MU Questions

[Chan Welbourne]

Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012,

Christ is very clear on this matter. "Be on the alert then, for you do
not know the day nor the hour". This applies equally to MU as it does to
the Mayans.

Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

Post by Chan Welbourne
and related affairs?

My expertise comes from the MKUltra/NAOMI programs, their offshoots
including remote viewing (RV) for intelligence gathering. And related
affairs. lol

Post by Chan Welbourne
Would you explain how remote viewing has been important to you in
examining these questions?

The credibility of RV is equal to the credibility of the RVer, the RV
experience, the documentation, targeting - IOW it is much like any
psychological, clinical setting. This tightness in control is required
in order to receive what is called "operable intel".

My experiences have never been with any other style of RV protocols so
every RV experience I have had or seen or I have read and relate have
these qualities.

WTS, I find combinations of RV with credible sources of empirical
information to be the greatest accuracy (truthfulness). An example would
be Andrew Basagio and RVers who back his teleportation experiences to
Mars.

[Chan Welbourne]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012,

Christ is very clear on this matter. "Be on the alert then, for you do
not know the day nor the hour". This applies equally to MU as it does to
the Mayans.

I distinctly thought I read in a previous thread that you and Victor
both believed in the 2012 predictions. :'(

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012,

Christ is very clear on this matter. "Be on the alert then, for you do
not know the day nor the hour". This applies equally to MU as it does to
the Mayans.

I distinctly thought I read in a previous thread that you and Victor
both believed in the 2012 predictions. :'(

There are so many 2012 predictors with their version of the 2012
prediction that I refuse to sort them out. I go on faith that we won't
know specifically and for that matter, what good would it do?

Do I believe we are seeing a paradigm shift in people's consciousness,
their awareness of the spiritual? Absolutely and this is very Mayan in
time terms. Do I believe that there is disclosure coming regarding
hidden sciences, energies, power, time travel and all kinds of things
99% of the educated world would claim to be total bullshit? Absolutely.

Ultimately the reason that 2012 or 2020 or 9999 is of no interest is
that death and tragedy have no hold over me.

If things turn out great, a New Age and all that, in xxxx, hey,
super-duper, cake and eat it too...

[VD]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012,

Christ is very clear on this matter. "Be on the alert then, for you do
not know the day nor the hour". This applies equally to MU as it does to
the Mayans.

I distinctly thought I read in a previous thread that you and Victor
both believed in the 2012 predictions. :'(

MU and I see this differently. I am of the opinion that there is
worthwhile evidences from worthwhile sources with definitive markers
for Oct-Dec, 2012. I do not agree that there are definitive *answers*
regardless of the (Mayan, Hopi, etc.) source or the interpretations.

I cannot concur what the events are going to be i.e cataclysmic
physically, emotionally, spiritually; benign, not benign, friendly ad
infinitum. I only concur that there are changes in the air,
information coming forth as never before.

[Chan Welbourne]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

I'm not picky but my interest was picqued by the Andrew Basiago
interviews. :')

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

I'm not picky but my interest was picqued by the Andrew Basiago
interviews. :')

Andy Basiago is credible. Take what he says as fact.

Don't get too hooked into one person's experiences or another's
regardless of credibility. Think outside the box. In the multiverse,
many, many things are possible; many, many things far beyond our
imaginations much less our experiences.

Here is what I can safely add. Technologically, most /physicists/, let's
call them "public domain physicists" are at place A on the knowledge
scale. Note I did not say /people/.

The technological capabilities of the science powers (USA, China,
Russia, England, Japan...) is in place X where one letter is a much
lesser magnitude of the next.

[Chan Welbourne]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

I'm not picky but my interest was picqued by the Andrew Basiago
interviews. :')

Andy Basiago is credible. Take what he says as fact.
Don't get too hooked into one person's experiences or another's
regardless of credibility. Think outside the box. In the multiverse,
many, many things are possible; many, many things far beyond our
imaginations much less our experiences.
Here is what I can safely add. Technologically, most /physicists/, let's
call them "public domain physicists" are at place A on the knowledge
scale. Note I did not say /people/.
The technological capabilities of the science powers (USA, China,
Russia, England, Japan...) is in place X where one letter is a much
lesser magnitude of the next.

