Sorting Harry (spoiler for book 7)

[Hoshisato]

Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

[Thom-Madura]

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Interesting suggestion!

I think the time for spoilers has passed though.

[Martin Mose Larsen]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:32:02 -0400, Thom-Madura

Post by Thom-Madura

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Interesting suggestion!
I think the time for spoilers has passed though.

Not for those outthere who only watch the movies. There are peole who
don't read books.

People who only know characters like Harry Potter, Robert Langdon,
Arthur Dent and Frodo Baggins from movies.

Safe to say though, that afhp is Spoiler Kingdom for these people.

Oh no, sorry, scratch that; they can't read! ;-)

sayonara
Martin Mose Larsen

[Louis Epstein]

Martin Mose Larsen <***@mail.dk> wrote:
: On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:32:02 -0400, Thom-Madura
: <***@optonline.net> wrote:
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:>Hoshisato wrote:
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:>> Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
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:>Interesting suggestion!
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:>I think the time for spoilers has passed though.
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: Not for those outthere who only watch the movies. There are peole who
: don't read books.
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: People who only know characters like Harry Potter, Robert Langdon,
: Arthur Dent and Frodo Baggins from movies.
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: Safe to say though, that afhp is Spoiler Kingdom for these people.
:
: Oh no, sorry, scratch that; they can't read! ;-)

So they don't belong here.

: sayonara
: Martin Mose Larsen

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Lyle Francis Delp]

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Gosh, d'yuh think?

[Fish Eye no Miko]

Post by Lyle Francis Delp

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in
Harry when he was sorted came from the piece of soul
left in Harry by Voldemort?

Gosh, d'yuh think?

I don't. Blaming V for all of Harry's less-than-honorable qualities
(how many Crucios has he cast, or tried to cast?) ignores one of the
messages throughout the books; the fact that no one is perfect, and
even the hero falls short of being sweetness and light all of the
time.

Catherine Johnson.

[trekker]

Post by Hoshisato
Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in
Harry when he was sorted came from the piece of soul
left in Harry by Voldemort?

No I don't. I think the sorting hat identified that Harry had some of
the qualities that Slytherins possessed and had he 'chosen' Slytherin
then it would have sorted him there. (The look on Dumbledore's face
had that happened would have been a sight to see not to mention that
on Snape's) The point is that Harry had been told that nearly all
Wizaards who went bad came from Slytherin House so he was desperate to
avoid it and to follow his father into Gryffindor. Dumbledore later in
the book tells him that it is our choices that define us not our
birth!

Trekker

[Fish Eye no Miko]

Post by trekker
No I don't. I think the sorting hat identified that
Harry had some of the qualities that Slytherins
possessed and had he 'chosen' Slytherin then
it would have sorted him there. (The look on
Dumbledore's face had that happened would
have been a sight to see not to mention that
on Snape's)

"Severus...? Oh, dear...
Pomfrey, do you mind? I think our Potions Master has fainted..."

Catherine Johnson.

[Nuki Mouse]

Post by trekker

Post by Hoshisato
Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in
Harry when he was sorted came from the piece of soul
left in Harry by Voldemort?

No I don't. I think the sorting hat identified that Harry had some of
the qualities that Slytherins possessed and had he 'chosen' Slytherin
then it would have sorted him there. (The look on Dumbledore's face
had that happened would have been a sight to see not to mention that
on Snape's) The point is that Harry had been told that nearly all
Wizaards who went bad came from Slytherin House so he was desperate to
avoid it and to follow his father into Gryffindor. Dumbledore later in
the book tells him that it is our choices that define us not our
birth!
Trekker

I think most of us tend to forget Salazar Slytherin was NOT an evil or dark
wizard. He was (according to the sorting hat) Godric Gryffindor's best
friend. It was only his belief that Hogwarts should only admit Pure-bloods
that caused him to leave the school when the other 3 founders didn't agree
with him.

likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn to evil and
dark wizards could come from other house. Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and
Peter Pettigrew was a Gryffindor.

Nuki Mouse

[Sabremeister Brian]

Post by Nuki Mouse

Post by trekker

Post by Hoshisato
Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in
Harry when he was sorted came from the piece of soul
left in Harry by Voldemort?

