What did Moody make Hermione do?

[Darmok]

Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.

As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

Hmmmm?

"Mirab, with sails unfurled ..."

[GGL CNSRSHP]

well, she's extremely strong-willed, and on her way to being an
extremely powerful witch.

i wouldn't be surprised if she could not only resist the imperius
curse, but also murmur a quick, "protego", deflect it onto him. then,
when he's fully docile, she could become the dominatrix and say, "down
on your knees, BITCH ! bark like a dawg ! ! "

oh, well, anyway, that didn't happen.

i think something like, reciting "hogwart's a history", from memory,
in under 5 minutes.

of course, she's one of the "good people", wouldn't want to see
Hermione develop a cerebral aneurysm from trying to overclock the old
CPU.

roger

Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.
As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"
Hmmmm?
"Mirab, with sails unfurled ..."

[Toon]

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
well, she's extremely strong-willed, and on her way to being an
extremely powerful witch.
i wouldn't be surprised if she could not only resist the imperius
curse, but also murmur a quick, "protego", deflect it onto him. then,
when he's fully docile, she could become the dominatrix and say, "down
on your knees, BITCH ! bark like a dawg ! ! "
oh, well, anyway, that didn't happen.
i think something like, reciting "hogwart's a history", from memory,
in under 5 minutes.
of course, she's one of the "good people", wouldn't want to see
Hermione develop a cerebral aneurysm from trying to overclock the old
CPU.
roger

Well, we know only Harry resisted it. So, Hermione ain't that great
yet.
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Post by GGL CNSRSHP
well, she's extremely strong-willed, and on her way to being an
extremely powerful witch.

But I still think that Willow (from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") could
teach her a thing or two...

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
i wouldn't be surprised if she could not only resist the imperius
curse, but also murmur a quick, "protego", deflect it onto him. then,
when he's fully docile, she could become the dominatrix and say, "down
on your knees, BITCH ! bark like a dawg ! ! "

C'mon - nothing too kinky here, please. This is a family newsgroup
after all!

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
oh, well, anyway, that didn't happen.
i think something like, reciting "hogwart's a history", from memory,
in under 5 minutes.

If so, she'd be talking faster than Bill Clinton talking to Hillary
when he was trying to explain about Monica Lewinsky.

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
of course, she's one of the "good people", wouldn't want to see
Hermione develop a cerebral aneurysm from trying to overclock the old
CPU.
roger

Harry, Hermione, and Ron will last through the end of the current
series. JKR may continue with another series based on these
characters or may even allow one or other writers to continue - with
her approval of each book before it's released, of course.

Chip

[Craig McMartin]

Post by Chip Stobb

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
well, she's extremely strong-willed, and on her way to being an
extremely powerful witch.

But I still think that Willow (from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer") could
teach her a thing or two...

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
i wouldn't be surprised if she could not only resist the imperius
curse, but also murmur a quick, "protego", deflect it onto him. then,
when he's fully docile, she could become the dominatrix and say, "down
on your knees, BITCH ! bark like a dawg ! ! "

C'mon - nothing too kinky here, please. This is a family newsgroup
after all!

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
oh, well, anyway, that didn't happen.
i think something like, reciting "hogwart's a history", from memory,
in under 5 minutes.

If so, she'd be talking faster than Bill Clinton talking to Hillary
when he was trying to explain about Monica Lewinsky.

Post by GGL CNSRSHP
of course, she's one of the "good people", wouldn't want to see
Hermione develop a cerebral aneurysm from trying to overclock the old
CPU.
roger

Harry, Hermione, and Ron will last through the end of the current
series. JKR may continue with another series based on these
characters or may even allow one or other writers to continue - with
her approval of each book before it's released, of course.
Chip

You assume anyway.

[Dennis Kuhn]

Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.

I'm pulling out my Stephen Fry CDs of PoA, personally. :) Between
listening to those during my walks and building my new Lego castles
while wearing my new Azkaban prison shirt, this is definitely bringing
the kid out in me. (Some would argue that this "kid" isn't really
that deeply buried in the first place.)

Post by Darmok
Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

My guess would be something more embarrassing, and less funny, since
we now know what sort of person "Moody" was at the time.

Maybe it was like that hypnotist show from Saturday Night Live... He
points his finger at her, and she starts droning, "This is the best
class ever. It's much better than Arithmancy. I'm going to attend it
again... and again... and again..."

Hopefully you won't get too many silly responses in the PG-13 vein...

