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Harry Proving That He Saw Voldemort: GOF, OOTP
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Timothy Bruening
2016-07-28 19:26:45 UTC
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How Harry can prove that he's telling the truth about having seen Voldemort come back: Just put the appropriate memories in a Pensieve!
Nando
2016-07-30 00:30:28 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
How Harry can prove that he's telling the truth about having seen Voldemort come back: Just put the appropriate memories in a Pensieve!
A memory can be tampered (Slughorn, anyone?). A memory could be related
to a dream, or imagination. A memory may be false (and Harry has been
suspected to be insane).
The pensieve isn't a reliable proof gatherer/recoverer.
Nor the veritaserum is. Veritaserum forces you to tell "the truth", but
this returns what your mind believes it is the truth

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2016-07-30 05:58:14 UTC
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Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 2:30, Nando wrote:
Re: Harry Proving That He Saw Voldemort: GOF, OOT (at least in part)
Post by Timothy Bruening
How Harry can prove that he's telling the truth about having seen Voldemort
come back: Just put the appropriate memories in a Pensieve!
Not sure even a photo would do, as no-one could confirm that the scary bald
visage IS Voldemort, he looks nothing like the young(er) Riddle
Timothy Bruening
2016-07-30 08:01:17 UTC
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Post by Nando
Post by Timothy Bruening
How Harry can prove that he's telling the truth about having seen Voldemort come back: Just put the appropriate memories in a Pensieve!
A memory can be tampered (Slughorn, anyone?). A memory could be related
to a dream, or imagination. A memory may be false (and Harry has been
suspected to be insane).
The pensieve isn't a reliable proof gatherer/recoverer.
Nor the veritaserum is. Veritaserum forces you to tell "the truth", but
this returns what your mind believes it is the truth
So Harry was wrong to believe the memories he recovered from the dying Snape (Deathly Hallows) re Lilly, Dumbledore, and Voldemort were accurate?

After Deathly Hallows, how will Harry Potter get people to believe that the memories he recovered from the dying Snape were accurate, so as to clear his name?
Timothy Bruening
2016-07-30 08:11:21 UTC
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Post by Timothy Bruening
How Harry can prove that he's telling the truth about having seen Voldemort come back: Just put the appropriate memories in a Pensieve!
A memory can be tampered (Slughorn, anyone?). A memory could be related
to a dream, or imagination. A memory may be false (and Harry has been
suspected to be insane).
The pensieve isn't a reliable proof gatherer/recoverer.
Nor the veritaserum is. Veritaserum forces you to tell "the truth", but
this returns what your mind believes it is the truth
So Harry was wrong to believe the memories he recovered from the dying Snape (Deathly Hallows) re Lilly, Dumbledore, and Voldemort were accurate?
After Deathly Hallows, how will Harry Potter get people to believe that the memories he recovered from the dying Snape were accurate, so as to clear his name?
I presume that the Dumbledore portrait would back Harry up, but is the testimony of portraits admissible in a courtroom?
Timothy Bruening
2016-07-30 08:07:43 UTC
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Post by Nando
Post by Timothy Bruening
How Harry can prove that he's telling the truth about having seen Voldemort come back: Just put the appropriate memories in a Pensieve!
A memory can be tampered (Slughorn, anyone?). A memory could be related
to a dream, or imagination. A memory may be false (and Harry has been
suspected to be insane).
The pensieve isn't a reliable proof gatherer/recoverer.
Nor the veritaserum is. Veritaserum forces you to tell "the truth", but
this returns what your mind believes it is the truth
Yet when Dumbledore recovered from Morfin his true memories about the night Voldemort confronted him, he tried to use those memories to free Morfin from the charges that he had murdered the Riddle Family and thus free him from Azkaban! In other words, Dumbledore expected the Morfin memory to prove to the MoM that Morfin was innocent! I'm assuming that the MoM must have had a way to verify that a Pensieve memory showing is accurate. Otherwise, Dumbledore wouldn't have bothered!

By the same token, I figured that viewing Harry's memories of his confrontation with Voldemort would convince people of the truth of his story!

Could the Aurors have verified Harry's story by going to the graveyard where harry claimed to have seen Voldemort?
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