What personal experiences can you provide to this discussion? l-)

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

I'm not picky but my interest was picqued by the Andrew Basiago
interviews. :')

Andy Basiago is credible. Take what he says as fact.
Don't get too hooked into one person's experiences or another's
regardless of credibility. Think outside the box. In the multiverse,
many, many things are possible; many, many things far beyond our
imaginations much less our experiences.
Here is what I can safely add. Technologically, most /physicists/, let's
call them "public domain physicists" are at place A on the knowledge
scale. Note I did not say /people/.
The technological capabilities of the science powers (USA, China,
Russia, England, Japan...) is in place X where one letter is a much
lesser magnitude of the next.

What personal experiences can you provide to this discussion? l-)

I'll have to think about that.

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
What personal experiences can you provide to this discussion? l-)

I'll have to think about that.

Relating personal experiences - that is objectively arrived information
- is tricky. I will not take the chance of compromising people by
potentially exposing details that would endanger them or, for that
matter, MU and his family. Any personal experience I relate is a vetted
one, over and done.

What I do not have any problem is providing backup for publicly
available information. This is what I do best because my background is
so diverse. Many places, many contacts, many times; different TLAgencies
(at least 7) and 4 letter organizations. All military and military
intelligence branches (except Marines).

[VD]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
What personal experiences can you provide to this discussion? l-)

I'll have to think about that.

Relating personal experiences - that is objectively arrived information
- is tricky. I will not take the chance of compromising people by
potentially exposing details that would endanger them or, for that
matter, MU and his family. Any personal experience I relate is a vetted
one, over and done.
What I do not have any problem is providing backup for publicly
available information. This is what I do best because my background is
so diverse. Many places, many contacts, many times; different TLAgencies
(at least 7) and 4 letter organizations. All military and military
intelligence branches (except Marines).

Can you agree to this statement?

The greatest secret in the classified world – about which many
insiders themselves have not been briefed – is that there is a
complex problem concerning alternative timelines, that some of the
visitors are indeed humans from the distant future, and that there
are significant issues with a possible future event which may
seriously affect the earth and its population.

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
What personal experiences can you provide to this discussion? l-)

I'll have to think about that.

Relating personal experiences - that is objectively arrived information
- is tricky. I will not take the chance of compromising people by
potentially exposing details that would endanger them or, for that
matter, MU and his family. Any personal experience I relate is a vetted
one, over and done.
What I do not have any problem is providing backup for publicly
available information. This is what I do best because my background is
so diverse. Many places, many contacts, many times; different TLAgencies
(at least 7) and 4 letter organizations. All military and military
intelligence branches (except Marines).

Can you agree to this statement?
The greatest secret in the classified world – about which many
insiders themselves have not been briefed – is that there is a
complex problem concerning alternative timelines, that some of the
visitors are indeed humans from the distant future, and that there
are significant issues with a possible future event which may
seriously affect the earth and its population.

"The last of these is the reason that all this has been kept so highly
classified, and why disclosure is so problematic."

[Chan Welbourne]

The greatest secret in the classified world ¡V about which many
insiders themselves have not been briefed ¡V is that there is a
complex problem concerning alternative timelines, that some of the
visitors are indeed humans from the distant future, and that there
are significant issues with a possible future event which may
seriously affect the earth and its population.

What are alternative timelines and what's the problem?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

The greatest secret in the classified world ¡V about which many
insiders themselves have not been briefed ¡V is that there is a
complex problem concerning alternative timelines, that some of the
visitors are indeed humans from the distant future, and that there
are significant issues with a possible future event which may
seriously affect the earth and its population.

What are alternative timelines and what's the problem?