Dennis

[Dean Siren]

Post by Dennis Kuhn

Post by Darmok
Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

My guess would be something more embarrassing, and less funny, since
we now know what sort of person "Moody" was at the time.

But he was imitating Moody so well that even Dumbledore couldn't tell he was
a fake. So he wouldn't have made her do something too bad.

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[GGL CNSRSHP]

( Applause !! )

attempted humor is better than none. usually.

roger

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...made her stick out her teeth and go "Doooooouuueeeyyy!!!"
Fab
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Post by Dennis Kuhn

Post by Darmok
Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

My guess would be something more embarrassing, and less funny, since
we now know what sort of person "Moody" was at the time.

But he was imitating Moody so well that even Dumbledore couldn't tell he was
a fake. So he wouldn't have made her do something too bad.

So this makes another point - Polyjuice Potion will allow anyone to
pass physical scrutiny. Even Dumbledore's skills at Legilimency
didn't clue him in to Crouch Jr.'s real identity.

Chip

[Markku Uttula]

Post by Chip Stobb
So this makes another point - Polyjuice Potion will allow anyone to
pass physical scrutiny. Even Dumbledore's skills at Legilimency
didn't clue him in to Crouch Jr.'s real identity.

Being skilled in something does not mean that it's being used for
others. It appears that Dumbledore has very high respect for other
people's privacy that he would not use such a skill... In Philosophers
Stone McGonagall points out that Dumbledore knows things he's too
noble to use. It's possible that legilimens is considered such a
preach of privacy that Dumbledore really would not use it unless he
had a darn good reason to.

Another thing is that (I might not remember everything at this hour) I
think we've not been told whether Dumbledore actually is legilimens.
We only know that he could have taught Harry oclumency, but that's not
straight proof that he knows legilimens - Snape's method of teaching
(that requires the teacher to know legilimens) propably is not the
only possible one, and possibly not even the best one.

[Kish]

Post by Markku Uttula
Another thing is that (I might not remember everything at this hour) I
think we've not been told whether Dumbledore actually is legilimens.

Yes, he says he is in his speech at the end of OotP.

[Markku Uttula]

Post by Kish

Post by Markku Uttula
Another thing is that (I might not remember everything at this
hour) I think we've not been told whether Dumbledore actually is
legilimens.

Yes, he says he is in his speech at the end of OotP.

Ok, once again, I must admit to having been wrong. I'm sure that the
internet community does this (makes me say things that are not
correct) on purpose :]

[Chip Stobb]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:07:49 +0300, "Markku Uttula"

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Chip Stobb
So this makes another point - Polyjuice Potion will allow anyone to
pass physical scrutiny. Even Dumbledore's skills at Legilimency
didn't clue him in to Crouch Jr.'s real identity.

Being skilled in something does not mean that it's being used for
others. It appears that Dumbledore has very high respect for other
people's privacy that he would not use such a skill... In Philosophers
Stone McGonagall points out that Dumbledore knows things he's too
noble to use. It's possible that legilimens is considered such a
preach of privacy that Dumbledore really would not use it unless he
had a darn good reason to.
Another thing is that (I might not remember everything at this hour) I
think we've not been told whether Dumbledore actually is legilimens.
We only know that he could have taught Harry oclumency, but that's not
straight proof that he knows legilimens - Snape's method of teaching
(that requires the teacher to know legilimens) propably is not the
only possible one, and possibly not even the best one.

Good points.

Also, Dumbledore tells Harry that he is an accomplished Legilimens and
that he used this to question Kreacher in the end of OoP.

Chip

[Markku Uttula]

Post by Chip Stobb
Also, Dumbledore tells Harry that he is an accomplished Legilimens
and that he used this to question Kreacher in the end of OoP.

Yep. I should *never* write to Usenet at 2AM - without checking my
facts first. After all - this would have been easily checked with just
a quick search for "legilimens" on OotP (since we've not been told
about it before, hinted evidence from earlier books obviously doesn't
count).

[Impmon]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:49:59 -0400, Darmok

Post by Darmok
Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

You'll find out when you read the adult only edition found in a few
adult stores.

;-) (yes, I have a twisted mind)

Seriously I thoink only Rowling knows the answer and she hasn't
explained on that at all.

[La Nina]

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:49:59 -0400, Darmok

Post by Darmok
Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

No, I know. He asked her a question from Hogwarts: A History that he knew she
would know and then made her say the wrong answer.

OOOHH that would be painful for her.

