Location of Little Hangleton

[Jonathan Buzzard]

Was perusing the HP lexicon tonight and came across this twaddle

Greater and Little Hangleton

Located two-hundred miles from Little Whinging (which can only be
to the north in Northumbria or the Lake District to be that far
from Surrey). Little Hangleton is the location of the Riddle House,
where Tom Riddle killed his father, Tom Riddle Sr., and his
grandparents in the summer of 1944.

In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria. It
is a kingdom that ceist to exist about a thousand years ago. In
the second instance a casual glance at a map of the U.K. would
tell you that Northumberland is much futher than 200 miles from
Surrey. The southen edge of Northumberland where I live is more
like 300 miles as the crow files from Surrey.

Two hundred miles from Surrey is more likely to be in Yorkshire somewhere
which would also help because they have place names like Little Hangleton
there, unlike Northumberland or Cumbria where the Little/Greater
Lower/Upper names are virtually unheard of. It could also be in
Cornwall or the Cheshire. Parts of Wales are also 200 miles from
Surrey as the crow flys but they certainly do not have places with
names like Little Hangleton.

One can only hope that the rest of the lexicon has been compiled
with more care than this drivel which could have so easily been
checked on any map of Great Britain. Hell they have even done a
little map graphic of Great Britain.


JAB.

[DFWDraco76]

Have you brought this to the attention of the HP Lexicon webmaster(s)?

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
Was perusing the HP lexicon tonight and came across this twaddle
Greater and Little Hangleton
Located two-hundred miles from Little Whinging (which can only be
to the north in Northumbria or the Lake District to be that far
from Surrey). Little Hangleton is the location of the Riddle House,
where Tom Riddle killed his father, Tom Riddle Sr., and his
grandparents in the summer of 1944.
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria. It
is a kingdom that ceist to exist about a thousand years ago. In
the second instance a casual glance at a map of the U.K. would
tell you that Northumberland is much futher than 200 miles from
Surrey. The southen edge of Northumberland where I live is more
like 300 miles as the crow files from Surrey.
Two hundred miles from Surrey is more likely to be in Yorkshire somewhere
which would also help because they have place names like Little Hangleton
there, unlike Northumberland or Cumbria where the Little/Greater
Lower/Upper names are virtually unheard of. It could also be in
Cornwall or the Cheshire. Parts of Wales are also 200 miles from
Surrey as the crow flys but they certainly do not have places with
names like Little Hangleton.
One can only hope that the rest of the lexicon has been compiled
with more care than this drivel which could have so easily been
checked on any map of Great Britain. Hell they have even done a
little map graphic of Great Britain.
JAB.
--
Jonathan A. Buzzard Email: jonathan at buzzard.me.uk
Northumberland, United Kingdom. Tel: [phone]

[Moxie]

[SNIP]

Yes, he emailed this to me as well, although without the rudeness,
thankfully.

Well don't make such glaringly obvious mistakes then.
JAB.

Yes. Steve, how could you be so human? Tsk, tsk, tsk..... ;)
Don't worry though. It seems that some people on the NG
lack a gene that tells them when they're being rude or when it
is better to just let something go by without comment. I hear
they're working on a cure. :)

Moxie

[Jonathan Buzzard]

Post by Moxie

[SNIP]

Yes, he emailed this to me as well, although without the rudeness,
thankfully.

Well don't make such glaringly obvious mistakes then.
JAB.

Yes. Steve, how could you be so human? Tsk, tsk, tsk..... ;)
Don't worry though. It seems that some people on the NG
lack a gene that tells them when they're being rude or when it
is better to just let something go by without comment. I hear
they're working on a cure. :)

Perhaps making empatic statements that I am 200 miles from
Surrey while simultaneously marking it on a map that clearly
indicates that it is much more might be considered rude?

JAB.

[Trond Michelsen]

thankfully. I'm working on a revised map of Wizarding Britain for the
Lexicon which will correct this error. There is a new edition of The
Magical Worlds of Harry Potter coming out from David Colbert in a few
months and he has a map he's creating for that book which he is going
to share with me. I'm waiting to see what he's come up with before I
finish my new one. Add to that the fact that there is, oh, a little
bit of new information to add to the Lexicon since June 21, and it may
be a while before everything is updated.