Let's take a familiar example, the Roswell Incident. Future humans
stepping back in time for the purpose of assisting in problem solving
they had deemed vital? Why? Heck, they either were having to screw with
the ones we left or they had solved them at great cost. I dunno.

Instead, our military (USAF) got their hands on time travel instruments,
methodologies and since then have gone about mucking up, moving forward
and back. Time-portal technology to us at the wrong time... and also
told the military what lay ahead. Not good.

When you plan for the future by trying to change it in the present,
alternative realities are created. Think of reality as a tree with many
branches, all branches are part of the reality, people live in different
parts of the same tree.

This time looping, alternative reality creating thingee is a complete
clusterphuck. Since Roswell, there have been continued attempts by the
future humans to remedy the exacerbated situation. This is what has
caused an overlay of timelines, creating a tangled complexity which
apparently is challenging for even the most brilliant present-day
minds to understand fully. MU? I am so far out in the cold on this I can
only recite what is told.

[VD]

Post by Chan Welbourne

The greatest secret in the classified world ¡V about which many
insiders themselves have not been briefed ¡V is that there is a
complex problem concerning alternative timelines, that some of the
visitors are indeed humans from the distant future, and that there
are significant issues with a possible future event which may
seriously affect the earth and its population.

What are alternative timelines and what's the problem?

Here's a quote that might help.

"Do we exist on multiple timelines? Your reality, in one way, depends
upon "your" perceptions, awareness, selections... from a vast ocean
of "probabilities"... but this is only an extremely limited model to
work with in an attempt to conceptualize an answer."

" The English language alone does not accommodate for communicating an
answer to this question. Most humans in today's Earth-bound world
cannot grasp an answer to this question due to lack of exposure to
other aspects of "reality". The question itself is not complete,
again, due to the constraints inherent in most world languages (the
languages being at best, related to four dimensions) (or on
the other hand, utilizing "time" as a part of the language(s)
) and possible non- exposure to other reality sets, by the person
attempting to ask and to understand the nature of so-called
timelines, etc."

"The concept of timelines is only a model attempting to explain
what cannot be explained in "words" here. There ARE other
communication modalities available to us here, which can aid
in understanding certain concepts. Explain colors to a person who
has never had sight. Explain this world, as you know it, to an unborn
child, who has active senses, but yet to put them to use in our
"world". Remember the story of the Flatlanders - or even
Sphereland? "

At this moment, the focus should be on waking the people ....
preparing them for a "reality" shockwave... to minimize suffering.

[MU]

Post by VD

Post by Chan Welbourne

The greatest secret in the classified world ¡V about which many
insiders themselves have not been briefed ¡V is that there is a
complex problem concerning alternative timelines, that some of the
visitors are indeed humans from the distant future, and that there
are significant issues with a possible future event which may
seriously affect the earth and its population.

What are alternative timelines and what's the problem?

Here's a quote that might help.
"Do we exist on multiple timelines? Your reality, in one way, depends
upon "your" perceptions, awareness, selections... from a vast ocean
of "probabilities"... but this is only an extremely limited model to
work with in an attempt to conceptualize an answer."
" The English language alone does not accommodate for communicating an
answer to this question. Most humans in today's Earth-bound world
cannot grasp an answer to this question due to lack of exposure to
other aspects of "reality". The question itself is not complete,
again, due to the constraints inherent in most world languages (the
languages being at best, related to four dimensions) (or on
the other hand, utilizing "time" as a part of the language(s)
) and possible non- exposure to other reality sets, by the person
attempting to ask and to understand the nature of so-called
timelines, etc."
"The concept of timelines is only a model attempting to explain
what cannot be explained in "words" here. There ARE other
communication modalities available to us here, which can aid
in understanding certain concepts. Explain colors to a person who
has never had sight. Explain this world, as you know it, to an unborn
child, who has active senses, but yet to put them to use in our
"world". Remember the story of the Flatlanders - or even
Sphereland? "
At this moment, the focus should be on waking the people ....
preparing them for a "reality" shockwave... to minimize suffering.