Nina

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Post by La Nina

Post by Impmon
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:49:59 -0400, Darmok

Post by Darmok
Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

No, I know. He asked her a question from Hogwarts: A History that he knew she
would know and then made her say the wrong answer.
OOOHH that would be painful for her.
Nina

No, he made her campaign passionately for the continued oppression of house
elves! :)

[John VanSickle]

Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.
As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"

In the children's version, yes. I won't say what he made her do in
the adult version, because there may be children reading.

Regards,
John

[GGL CNSRSHP]

are you referring to my mental age or my physical age ?

Post by John VanSickle
In the children's version, yes. I won't say what he made her do in
the adult version, because there may be children reading.
Regards,
John

[Toon]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:49:59 -0400, Darmok

Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.
As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"
Hmmmm?
"Mirab, with sails unfurled ..."

Make her do simple arithmetic wrong.
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Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.
As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"
Hmmmm?

Answer a question wrong?

[Nwsy]

Post by S Herendeen

Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.
As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"
Hmmmm?

Answer a question wrong?

That was her boggart

[Kish]

Post by S Herendeen

Post by Darmok
Just re-listening to GoF, as we get closer to PoA on film.
As we all know (except for that bloke over there, who's been hiding
under a rock, on an island, out in the pacific for the past 25 years),
Moody put the Imperious Curse on EACH of the students in Harry's
class, just to see what it feels like. The antics of most were
documented, as to what they were commanded to do. However, we are
given no clue as to what Moody made Hermione do whilst under the
curse. Got any ideas? Perhaps a little retribution in the command,
since Hermione originally was sort of against Moody doing the demo.
"Miss Granger ... cluck like a chicken! That's right, now, cluck
louder!"
Hmmmm?

Answer a question wrong?

I'm puzzled. Why is everyone thinking of "what would be really
unpleasant for Hermione to do"? Moody doesn't appear to have been
trying to make studens do particularly unpleasant things; it seems
unlikely that Harry really dreaded the idea of jumping over a table (nor
does Moody show any sign of bearing a grudge against Hermione). Moody
probably had Hermione do something very ordinary, like cartwheels.

[Impmon]

Post by Kish

Post by S Herendeen
Answer a question wrong?

I'm puzzled. Why is everyone thinking of "what would be really
unpleasant for Hermione to do"? Moody doesn't appear to have been
trying to make studens do particularly unpleasant things; it seems
unlikely that Harry really dreaded the idea of jumping over a table (nor
does Moody show any sign of bearing a grudge against Hermione). Moody
probably had Hermione do something very ordinary, like cartwheels.

Because she's an insufferable know-it-all and who knows what Barty was
thinking when he put her under the curse.

[SongSylvan]

Post by Impmon
Because she's an insufferable know-it-all and who knows what Barty was
thinking when he put her under the curse.

Well, to sideline here....

Did anybody else kind of like/feel sorry for Barty-as-Moody? Granted, maybe he
was just really an incredible actor, and he *was* doing it with a purpose in
mind, but there were a lot of little things that I liked about him--the way he
spoke to Neville after showing them the curses, telling Harry he was noble, and
I was thinking that in all honesty, he really *was* a good teacher.

Kind of sad, when you think about it.


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Post by SongSylvan
Did anybody else kind of like/feel sorry for Barty-as-Moody? Granted, maybe he
was just really an incredible actor, and he *was* doing it with a purpose in
mind, but there were a lot of little things that I liked about him--the way he
spoke to Neville after showing them the curses, telling Harry he was noble, and
I was thinking that in all honesty, he really *was* a good teacher.
Kind of sad, when you think about it.
Magdalene

I felt the same way. When he taught everyone how to fight off the imperius
curse, it was like he was trying to help them so they wouldnt have to go
through what he went through. Being on V's side he should not have shown harry
this, but it was like wanted harry to have a fighting chance at least.

Nina.


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Post by La Nina
I felt the same way. When he taught everyone how to fight off the imperius
curse, it was like he was trying to help them so they wouldnt have to go
through what he went through. Being on V's side he should not have shown harry
this, but it was like wanted harry to have a fighting chance at least.

Yes, I have to wonder if he was so tortured by that curse that he
hated it. He also seemed genuinely pleased that Harry could fight it.
Perhaps he only likes a "fair" fight.

I also have to wonder about his comments that Harry should be an
auror, and also Hermione. Was he just trying to flatter them, or was
he really encouraging them.

And yes, he was a very good teacher. Would have been nice to have on
our side.


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Post by Meghan Noecker
I also have to wonder about his comments that Harry should be an
auror, and also Hermione. Was he just trying to flatter them, or was
he really encouraging them.