Ah, cool. Will you be revising the location of Ottery St. Catchpole as
well?

I don't know what made you decide that it's in Devon, but I'd say that it
can't possibly be directly west of Little Whinging. During the rescue of
Harry in CoS, when they're flying to the Burrow, George tells Fred that
he's driving too far west, and Fred twiddles the steering wheel to correct
the course.

If Ottery St. Catchpole is directly west of Little Whinging, then "too far
west" means "too far", and the twiddling of the steering wheel would have
to be a full u-turn.

[Quentin Stephens]

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria.

Granted, but we still use the term for the area.

[Beth Baxter]

Post by Quentin Stephens

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria.

Granted, but we still use the term for the area.

Not really the kingdom of Northumbria was much larger than
present day Northumberland. It was literally "the land north of
the Humber" and including everything up to the Firth of Forth,
east of the Peninnes.

What's the problem? Do you think the modern term
Wessex should include Kent, or East Anglia
should exclude Essex? That would be more historical,
but nobody would understand it.

Beth Baxter

[Jonathan Buzzard]

Post by Beth Baxter

Post by Quentin Stephens

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria.

Granted, but we still use the term for the area.

Not really the kingdom of Northumbria was much larger than
present day Northumberland. It was literally "the land north of
the Humber" and including everything up to the Firth of Forth,
east of the Peninnes.

What's the problem? Do you think the modern term
Wessex should include Kent, or East Anglia
should exclude Essex? That would be more historical,
but nobody would understand it.

There is no modern county called Wessex.

JAB.

[Beth Baxter]

Post by Jonathan Buzzard

Post by Beth Baxter

Post by Quentin Stephens

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria.

Granted, but we still use the term for the area.

Not really the kingdom of Northumbria was much larger than
present day Northumberland. It was literally "the land north of
the Humber" and including everything up to the Firth of Forth,
east of the Peninnes.

What's the problem? Do you think the modern term
Wessex should include Kent, or East Anglia
should exclude Essex? That would be more historical,
but nobody would understand it.

There is no modern county called Wessex.

I know that, just as there aren't any called East
Anglia, Mercia, or Northumbria -- as you know.
But, as you also know, all these names are
used in a more informal sense to denote areas
that, compared with counties, are rather less
well defined geographically, but are *loosely*
based on the limits of ancient kingdoms.
They are also used for the names of companies
and institutions, such as Anglia TV, West
Mercia Police, Wessex Water -- and the list
could go on. The public usually has a sufficient
grasp of history to understand what is meant.
But you seem to object to it. Why?

Beth Baxter

[Jonathan Buzzard]

Post by Beth Baxter

Post by Jonathan Buzzard

Post by Beth Baxter

Post by Quentin Stephens

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria.

Granted, but we still use the term for the area.

Not really the kingdom of Northumbria was much larger than
present day Northumberland. It was literally "the land north of
the Humber" and including everything up to the Firth of Forth,
east of the Peninnes.

What's the problem? Do you think the modern term
Wessex should include Kent, or East Anglia
should exclude Essex? That would be more historical,
but nobody would understand it.

There is no modern county called Wessex.

I know that, just as there aren't any called East
Anglia, Mercia, or Northumbria -- as you know.
But, as you also know, all these names are
used in a more informal sense to denote areas
that, compared with counties, are rather less
well defined geographically, but are *loosely*
based on the limits of ancient kingdoms.
They are also used for the names of companies
and institutions, such as Anglia TV, West
Mercia Police, Wessex Water -- and the list
could go on. The public usually has a sufficient
grasp of history to understand what is meant.
But you seem to object to it. Why?

Because on an international web site saying that Little
Hangleton is in a none existant place that few people
outside the north east of England know about let alone
the other side of the world is very silly indeed.

Of course the fact it is not anywhere near it's claimed
position is of bigger concern.


JAB.

[Tennant Stuart]

Post by Quentin Stephens

Post by Jonathan Buzzard
In the first instance there is no such county as Northumbria.

Granted, but we still use the term for the area.

I live in the Midlands, where we still use the term Mercia, which
also used to be a lot larger. The police force is the West Mercian
Constabulary, and there are proposals for Mercian devolution.


Tennant