, so that others may live is NOT
suicide! It is the Ultimate Sacrifice! History is full of people who
preformed the ultimate act of heroism, knowing full well that they
would die in the action, but others would live because of it. Did
THEY all have some kind of seath wish? No! They gave
EVERYTHING so others would live and have a better life.

If you really think these people are suicidal, then you're one
selfish SOB!

Post by Monika
Just WHAT, exactly, would make
Harry WANT to die?

Saving people, having the ngihtmare of V finally, over, seeing his
family again. He was sure fine with it at the MOM.

As explained above, that does NOT make Harry want to die.
That makes him a HERO! I don't see anything in cannon that
indecates Harry wanted to die at the MOM.

Post by Monika
NOTHING!!!

Use your indoor typing.

Use your indoor brain!
I use caps for emphisis. No, its not USENET standard.
Don't like it? TS!

Post by Monika
In fact, Harry's having all sorts of "Why
Me?" thoughts on his way to be killed.

Which he's still doing. Getting killed. This wecloming death. Just
not with open arms.

NO!!!!
This is ACCEPTING death!
Welcoming death, "just not with open arms" is a bunch of doubletalk
backtracking I could use to fertilize my garden. You either want to die
or you don't, there's no inbetween. Nobody says, "gee, I KINDA want
to die."

Post by Monika
He's dragging it out, putting it off,
marching sullenly to his fate, not skipping down the lane singing
Zippity-Do-Da!

That doesn't mean he's not welcomign death, just ebcause he's not off
dnaicng with death.

Yes, it DOES mean he's not welcoming death! In fact, I would go so far
to say that Harry is AGONIZING over his impending death! What Harry
wants is LIFE.

Post by Monika
Try rereading "The Forrest" again.

You first.

I have, several times.
Your turn!

Post by Monika
The entire chapter
describes a person who DESPERATELY wants to live, walking to his death!

Willingly.

Again, just because Harry goes willingly does NOT mean he wants it to happen!
Fortunately, Harry comes equiped with a pair of big brass nads that give him
the strength and resolve to preform a duty he really does NOT want to do!

Post by Monika
I don't know HOW anyone could read that chapter and come away with the
impression that Harry WANTED to die!

And yet again, his willingness to see the job through in NO way implies
that he WANTED to do it! You said yourself, he was RELUCTANT! Check
the definition of "reluctance", it directly contradicts the definition of
"welcome".

Here we go again!. You constantly repeat that Harry was willing to die.
True. You have somehow confused a person's willingness to do a
dirty job, with them wanting to do it. You may WANT to consult your
dictionary closely. The only applicable definition of "want" I could find
was, "desire". I then consulted my thesaurus for all synonyms of "desire".
Out of 32 subheadings, and all the words contained therein, not a
single one was applicable to the description of Harry as he went to
face Voldemort in the forrest! I then checked the definition of
"welcome". There were no applicable definitions. Therefore, I must
conclude that Harry did not, in any way, welcome death!

Yes, he's making the Supreme Sacrifice, and believe me, sacrifices HURT!

Post by Monika
We're specificly told he's scared, terrified! He's not welcoming
death, he's HORRIFIED of it! BUT...

Indoor typing.

Get over it!

Post by Sue H
besides, you can still be afraid and welcome death.
Just like being brave is not the absence of fear.

So give me a quote from cannon where it says Harry welcomed death in
"The Forrest Again".

As I already stated, I checked the dictionary. There are NO definitions
of "welcome" that are applicable to what Harry is feeling about his fate
in this case. In fact, I couldn't even find a good applicable synonym.
Harry did NOT welcome death! He ACCEPTS death as an unpleasant job
he must do. What Harry welcomed was LIFE! I think the real problem
here is that YOUR definition of "welcome" is horribly skewed. Try going to
the Memorial Service of some fallen hero and saying in a voice loud enough
for everone to hear you that the person being honored welcomed death.
You'd be VERY lucky if you survived the experiance!

--
eliminate the Horcrux to reply

Louis Epstein

2007-08-12 06:35:53 UTC

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:55:48 -0400, Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
:
:>On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:30:25 -0400, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>
:>>On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:30:36 -0400, Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>>
:>>>On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:11:58 -0400, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>>>
:>>>>On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:51 -0700, Bonehammer
:>>>><***@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>>>>
:>>>>>
:>>>>>In reply to another poster: No, Harry is not the Master of Death. By
:>>>>>the time he comes into possession of the wand, he has already dropped
:>>>>>the stone; he never owns all three Hallows simultaneously.
:>>>>
:>>>>But you don't need the three to be Master Of Death (don't believe
:>>>>every fairy tale). Most people fight death. Harry welcomed it. Both
:>>>>when V possessed him, and in the Forest. That made him Master Of
:>>>>Death, and gave him a choice of Ghostly King's Cross.
:>>>
:>>>Welcomed it? I don't think so. He was scared etc. He more like
:>>>accepted his fate.
:>>
:>>That's welcoming it. He didn't fight it, avoid it. he accepted
:>>death, just like his ancestor did in the story.
:>
:>I think not. I see Death and I know it's inevitable and accept my fate
:>and go forward, albeit begrudingly to it. I don't necessarily WELCOME
:>it. Oh death, over here, let me give you a hug and some love ok?
:>Come, sit with me before you oft me; I welcome you to what's left of
:>me. I think not.
:
: Which is why you're not the master of death. Harry didn't
: begrudgingly go. He accepted his fate to stop Voldemort and save
: humanity. He refused to even defend himself for fear of not dying.
: he welcomed death, as did his ancestor years ago.

As I wrote elsewhere,the HP series is a 4,000-page love letter to
mortality...I suspected this from Dumbledore's remarks at the end
of STONE.

As I believe fighting against death is part of being alive,
I am annoyed by what Rowling chooses to preach.(Doesn't mean
I admire He-Who-Must-Be-Called-Ickle-Tommykins...murdering
for immortality is like raping for virginity).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Toon

2007-08-01 14:50:08 UTC

Yet JK says he becomes one.

But he rehid it. Fat lot of good it does to own it if you can never
find it. The power might fade from lack of use.

Sirius Kase

2007-08-01 15:02:35 UTC

Yet JK says he becomes one.

But he rehid it. Fat lot of good it does to own it if you can never
find it. The power might fade from lack of use.

The danger of the Elder Wand is the tendency to attract murderers.
Actual use of the EW attracts attention to it. Harry can hide it and
not use it which helps it fade from popular attention. But, someone
out there will still want to kill him for it, even if they don't know
where it is. Eventually, though, with disuse, only the wand will know
for sure who it's master is, and the unknown master will not be a
target.

So, it will be awhile, but Harry's plan is a first step in the right
direction. Maybe he only thought of it because it was what Dumbledore
intended to do, but it indicates that the young man has finally
develeoped the ability to think long range. But, Harry, himself, is
still a target.

Franklin Duke

2007-08-01 20:10:28 UTC

Maybe I misunderstood it, but isn't Harry the first Master of Death?