That strikes a little too close to home :(

[Wilford Dumont]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

I'm not picky but my interest was picqued by the Andrew Basiago
interviews. :')

Andy Basiago is credible. Take what he says as fact.
Don't get too hooked into one person's experiences or another's
regardless of credibility. Think outside the box. In the multiverse,
many, many things are possible; many, many things far beyond our
imaginations much less our experiences.
Here is what I can safely add. Technologically, most /physicists/, let's
call them "public domain physicists" are at place A on the knowledge
scale. Note I did not say /people/.
The technological capabilities of the science powers (USA, China,
Russia, England, Japan...) is in place X where one letter is a much
lesser magnitude of the next.

Two suggestions

Find the movies "Wavelength"; it is hard to do but it is the account
of two people finding aliens imprisoned at Hunter Liggett.
"Alternative Three" - another, this ones on You Tube. Comments?

[MU]

Post by Wilford Dumont
Find the movies "Wavelength"; it is hard to do but it is the account
of two people finding aliens imprisoned at Hunter Liggett.

I saw this in the 80s; this movie is a superb review of actual events. I
swear that the director must have been involved or was guided by someone
who was. There is no other explanation for the detail.

Post by Wilford Dumont
"Alternative Three" - another, this ones on You Tube. Comments?

That had some truth to it. The Mars landing video was all a spoof, and
other parts of it were as well, but there’s truth there.

[Chan Welbourne]

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Post by Wilford Dumont
Find the movies "Wavelength"; it is hard to do but it is the account
of two people finding aliens imprisoned at Hunter Liggett.

I saw this in the 80s; this movie is a superb review of actual events. I
swear that the director must have been involved or was guided by someone
who was. There is no other explanation for the detail.

MU how would you know that this was detailed so well?

[MU]

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Post by Wilford Dumont
Find the movies "Wavelength"; it is hard to do but it is the account
of two people finding aliens imprisoned at Hunter Liggett.

I saw this in the 80s; this movie is a superb review of actual events. I
swear that the director must have been involved or was guided by someone
who was. There is no other explanation for the detail.

MU how would you know that this was detailed so well?

Because the only surviving member ( I think) of this incident, the team
who actually shot down via laser a UFO with its inhabitants captured, is
a compatriot of mine and in a circle of good friends all who have vetted
this man and his credibility to the nth degree.

She/he is still actively involved in the highest levels of astrophysics
at Livermore.

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Martian inhabitants

Past or present, Humanoid or not?

I'm not picky but my interest was picqued by the Andrew Basiago
interviews. :')

Here's a perfect example of the complexity of reality, Andy Basiago.

When Andy first came forward in 2008/9 with his Discovery of Mars
papers, I received a copy. Took it to friends, scientists, others. Took
it to people who have little introduction or belief in life on Mars,
time travel etc.

I told each of these people that what I was going to give to them is
undeniably factual. Take it to the bank but I needed something from
them. I needed for them to tell MU when they "turned the corner",
accepted as fact, the realities of Basiago so to speak.

To a one, it took weeks. Weeks of discussion, calm, slow gentle, open.
This was difficult for me as I had grown up including the realities of
Basiago; it was like teaching children many with IQs 140+. lol

Some never came to it, some did. The latter told me it was a game
changing time for them. Those that never bought in, well, our
relationships were never the same. How could they be?

To pull yourself into the realities of this age is a struggle. For most
it means unlearning chunks of indoctrinated science ("Earth is the only
inhabitable planet"; "all life is H2O based" yada yada) got to toss all
that garbage out the window. MOF, toss out most everything you learned
in HS and college, it's pre-programmed disinformation.

Only then can you install the complexities of reality on your newly,
clean-swept mind.

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

Think if you had a high power telescope, a low power telescope, a pair
of military grade field binocs and a set from Target. RVers are like
these, they see different things in different ways.

