Stan Shunpike?

[Markku Uttula]

Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again (I needed to
reinstall Windows on my machine, and thus I lost all the "prizes" in the
scrabbook).

I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.

So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?
d) She just forgot to answer that part of the question? :)

[drusilla]

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again (I needed to
reinstall Windows on my machine, and thus I lost all the "prizes" in the
scrabbook).
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

Post by Markku Uttula
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?

Why wouldn't they? Mostly everybody want thier children to hav a good
education, adn so far, Hogwrts is the best School. Unless they were Anti.DD,
but ven th Malfoys have gon there.

Post by Markku Uttula
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?

I can't find any evidence if he is whether a squib.
HP Lexicon: "Young, pimply conductor of Knight Bus whose accent is Cockney.
During the Muggle-torture incident at the World Cup, Stan was in the woods
trying to impress a veela (PA3, GF9)."

For me, he is not much skilled or he needed the money and just dropped out
Hogwarts.

[Richard Eney]

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts"

That could explain why Neville's Uncle Algy was trying to force some magic
out of him. There may be weaker-talented wizards who are magical but who
don't spontaneously produce any magical effects before they turn eleven;
they might be able to attend Hogwarts but they might have to pass a real
test, instead of being _automatically_ accepted. Who knows, there might
even be fees for such late-placement students.

I could see a true late-bloomer being homeschooled in magic quite legally,
since if he's never attended Hogwarts, the restriction 'no magic outside
Hogwarts' doesn't apply, and if he's homeschooled, his home, and the rest
of the wizard world, _is_ his school, so he's always 'at school'.

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

Yes. In my experience, young students rarely know much about older ones
(aside from sports fans). If Stan left after O.W.L.s (fairly certain),
and was a Hufflepuff, Harry may not ever have met him during the first
three years.

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?

Why wouldn't they? Mostly everybody want their children to have a good
education, and so far, Hogwarts is the best School. Unless they were
Anti.DD, but even the Malfoys have gone there.

Maybe Stan's family couldn't even afford the books, robes, and other
supplies. Or maybe they had a family tradition of homeschooling.

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?

I can't find any evidence if he is whether a squib.
HP Lexicon: "Young, pimply conductor of Knight Bus whose accent is Cockney.
During the Muggle-torture incident at the World Cup, Stan was in the woods
trying to impress a veela (PA3, GF9)."
For me, he is not much skilled or he needed the money and just dropped out
Hogwarts.

The only hint that Stan might be a squib is that JKR brought up squibs in
her non-answer to the question. We haven't seen Stan do anything magical;
he gets out of the bus to load Harry's trunk and doesn't use magic to lift
it, which might be another hint that he's a squib except that Fred and
George didn't use magic to lift Harry's trunk in book one, when they were
(I think) third year students. (Does the out-of-school restriction extend
to the railroad station platform 9 3/4?)

=Tamar

[Karen Savage]

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts"

That could explain why Neville's Uncle Algy was trying to force some magic
out of him. There may be weaker-talented wizards who are magical but who
don't spontaneously produce any magical effects before they turn eleven;
they might be able to attend Hogwarts but they might have to pass a real
test, instead of being _automatically_ accepted. Who knows, there might
even be fees for such late-placement students.
I could see a true late-bloomer being homeschooled in magic quite legally,
since if he's never attended Hogwarts, the restriction 'no magic outside
Hogwarts' doesn't apply, and if he's homeschooled, his home, and the rest
of the wizard world, _is_ his school, so he's always 'at school'.

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

If he did, I doubt they went at the same time. It is indeed very likely that
their paths would never have crossed and Harry wouldn't have known him from
Adam. But remember the sorting in PS? Everyone in the school would have been
able to point Harry out in a crowd. You would expect Stan to have recognised
him immediately on the Knight Bus.

[richard e white]

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts"

That could explain why Neville's Uncle Algy was trying to force some magic
out of him. There may be weaker-talented wizards who are magical but who
don't spontaneously produce any magical effects before they turn eleven;
they might be able to attend Hogwarts but they might have to pass a real
test, instead of being _automatically_ accepted. Who knows, there might
even be fees for such late-placement students.

