so...why isn't sirius a werewolf?

Post by Q
okay, i'm more than willing to believe that this was a slight fudge in
the book/movie to achieve dramatic effect, but...
in both versions, sirius and the were-lupin have one hell of a fight
towards the end of the book; and i'm fairly certain those weren't
love-bites they were giving each other (quickly hushes the slash-fic
writers).
now, considering that even a scratch from a werewolf can spread the
disease (mythological canon; questionable potter canon), does it only
work if you're in human form? are animagii immune?
and even if they are...well, in that scene where wolfie-lupin lashes
out at snape shielding the kids in the movie, it really looks like he
scratches him. yes, it could be that snape just dodged the blow and
lost his balance, but it didn't look like it.
whaddaya think, sirs?...was it a slip-up, or fodder for the
snape's-a-vampire fans?
Q
now, if we can only find a way to make hagrid into frankenstein's
monster, then we'll have a full house...

Possible Movie slip up. How did Lupin become a werewolf or was he born one?
Im asking because you could possibly say that it doesn't affect magical
folks. Or - you maybe have to be bitten rather than scratched.

John VanSickle

2004-08-01 19:59:58 UTC

Or because Animagi are immune to the infective agent that causes
lycanthropy.

Regards,
John

Fabala

2004-08-01 20:05:36 UTC

Post by John VanSickle
Or because Animagi are immune to the infective agent that causes
lycanthropy.

yeah, wasn't that the whole point of them becoming animagi?

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2004-08-01 21:16:20 UTC

Post by John VanSickle
Or because Animagi are immune to the infective agent that
causes lycanthropy.

yeah, wasn't that the whole point of them becoming animagi?

No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

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Fabala

2004-08-01 22:11:43 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

which is what i was implying - there was no danger for them as animagi.

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2004-08-01 22:26:54 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

which is what i was implying - there was no danger for them as
animagi.

Ok.

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Jan van Aalderen

2004-08-02 07:49:37 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

which is what i was implying - there was no danger for them as animagi.

In which case that wouldn't mean a thing, since they didnt'become
animagi in order not to be bitten, but in order to keep the werewolf
from attacking anyone. And since the werewolf is proven to defend itself
when attacked by a dog/animagus, this would only make sense if an
animagus *is* immune for those bites.

Also, unless Lupin was a muggle - which he obviously was not -, he could
not have become a werewolf as a boy - as I recall from a statement
somewhere in the book - if wizzards are immune to the bite.

So indeed the bleeding wounds were a screwup in the film, IF they were
supposed to be from werewolfbites. If, however, a slash from a claw does
not "inject" the victim with the "werewolfying" substance, al would be
well and consistent.

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2004-08-01 22:21:23 UTC

Post by John VanSickle
Or because Animagi are immune to the infective agent that
causes lycanthropy.

yeah, wasn't that the whole point of them becoming animagi?

No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

I think what they said was that James and Sirius turned themselves into
animals large enough to keep a werewolf "in check". If they really said
it's because they only attack humans then the movie made a huge mistake.

Shannon>

Fish Eye no Miko

2004-08-01 22:26:18 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

I think what they said was that James and Sirius turned themselves
into animals large enough to keep a werewolf "in check". If they
really said it's because they only attack humans

It is.

Post by Dark Magic
then the movie made a huge mistake.

Nor really.. In the book, dog-Sirius and were-Lupin DO fight some. The
book didn't veer off that much on that point.

Catherine Johnson.

Post by Dark Magic
Shannon>

Dark Magic

2004-08-02 17:57:40 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

I think what they said was that James and Sirius turned themselves
into animals large enough to keep a werewolf "in check". If they
really said it's because they only attack humans

It is.

Post by Dark Magic
then the movie made a huge mistake.

Nor really.. In the book, dog-Sirius and were-Lupin DO fight some. The
book didn't veer off that much on that point.

In that case both the book and the movie made a mistake. I don't see how
Sirius and Lupin fighting can be construed any differently from attacking
each other, so the original poster posed an excellent question. Obviously
Werewolves do not attack only humans.

Shannon>

Fish Eye no Miko

2004-08-02 18:11:48 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

I think what they said was that James and Sirius turned themselves
into animals large enough to keep a werewolf "in check". If they
really said it's because they only attack humans

It is.

Post by Dark Magic
then the movie made a huge mistake.

Nor really.. In the book, dog-Sirius and were-Lupin DO fight
some. The book didn't veer off that much on that point.