No I don't. I think the sorting hat identified that Harry had some of
the qualities that Slytherins possessed and had he 'chosen'
Slytherin
then it would have sorted him there. (The look on Dumbledore's face
had that happened would have been a sight to see not to mention that
on Snape's) The point is that Harry had been told that nearly all
Wizaards who went bad came from Slytherin House so he was desperate
to avoid it and to follow his father into Gryffindor. Dumbledore
later in the book tells him that it is our choices that define us
not our birth!
Trekker

I think most of us tend to forget Salazar Slytherin was NOT an evil
or dark wizard. He was (according to the sorting hat) Godric
Gryffindor's best friend. It was only his belief that Hogwarts
should only admit Pure-bloods that caused him to leave the school
when the other 3 founders didn't agree with him.
likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn to evil
and dark wizards could come from other house. Slughorn wasn't a
dark
wizard and Peter Pettigrew was a Gryffindor.

Regulus Black. Draco and Lucius Malfoy (eventually). Severus Snape.

[Toon]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:24:39 -0400, "Nuki Mouse"

Post by Nuki Mouse

Post by trekker

Post by Hoshisato
Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in
Harry when he was sorted came from the piece of soul
left in Harry by Voldemort?

No I don't. I think the sorting hat identified that Harry had some of
the qualities that Slytherins possessed and had he 'chosen' Slytherin
then it would have sorted him there. (The look on Dumbledore's face
had that happened would have been a sight to see not to mention that
on Snape's) The point is that Harry had been told that nearly all
Wizaards who went bad came from Slytherin House so he was desperate to
avoid it and to follow his father into Gryffindor. Dumbledore later in
the book tells him that it is our choices that define us not our
birth!
Trekker

I think most of us tend to forget Salazar Slytherin was NOT an evil or dark
wizard. He was (according to the sorting hat) Godric Gryffindor's best
friend. It was only his belief that Hogwarts should only admit Pure-bloods
that caused him to leave the school when the other 3 founders didn't agree
with him.

He was a racist. But the only friend turned Dark Lord was
Grindelwald. And Lily refused to believe that DD was ever friends
with him.

[Phil Turner]

Post by Toon
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:24:39 -0400, "Nuki Mouse"

Post by Nuki Mouse

Post by trekker

Post by Hoshisato
Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in
Harry when he was sorted came from the piece of soul
left in Harry by Voldemort?

No I don't. I think the sorting hat identified that Harry had some of
the qualities that Slytherins possessed and had he 'chosen' Slytherin
then it would have sorted him there. (The look on Dumbledore's face
had that happened would have been a sight to see not to mention that
on Snape's) The point is that Harry had been told that nearly all
Wizaards who went bad came from Slytherin House so he was desperate to
avoid it and to follow his father into Gryffindor. Dumbledore later in
the book tells him that it is our choices that define us not our
birth!
Trekker

I think most of us tend to forget Salazar Slytherin was NOT an evil or dark
wizard. He was (according to the sorting hat) Godric Gryffindor's best
friend. It was only his belief that Hogwarts should only admit Pure-bloods
that caused him to leave the school when the other 3 founders didn't agree
with him.

He was a racist.

I don't think we can be sure of that. His reasoning may have gone:

The muggles think we're evil.
Muggle-borns may have the same beliefs and turn aganst us.
If we don't train them they won't be as dangerous.

The full "pure blood" bigotry may have come from later wizards
choosing to misinterpret his views.

[Welsh Dog]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:24:39 -0400, "Nuki Mouse"
<snip>

Post by Nuki Mouse
likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn to evil and
dark wizards could come from other house. Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and
Peter Pettigrew was a Gryffindor.

Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married a muggle! :)

Welshdog

[Fish Eye no Miko]

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Nuki Mouse
likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn
to evil and dark wizards could come from other house.
Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and Peter Pettigrew was
a Gryffindor.

Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married
a muggle! :)

No.

Catherine Johnson. Muggle-born /= Muggle.

[Drusilla]

Post by Fish Eye no Miko

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Nuki Mouse
likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn
to evil and dark wizards could come from other house.
Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and Peter Pettigrew was
a Gryffindor.

Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married
a muggle! :)

No.
Catherine Johnson. Muggle-born /= Muggle.

And we don't know for sure she was a Slytherin.

[Toon]

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:21:11 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla

Post by Fish Eye no Miko

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Nuki Mouse
likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn
to evil and dark wizards could come from other house.
Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and Peter Pettigrew was
a Gryffindor.

Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married
a muggle! :)

No.
Catherine Johnson. Muggle-born /= Muggle.

And we don't know for sure she was a Slytherin.

I think Sirius was the first non Slytherin in ages. Which he was very
proud of, apparently.

[Mark Evans]

Post by Drusilla

Post by Fish Eye no Miko

Post by Welsh Dog

Post by Nuki Mouse
likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn
to evil and dark wizards could come from other house.
Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and Peter Pettigrew was
a Gryffindor.

Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married
a muggle! :)

No.
Catherine Johnson. Muggle-born /= Muggle.

And we don't know for sure she was a Slytherin.

She got removed from the family tree for marrying Ted,
not for getting sorted into the "wrong" house.
If she had been in another house then Sirius would have
mentioned it when he was explaining about the tapestry.

[Louis Epstein]

Mark Evans <***@anacon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
: Drusilla <gammanormids*erasethis*@gmail.com> wrote:
:> Fish Eye no Miko escribi?:
:>> Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:>>
:>>> "Nuki Mouse" <***@NoSpam.com> wrote:
:>>>
:>>>> likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn
:>>>> to evil and dark wizards could come from other house.
:>>>> Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and Peter Pettigrew was
:>>>> a Gryffindor.
:>>> Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married
:>>> a muggle! :)
:>>
:>> No.
:>>
:>> Catherine Johnson. Muggle-born /= Muggle.
:>
:> And we don't know for sure she was a Slytherin.
:
: She got removed from the family tree for marrying Ted,
: not for getting sorted into the "wrong" house.
: If she had been in another house then Sirius would have
: mentioned it when he was explaining about the tapestry.

And he wouldn't have said,getting onto the train with James,
that his family had ALL been in Slytherin.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Louis Epstein]

Fish Eye no Miko <***@cox.net> wrote:
: Welsh Dog <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:
:> "Nuki Mouse" <***@NoSpam.com> wrote:
:>
:> >likewise not all wizards that end up in Slytherin would turn
:> >to evil and dark wizards could come from other house.
:> >Slughorn wasn't a dark wizard and Peter Pettigrew was
:> >a Gryffindor.
:>
:> Andromeda Tonks was a Slytherin and she married
:> a muggle! :)
:
: No.
:
: Catherine Johnson. Muggle-born /= Muggle.

Except to the Blacks...

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Toon]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:36:30 -0000, trekker

Post by trekker
The point is that Harry had been told that nearly all
Wizaards who went bad came from Slytherin House so he was desperate to
avoid it and to follow his father into Gryffindor.

No, he was desperate to avoid Slytheirn. he could care less where
else he ended up.

[Phil Turner]

Post by Lyle Francis Delp

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Gosh, d'yuh think?

It really depends on the details of the critera for slytherin.
If they're just resourcefulness and a willingness to do what's
needed to achieve your objective (with the widespread ambition
amongst Slytherins a consequence of many people having selfish
aims) then Harry fits just fine - he just has more benevolent
objectives. If, on the other hand, ambition itself is a
requirement, then it's more difficult to explain the match
without involving the soul piece. I don't think the various
things the sorting hat has said or sung point entirely one way
or the other.

(Actually, I think Harry would have fitted _well_ in any of the
houses, he just fitted _best_ in Gryffindor, and possibly
Slytherin - re-read his sorting.)

[Toon]

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Yup.

[Welsh Dog]

Post by Hoshisato
Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Well duh!!

The quote from the hat is " You could be great, you know, it's all
here in your head, and Slytherin will help you on the way to
greatness, no doubt about that -- no? Well, if you're sure -- better
be GRYFFINDOR!"

This was why I'd said ages back that I thought that what he had there
was *information* passed to him by Voldemort.

Turned out I wasn't *quite* right with that <cough, cough... > since
it wasn't Voldemort's memories but his soul that had been transferred
during the attack... but the concept was there :)

Actually that comment the hat made did tie in with Ollivander's
summation of Voldemort "After all, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did great
things -- terrible, yes, but great.""

Welshdog

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Hoshisato
Just in case you haven't finished book 7 yet
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2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
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Do you reckon that the Slytherin the Sorting Hat found in Harry when
he was sorted came from the piece of soul left in Harry by Voldemort?

Dumbledore may have made such a suggestion. He did say that Harry's snake talking abilities came from Voldemort's soul.