They also have combining talents for instance, in early 2005 I was
introduced to a RV who had document materialization capabilities. She
could target a site and mentally copy then reproduce documents locally.
She was mil intel and Company and was expert in intel gathering which I
was privy. In particular, she retrieved the maps of gun running trails
from Sun Young Moon for Haig while residing in her home...less than five
miles from my Atlanta residence.

RV, done correctly, by RVers with credibility and true gifts, are
excellent sources of information.

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol

Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.

Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

[VD]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol
Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.
Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

Reality is complex and dual in nature. The connection with
Intelligence operations and Aliens may well be one of the best kept
secrets of all time, or maybe the poorest...either way, the public
believe what they are taught while the truth may be in plain sight.

Did we not find this to be true in our research into the literary
alchemical (Christian) symbolism hidden in plain sight in the Harry
Potter Septology? Much the same thing.

The future may well be a mix of negative and positive experiences for
all of us. While national security is a fact, true freedom can never
be legislated, voted on or forced upon unwilling participants. Freedom
can be nurtured and encouraged by hope, faith or even by dreams to
some extents.

From the backdrop of conflict, peace is slowly coming to the forefront
of our collective human consciousness. How, why and when this is
happening is speculation. *That* it is happening, is not imvho.

[Wilford Dumont]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol
Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.
Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

Reality is complex and dual in nature. The connection with
Intelligence operations and Aliens may well be one of the best kept
secrets of all time, or maybe the poorest...either way, the public
believe what they are taught while the truth may be in plain sight.

They don't want to know, apathy is killing us even more quickly than
chemtrails.

Take chemtrails. Ted Gunderson, former FBI chief,:

How much more believable? 100s more too. Ignored as we're poisoned.

Post by VD
Did we not find this to be true in our research into the literary
alchemical (Christian) symbolism hidden in plain sight in the Harry
Potter Septology? Much the same thing.

Victor, you're expert in getting back on topic.

[VD]

Post by Wilford Dumont

Post by VD
Did we not find this to be true in our research into the literary
alchemical (Christian) symbolism hidden in plain sight in the Harry
Potter Septology? Much the same thing.

Victor, you're expert in getting back on topic.

:) Isn't it magic, Will? Our discoveries, those of John Granger and
Hans Andreia? Isn't it magic how Ms. Rowling accomplished what she
has?

Isn't the unloading of the masses of information regarding topics on
extraterrestrial activities, ufology, time-space travel --> isn't this
magical?

Are we back on topic? ;0)

[Wilford Dumont]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol
Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.
Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

The incredulousness of what you have to say is your best defence.

[MU]

Post by Wilford Dumont

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol
Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.
Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

The incredulousness of what you have to say is your best defence.

True this.

[Ezekiel]

Post by MU
True this.

It is true that Wilford Dumont, Chan Welbourne and VD all have overly
similar profiles and header info. lol.

Dance, Courtney, dance. How often does one get cracked PhD's to dance
and jump through hoops? :-)

[Chan Welbourne]

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Post by Wilford Dumont

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol
Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.
Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

The incredulousness of what you have to say is your best defence.

True this.

What was your highest level of classification?

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

The whole of the reality is extremely complex. There is inter
(intra)agency redundancy of experimentation, experiences, knowledge,
outcomes, contacts...the list is endless. Trillions have been spent on
thousands of classified projects. The whole of what I know is a stone on
top of Mt. Everest...sorta. lol
Think of me as the Ron Weasley not Hermione Granger on these subjects. I
am pretty good at chess btw.
Match that with the inherent limitations of discussing operations that
have not been publicized (I won't do this), my best is to point you and
yours in the direction of enlightenment; credible, believable true
sources of pertinent data.

The incredulousness of what you have to say is your best defence.

True this.

What was your highest level of classification?

Q

Classifications are per project for the most part. A TS or Q does not
mean you are allowed to see every TS or Q level project. The entire
classification system is complex and often rigged.