In that case both the book and the movie made a mistake. I don't
see how Sirius and Lupin fighting can be construed any differently
from attacking each other, so the original poster posed an
excellent question. Obviously Werewolves do not attack only humans.

Well, no. In both cases, were-Lupin was going to attack humans (Harry &
Co), and dog-Sirius basically attacked HIM. That's why they started
fighting. So, a werewolf won't attack another animal /unprovoked/, but
will fight /back/ when attacked by an animal. Which makes sense.

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richard e white

2004-08-02 20:18:21 UTC

Post by Fish Eye no Miko
No. It was because werewolves only attack humans.

I think what they said was that James and Sirius turned themselves
into animals large enough to keep a werewolf "in check". If they
really said it's because they only attack humans

It is.

Post by Dark Magic
then the movie made a huge mistake.

Nor really.. In the book, dog-Sirius and were-Lupin DO fight some. The
book didn't veer off that much on that point.

Lipen did not attack blacks dog form. It was black in dog form who bit on to
lupin so lupin in werewolf form could not go after the others. Lupin was just
so out of his head that he tryied to go after the others and black just would
not let him.

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darkmarkymark and the death eater bunch

2004-08-01 21:24:52 UTC

Post by Q
now, considering that even a scratch from a werewolf can spread the
disease (mythological canon; questionable potter canon), does it only
work if you're in human form? are animagii immune?

first off i think that animals are immune to the werewolf curse
otherwise it would be quite a nightmare if there were were-wolf deer
out there

sirius was consoling someone who was recently bitten but we dont
really know how he was cursed

if the mer-people look anything like the creature from the black
lagoon and we could get an animated mummy the books will be a real
monster mash

stark

2004-08-02 14:43:42 UTC

Post by darkmarkymark and the death eater bunch
first off i think that animals are immune to the werewolf curse
otherwise it would be quite a nightmare if there were were-wolf deer
out there

Minor nitpick. Many people don't seem to realize the origin of the
word "werewolf". The "were" part is from old(er) English, meaning
"man". Thus: "werewolf" is a very simple way of saying "man-wolf". Not
terribly interesting really.

Thus, a deer bitten by a werewolf and somehow "infected" would be called
a deerwolf, and would turn into some ravenous nimble-but-strong beast
with huge teeth and nasty antlers. Kinda scary. Or maybe it would be a
weredeerwolf, turning into a mixture of wolf, man, and deer.

Whatever way it might work would be silly. Traditionally, werewolves
don't pass their curse onto non-humans. We don't have any legends of
rabbits that turn into scary chihuahua-sized terrors.

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Alley Rabbit

2004-08-02 16:52:19 UTC

On 2004-08-01, darkmarkymark and the death eater bunch

Post by darkmarkymark and the death eater bunch
first off i think that animals are immune to the werewolf curse
otherwise it would be quite a nightmare if there were were-wolf deer
out there

Minor nitpick. Many people don't seem to realize the origin of the
word "werewolf". The "were" part is from old(er) English, meaning
"man". Thus: "werewolf" is a very simple way of saying "man-wolf".
Not
terribly interesting really.
Thus, a deer bitten by a werewolf and somehow "infected" would be called
a deerwolf, and would turn into some ravenous nimble-but-strong beast
with huge teeth and nasty antlers. Kinda scary. Or maybe it would be a
weredeerwolf, turning into a mixture of wolf, man, and deer.
Whatever way it might work would be silly. Traditionally, werewolves
don't pass their curse onto non-humans. We don't have any legends of
rabbits that turn into scary chihuahua-sized terrors.

"That is not an ordinary rabbit... 'tis the most foul cruel and bad-tempered
thing you ever set eyes on."

"I soiled my armour I was so scared."

"That rabbit's got a vicious streak. It's a killer!"
.
.
.
"Run away! Run away!"

Alley Rabbit

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stark

2004-08-02 18:12:26 UTC

Post by Alley Rabbit

Post by stark
Whatever way it might work would be silly. Traditionally, werewolves
don't pass their curse onto non-humans. We don't have any legends of
rabbits that turn into scary chihuahua-sized terrors.

"That is not an ordinary rabbit... 'tis the most foul cruel and bad-tempered
thing you ever set eyes on."
"I soiled my armour I was so scared."
"That rabbit's got a vicious streak. It's a killer!"
.
.
.
"Run away! Run away!"

Tee hee...