Not acording to JKR. she says that there is a book that writes down all magicly
born childern. Tho I hear that she also said that some one would should magic
late in life.
While I think the two statements go against each other, I would have to waight
and see if she has an answer for this oddaty.

Post by Richard Eney
I could see a true late-bloomer being homeschooled in magic quite legally,
since if he's never attended Hogwarts, the restriction 'no magic outside
Hogwarts' doesn't apply, and if he's homeschooled, his home, and the rest
of the wizard world, _is_ his school, so he's always 'at school'.

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

Yes. In my experience, young students rarely know much about older ones
(aside from sports fans). If Stan left after O.W.L.s (fairly certain),
and was a Hufflepuff, Harry may not ever have met him during the first
three years.

But Stan would have rememberd Harry. Harry was to famus to not berememberd by
Stan.

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?

Why wouldn't they? Mostly everybody want their children to have a good
education, and so far, Hogwarts is the best School. Unless they were
Anti.DD, but even the Malfoys have gone there.

Maybe Stan's family couldn't even afford the books, robes, and other
supplies. Or maybe they had a family tradition of homeschooling.

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?

I can't find any evidence if he is whether a squib.
HP Lexicon: "Young, pimply conductor of Knight Bus whose accent is Cockney.
During the Muggle-torture incident at the World Cup, Stan was in the woods
trying to impress a veela (PA3, GF9)."
For me, he is not much skilled or he needed the money and just dropped out
Hogwarts.

That could be and if he was low on money and barly got A's in his owl's there
may habe been no way to go on.

Post by Richard Eney
The only hint that Stan might be a squib is that JKR brought up squibs in
her non-answer to the question. We haven't seen Stan do anything magical;
he gets out of the bus to load Harry's trunk and doesn't use magic to lift
it, which might be another hint that he's a squib

or he may have been real bad at charms and not be willing to mess up in front of
others.

Post by Richard Eney
except that Fred and
George didn't use magic to lift Harry's trunk in book one, when they were
(I think) third year students. (Does the out-of-school restriction extend
to the railroad station platform 9 3/4?)
=Tamar

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Richard Eney]

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts"

<snip>

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney
There may be weaker-talented wizards who are magical but who
don't spontaneously produce any magical effects before they turn eleven;
they might be able to attend Hogwarts but they might have to pass a real
test, instead of being _automatically_ accepted. Who knows, there might
even be fees for such late-placement students.

Not acording to JKR. she says that there is a book that writes down all
magically born children. Tho I hear that she also said that some one
would should magic late in life. While I think the two statements go
against each other, I would have to wait and see if she has an answer for
this oddity.

I'm grasping at straws here, they may be weakly magical and therefore
listed, but perhaps if they haven't produced any spontaneous magic, they
"aren't magical enough" to get the letter, as Neville's family feared.
But you are right, JKR has previously said that all the magical children
listed by the magic quill will get the letter. Since all of the
statements involved (except Neville's) are from outside the actual books,
and since JKR has made mistakes in her interviews and on her website (and
occasionally in the books), we won't know until the final revisions are
made after all seven books are published, and maybe not then.

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

Yes. In my experience, young students rarely know much about older ones
(aside from sports fans). If Stan left after O.W.L.s (fairly certain),
and was a Hufflepuff, Harry may not ever have met him during the first
three years.

But Stan would have remembered Harry. Harry was too famous to not be
remembered by Stan.

If Stan had been too busy failing his OWLs, he may have forgotten what
Harry looked like. Even Quidditch might not have helped, since for most
of the game Harry is very far from the crowd. If Stan left after Harry's
second year, that would leave at least one full year for him to forget the
details of exactly what Harry looked like.

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla
HP Lexicon: "Young, pimply conductor of Knight Bus whose accent is
Cockney During the Muggle-torture incident at the World Cup, Stan
was in the woods trying to impress a veela (PA3, GF9)."
For me, he is not much skilled or he needed the money and just
dropped out Hogwarts.

That could be and if he was low on money and barely got A's in his owl's
there may have been no way to go on.