[Z]

Post by Chan Welbourne
Without compromising yourself, could you answer a few questions about
2012, Martian inhabitants and related affairs? Would you explain how
remote viewing has been important to you in examining these questions?

Why do I feel like I'm reading a 1995 Art Bell show transcript?
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/art-bell

Carry on.

[Z]

Never mind. I just looked at afhp stats. You kids are starving to
death worse than someone on the 2pid diet.

[Chan Welbourne]

MU would you comment on this?

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases

http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.

As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.

All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's hogwash...in
these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's
hogwash...in these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's
hogwash...in these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

Holiday Inns. lol

Like normal buildings with no view.

[dr. Raj]

I'm sure this is a very interesting conversation, from a looking
inside the mind of a cracked kook perspective. It's too bad no one is
wasting their time reading most of it *LOL*

[dr. Raj]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012.
As far as there being nuclear attacks underground, that's
hogwash...in these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and the
article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases in air
pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement.
All I can say is that there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

Holiday Inns. lol
Like normal buildings with no view.

"Wilford Dumont"
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[Rocky]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012. As far as there being nuclear
attacks underground, that's hogwash...in these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and
the article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases
in air pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement. All I can say is that
there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

If you go to youtube and search for "DUMBs"" you will see quite a bit on
them. Case in point:
TOP SECRET bases For rich. D.U.M.B.S. over 150+ in US 4,000 plus miles of
high speed tunnel

Rocky

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by Rocky

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
MU would you comment on this?
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3

I am not a big Wilcock fan because he constantly violates what I call
the Mark 13:32 rule which states no one knows the time of the end of
times. Wilcock targets 2012. As far as there being nuclear attacks
underground, that's hogwash...in these particular cases.

I'm a Wilcock reader, he doesn't say the end of times is 2012 and
the article is plain. The DUMBs were obliterated by 20x increases
in air pressure. :'(

I won't dispute the 2012 issue with you. I read about the increase in
air pressure and potential ET involvement. All I can say is that
there is no proof or additional corroboration
regarding the demise of the DUMBs. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if
Fulford isn't lying. He is very well respected by the Asian elite
community.

Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

If you go to youtube and search for "DUMBs"" you will see quite a bit on
TOP SECRET bases For rich. D.U.M.B.S. over 150+ in US 4,000 plus miles of
high speed tunnel
http://youtu.be/zl0okZCcqaA
Rocky

Thanks for that. :D I was hoping MU would be more forthcoming to
details. :-(

[dr. Raj]

Thanks for that. :D  I was hoping MU would be more forthcoming to
details. :-(

Kind of like Linus hoping the Great Pumpkin would make an appearance
eh?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by Rocky

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

If you go to youtube and search for "DUMBs"" you will see quite a bit
on them. Case in point: TOP SECRET bases For rich. D.U.M.B.S. over
150+ in US 4,000 plus miles of high speed tunnel
http://youtu.be/zl0okZCcqaA
Rocky

Thanks for that. :D I was hoping MU would be more forthcoming to
details. :-(

How many hotels or office buildings have you been inside? 10? 50? 100?
More? After you leave the lobby they pretty much all look alike.
Corridors with doors, elevators go up/down, well guess what. DUMBs and
most underground facilities are no different.

<eom>

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by Rocky

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
Can you confirm that there are DUMBs?

Affirmative. I have been in several.

Where?

Under Fort Huachuca, a couple in the 4 corners and one in the D.C. area.

Translate "4 corners"

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shiprock+NM&ie=UTF-8

What to they look like?

If you go to youtube and search for "DUMBs"" you will see quite a bit
on them. Case in point: TOP SECRET bases For rich. D.U.M.B.S. over
150+ in US 4,000 plus miles of high speed tunnel
http://youtu.be/zl0okZCcqaA
Rocky

Thanks for that. :D I was hoping MU would be more forthcoming to
details. :-(

How many hotels or office buildings have you been inside? 10? 50? 100?
More? After you leave the lobby they pretty much all look alike.
Corridors with doors, elevators go up/down, well guess what. DUMBs and
most underground facilities are no different.
<eom>

What have you got against Art Bell? You posted that you knew him
personally yet you appear to be cutting him up now. :-@

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?

http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

Yes; are you or are you not Dr. Courtney Brown of Emory University?