I noticed that when I reread GoF a few days ago. When he said it to
Harry, he had just fooled Harry quite thoroughly (after nearly getting
caught due to the Marauder's Map) and had taken the map away from him
-- and that happened after Harry had shown a Tonksworthy lack of
stealth. But when he said it to Hermione he might have meant it less
ironically.

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Post by Meghan Noecker

Post by La Nina
I felt the same way. When he taught everyone how to fight off the imperius
curse, it was like he was trying to help them so they wouldnt have to go
through what he went through. Being on V's side he should not have shown harry
this, but it was like wanted harry to have a fighting chance at least.

Yes, I have to wonder if he was so tortured by that curse that he
hated it. He also seemed genuinely pleased that Harry could fight it.
Perhaps he only likes a "fair" fight.

I still believe, this is what D hired him for, so Junior had to act as
the real Moody would have.

Post by Meghan Noecker
I also have to wonder about his comments that Harry should be an
auror, and also Hermione. Was he just trying to flatter them, or was
he really encouraging them.

It's hard to tell, one of Junior' main goals was to get close to
Harry, a method would be to tell him what he likes to hear.
OTOH the best lies contain some truth, and Harry is doing
exceptionally well on DADA.

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Post by SongSylvan
Did anybody else kind of like/feel sorry for Barty-as-Moody?
Granted, maybe he was just really an incredible actor, and he
*was* doing it with a purpose in mind, but there were a lot of
little things that I liked about him--the way he spoke to Neville
after showing them the curses, telling Harry he was noble, and
I was thinking that in all honesty, he really *was* a good teacher.

Yeah. Pity about the whole, "trying to lure Harry to his certain death"
thing. Aside from that, he was a real peach.

Catherine Johnson, who isn't particularly sorry for Crouch, Jr, for some
strange reason.

[John VanSickle]

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
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wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd
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And I held your
hand through all of these
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And you still have
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Post by SongSylvan
Did anybody else kind of like/feel sorry for Barty-as-Moody?
Granted, maybe he was just really an incredible actor, and he
*was* doing it with a purpose in mind, but there were a lot of
little things that I liked about him--the way he spoke to Neville
after showing them the curses, telling Harry he was noble, and
I was thinking that in all honesty, he really *was* a good teacher.

Yeah. Pity about the whole, "trying to lure Harry to his certain death"
thing. Aside from that, he was a real peach.
Catherine Johnson, who isn't particularly sorry for Crouch, Jr, for
some strange reason.

My take on Barty is that he held no real hatred for Potter, but was
willing to do anything for his master.

I also wonder if he may have been innocent before getting sent to
Azkaban, and went nuts under the influence of the dementors.

Regards,
John

[Craig McMartin]

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
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When you cried I'd
wipe away all of your tears
When you'd scream I'd
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Post by SongSylvan
Did anybody else kind of like/feel sorry for Barty-as-Moody?
Granted, maybe he was just really an incredible actor, and he
*was* doing it with a purpose in mind, but there were a lot of
little things that I liked about him--the way he spoke to Neville
after showing them the curses, telling Harry he was noble, and
I was thinking that in all honesty, he really *was* a good teacher.

Yeah. Pity about the whole, "trying to lure Harry to his certain death"
thing. Aside from that, he was a real peach.
Catherine Johnson, who isn't particularly sorry for Crouch, Jr, for some
strange reason.

Yeah im with you! He might have been an effective teacher, but he did it for
all the wrong reasons. He only helped Neville so Neville would tell Harry
about Gillyweed for example. He told him about being noble so Harry would do
the "right thing", also helping bring his plans to completion.

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Post by SongSylvan
Did anybody else kind of like/feel sorry for Barty-as-Moody?

Yes. I got a sense of tremendous potential that was warped.

One of the great lines in GoF has Harry thinking about all those
families, including the Crouches, ruined by V.

Post by SongSylvan
Granted,
maybe he was just really an incredible actor, and he *was* doing it
with a purpose in mind, but there were a lot of little things that I
liked about him--the way he spoke to Neville after showing them the
curses,

Although he was one of the people who helped crucio Frank and Alice,
wasn't he? So that actually makes it nastily ironic.

[And of course he gave Neville the plants book to help Harry figure out
the second task - as you mentioned, he had an ulterior motive]

Post by SongSylvan
telling Harry he was noble, and I was thinking that in all
honesty, he really *was* a good teacher.

Fred or George: "He *knows*, man." He certainly inspired his students.

Post by SongSylvan
Kind of sad, when you think about it.

Almost tragic (literary sense of the word).

Miranda