Thats exactly why I used a rabbit. Didn't think anyone would actually
catch that.

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stark

Alley Rabbit

2004-08-02 18:21:46 UTC

Post by stark

Post by Alley Rabbit

Post by stark
Whatever way it might work would be silly. Traditionally,
werewolves don't pass their curse onto non-humans. We don't have
any legends of rabbits that turn into scary chihuahua-sized terrors.

"That is not an ordinary rabbit... 'tis the most foul cruel and
bad-tempered thing you ever set eyes on."
"I soiled my armour I was so scared."
"That rabbit's got a vicious streak. It's a killer!"
.
.
.
"Run away! Run away!"

Tee hee...
Thats exactly why I used a rabbit. Didn't think anyone would actually
catch that.

Someone going by the name of Alley Rabbit wouldn't catch it? ;-)

Toon

2004-08-03 11:57:18 UTC

Post by stark

Post by darkmarkymark and the death eater bunch
first off i think that animals are immune to the werewolf curse
otherwise it would be quite a nightmare if there were were-wolf deer
out there

Minor nitpick. Many people don't seem to realize the origin of the
word "werewolf". The "were" part is from old(er) English, meaning
"man". Thus: "werewolf" is a very simple way of saying "man-wolf". Not
terribly interesting really.
Thus, a deer bitten by a werewolf and somehow "infected" would be called
a deerwolf, and would turn into some ravenous nimble-but-strong beast
with huge teeth and nasty antlers. Kinda scary. Or maybe it would be a
weredeerwolf, turning into a mixture of wolf, man, and deer.
Whatever way it might work would be silly. Traditionally, werewolves
don't pass their curse onto non-humans. We don't have any legends of
rabbits that turn into scary chihuahua-sized terrors.

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Post by kathryn
How did Lupin become a werewolf or was he born one?

I have a faint recollection that he said somewhere being bitten as a
young boy, but I can't seem to find the reference (if it exists and
I'm not just taking something from a fanfic).

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Fish Eye no Miko

2004-08-01 21:20:36 UTC

Post by kathryn
Possible Movie slip up. How did Lupin become a werewolf or was he born one?

He was bitten when he was "very young".

Catherine Johnson.

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leslie

2004-08-01 23:54:26 UTC

Lupin stated that he was bitten as a child.

Sirius also stated that as a dog and stag, he and James weren't at
risk from a werewolf.

richard e white

2004-08-02 20:14:16 UTC

He was bitten at a young age. see book 3

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John VanSickle

2004-08-01 19:51:24 UTC

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Regards,
John

Eric Bohlman

2004-08-01 21:27:25 UTC

"But how did that help you?" said Hermione, sounding puzzled.

"They couldn't keep me company as humans, so they kept me company as
animals," said Lupin. "A werewolf is only a danger to people..."

PoA, "Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs" (p.354 in the Scholastic
paperback).

In answer to a later poster's query about how Lupin became a werewolf:

"I was a very small boy when I received the bite." (same chapter)

Fish Eye no Miko

2004-08-01 21:19:40 UTC

<pout>

Post by Q
now, considering that even a scratch from a werewolf can spread the
disease (mythological canon; questionable potter canon),

I don't recall Potter canon saying a scratch would do it; it has to be a
bite.

Post by Q
does it only work if you're in human form? are animagii immune?

Maybe. Cuz, yeah, the book version says, "They were locked jaw-to jaw,
claws ripping at each other".

Post by Q
and even if they are...well, in that scene where wolfie-lupin lashes
out at snape shielding the kids in the movie, it really looks like
he scratches him.

Again, it has to be a bite, according to Potter canon.

Post by Q
whaddaya think, sirs?...was it a slip-up, or fodder for the
snape's-a-vampire fans?

JKR has said no on that.

Catherine Johnson.

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chimaera

2004-08-01 22:18:38 UTC

Spoiler for book 5
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Considering what happened to Sirius at the end of OoP (I kept hoping
there'd be an out provided for him to come back, but they pretty much
declared him dead, dead, and DEAD, plus JKR alluded to his death
before the publication of the book -- looks pretty final), I would say
it's now a moot point whether the bite made him a werewolf. Though
not an unfair question :-)

Toon

2004-08-02 11:04:27 UTC

I never heard of a dog, or any nonhuman becoming a werewolf. So,
Sirius would be a carrier. Say he gives blood. Snape might have been
scratched, but I think you need to break the skin, which I'm sure
didn't happen.
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