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

Yes; are you or are you not Dr. Courtney Brown of Emory University?

Two points:

I post to Usenet anonymously with exception of a hand full of folks who
know who I am. Why would I acknowledge my identity for you?

By definition, I can neither affirm /any/ identity on Usenet nor deny
one with 100% effect. So why try?

[VD]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

Yes; are you or are you not Dr. Courtney Brown of Emory University?

I post to Usenet anonymously with exception of a hand full of folks who
know who I am. Why would I acknowledge my identity for you?
By definition, I can neither affirm /any/ identity on Usenet nor deny
one with 100% effect. So why try?

Unless there are any additional, significant questions, how about
taking the crossposts off and return the conversation to Harry
Potter/Rowling and company? :)

[Wilford Dumont]

Post by VD

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

Yes; are you or are you not Dr. Courtney Brown of Emory University?

I post to Usenet anonymously with exception of a hand full of folks who
know who I am. Why would I acknowledge my identity for you?
By definition, I can neither affirm /any/ identity on Usenet nor deny
one with 100% effect. So why try?

Unless there are any additional, significant questions, how about
taking the crossposts off and return the conversation to Harry
Potter/Rowling and company? :)

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A question for MU. Why did JKR have Harry find the PS in the first
book? Don't alchemists end with the finding of the PS?

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by Wilford Dumont
A question for MU. Why did JKR have Harry find the PS in the first
book? Don't alchemists end with the finding of the PS?

bump; cross posting removed.

[MU]

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by Wilford Dumont
A question for MU. Why did JKR have Harry find the PS in the first
book? Don't alchemists end with the finding of the PS?

bump; cross posting removed.

Do you mean strictly from the standpoint HP following the alchemical
experimentation to end with a PS?

[Wilford Dumont]

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by Wilford Dumont
A question for MU. Why did JKR have Harry find the PS in the first
book? Don't alchemists end with the finding of the PS?

bump; cross posting removed.

Do you mean strictly from the standpoint HP following the alchemical
experimentation to end with a PS?

Yes. If HP is an alchemical story then why does HP not find the PS in
Book 7?

[MU]

Post by Wilford Dumont

Post by MU
Do you mean strictly from the standpoint HP following the alchemical
experimentation to end with a PS?

Yes. If HP is an alchemical story then why does HP not find the PS in
Book 7?

It's a story with alchemical symbolism *not* a story of an alchemist.
Rowling preconceived the narrative line. In your terms, it begins with
the ending and ends with the beginning. That's her prerogative.

Keep in mind /who/ the PS is, the second timeline, the inside narrative.

It is Harry.

[VD]

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Post by Wilford Dumont

Post by MU
Do you mean strictly from the standpoint HP following the alchemical
experimentation to end with a PS?

Yes. If HP is an alchemical story then why does HP not find the PS in
Book 7?

It's a story with alchemical symbolism *not* a story of an alchemist.
Rowling preconceived the narrative line.

There is little doubt in my mind that Ms. Rowling created a structured
outline of her Septology. The proof lies within the exquisite and
complex construction. The multiple narratives with and overlapping one
another.

Post by MU
In your terms, it begins with the ending and ends with the
beginning. That's her prerogative.
Keep in mind /who/ the PS is, the second timeline, the inside narrative.
It is Harry.

Here is a perfect example of what I prescribe. Harry is transfigured
and transformed from self full to selfless as the books roll from I to
VII. Quite similar to the creation of the PS.

Yet as Wil points out, the books refuse to follow thematically the
same process of the Stone.

[MU]

Post by VD

Post by MU

Post by Wilford Dumont

Post by MU
Do you mean strictly from the standpoint HP following the alchemical
experimentation to end with a PS?

Yes. If HP is an alchemical story then why does HP not find the PS in
Book 7?

It's a story with alchemical symbolism *not* a story of an alchemist.
Rowling preconceived the narrative line.

There is little doubt in my mind that Ms. Rowling created a structured
outline of her Septology. The proof lies within the exquisite and
complex construction. The multiple narratives with and overlapping one
another.

Post by MU
In your terms, it begins with the ending and ends with the
beginning. That's her prerogative.
Keep in mind /who/ the PS is, the second timeline, the inside narrative.
It is Harry.

Here is a perfect example of what I prescribe. Harry is transfigured
and transformed from self full to selfless as the books roll from I to
VII. Quite similar to the creation of the PS.
Yet as Wil points out, the books refuse to follow thematically the
same process of the Stone.

See, every once in a while I have a decent Potterthought.

Then again, I may be the only one in the Potterverse who thinks that
Rickman's Snape is not believable, muted, and underacted. Its like he
brewed up a cauldron of botox and stuck his head in. lol

[Chan Welbourne]

Post by MU

Post by VD

Post by MU

Post by Wilford Dumont

Post by MU
Do you mean strictly from the standpoint HP following the alchemical
experimentation to end with a PS?

Yes. If HP is an alchemical story then why does HP not find the PS in
Book 7?

It's a story with alchemical symbolism *not* a story of an alchemist.
Rowling preconceived the narrative line.

There is little doubt in my mind that Ms. Rowling created a structured
outline of her Septology. The proof lies within the exquisite and
complex construction. The multiple narratives with and overlapping one
another.

Post by MU
In your terms, it begins with the ending and ends with the
beginning. That's her prerogative.
Keep in mind /who/ the PS is, the second timeline, the inside narrative.
It is Harry.

Here is a perfect example of what I prescribe. Harry is transfigured
and transformed from self full to selfless as the books roll from I to
VII. Quite similar to the creation of the PS.
Yet as Wil points out, the books refuse to follow thematically the
same process of the Stone.

See, every once in a while I have a decent Potterthought.
Then again, I may be the only one in the Potterverse who thinks that
Rickman's Snape is not believable, muted, and underacted. Its like he
brewed up a cauldron of botox and stuck his head in. lol

:D :D :D

[MU]

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Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

Yes; are you or are you not Dr. Courtney Brown of Emory University?

I post to Usenet anonymously with exception of a hand full of folks who
know who I am. Why would I acknowledge my identity for you?
By definition, I can neither affirm /any/ identity on Usenet nor deny
one with 100% effect. So why try?

Unless there are any additional, significant questions, how about
taking the crossposts off and return the conversation to Harry
Potter/Rowling and company? :)

Ill turn the thread over to Sky Rider. Oh, wait, he only drove by and
trolled. lol

[VD]

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Post by VD

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne

Post by MU

Post by Chan Welbourne
What have you got against Art Bell?

Nothing.

Post by Chan Welbourne
You posted that you knew him personally

I never posted any such thing.
I've made no comments whatsoever re: Art Bell. As far as "knowing him
personally" I have never met Art Bell face-to-face.

OK, you're right, I apologize. That came form a long thread, it was a
troll post. Did you not interview with Art Bell?
http://www.raven1.net/mcf/hambone/court1.html

That link is to a Courtney Brown interview with Bell.

Yes; are you or are you not Dr. Courtney Brown of Emory University?

I post to Usenet anonymously with exception of a hand full of folks who
know who I am. Why would I acknowledge my identity for you?
By definition, I can neither affirm /any/ identity on Usenet nor deny
one with 100% effect. So why try?

Unless there are any additional, significant questions, how about
taking the crossposts off and return the conversation to Harry
Potter/Rowling and company? :)

Ill turn the thread over to Sky Rider. Oh, wait, he only drove by and
trolled. lol

:)