Post by Richard Eney
The only hint that Stan might be a squib is that JKR brought up squibs in
her non-answer to the question. We haven't seen Stan do anything magical;
he gets out of the bus to load Harry's trunk and doesn't use magic to lift
it, which might be another hint that he's a squib

or he may have been real bad at charms and not be willing to mess up
in front of others.

Stan is so dumb that his greeting speech "welcome to the Knight Bus" has
to include his own name. He's not embarrassed at having to read the
speech off a piece of paper. I'd say he's not easily embarrassed. Stan
might be so close to being a squib that he was allowed to leave Hogwarts
for special tutoring after his first year; the special tutoring would have
failed, I think.

=Tamar

[drusilla]

<snip>

Post by Richard Eney
I'm grasping at straws here, they may be weakly magical and therefore
listed, but perhaps if they haven't produced any spontaneous magic, they
"aren't magical enough" to get the letter, as Neville's family feared.
But you are right, JKR has previously said that all the magical children
listed by the magic quill will get the letter. Since all of the
statements involved (except Neville's) are from outside the actual books,
and since JKR has made mistakes in her interviews and on her website (and
occasionally in the books), we won't know until the final revisions are
made after all seven books are published, and maybe not then.

Let's say there is a book, a list or whatever. Jo knows it, but we don't
know for sure if that something all magical comunity knows as well or, that
common people can just go and read if their children are there. We don't
know either if this book/list also includes Squibs. Muggles, normally, has
institutions where you go to registre your kids, but I'm pretty sure there
is not such a thing in the Magical word, though the Ministry must has its
way to keep all wizards' track

I recall that is McGonagal who has access to this books (because she sends
the letters), but the Ministry must have it too, if they don't have other
way to know how many magical kids are born. Other situation is that the
Ministry owns this book, and McGonagall travels London every year to check.

[richard e white]

Post by Richard Eney
<snip>

Post by Richard Eney
I'm grasping at straws here, they may be weakly magical and therefore
listed, but perhaps if they haven't produced any spontaneous magic, they
"aren't magical enough" to get the letter, as Neville's family feared.
But you are right, JKR has previously said that all the magical children
listed by the magic quill will get the letter. Since all of the
statements involved (except Neville's) are from outside the actual books,
and since JKR has made mistakes in her interviews and on her website (and
occasionally in the books), we won't know until the final revisions are
made after all seven books are published, and maybe not then.

Let's say there is a book, a list or whatever. Jo knows it, but we don't
know for sure if that something all magical comunity knows as well or, that
common people can just go and read if their children are there. We don't
know either if this book/list also includes Squibs. Muggles, normally, has
institutions where you go to registre your kids, but I'm pretty sure there
is not such a thing in the Magical word, though the Ministry must has its
way to keep all wizards' track
I recall that is McGonagal who has access to this books (because she sends
the letters), but the Ministry must have it too, if they don't have other
way to know how many magical kids are born. Other situation is that the
Ministry owns this book, and McGonagall travels London every year to check.

No the book was said to be at hogwarts.
But I would not be surprised if the minstery has a book that is simular that
tells where a wizard or witch lives. after all Fudge knew that heary was the
only wizard liveing there. So if the minstery does have one it is either
blockable or does not say where you are hanging out or the people watching
harry would have shown up.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[richard e white]

Post by Richard Eney

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts"

<snip>

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney
There may be weaker-talented wizards who are magical but who
don't spontaneously produce any magical effects before they turn eleven;
they might be able to attend Hogwarts but they might have to pass a real
test, instead of being _automatically_ accepted. Who knows, there might
even be fees for such late-placement students.

Not acording to JKR. she says that there is a book that writes down all
magically born children. Tho I hear that she also said that some one
would should magic late in life. While I think the two statements go
against each other, I would have to wait and see if she has an answer for
this oddity.

I'm grasping at straws here, they may be weakly magical and therefore
listed, but perhaps if they haven't produced any spontaneous magic, they
"aren't magical enough" to get the letter, as Neville's family feared.
But you are right, JKR has previously said that all the magical children
listed by the magic quill will get the letter. Since all of the
statements involved (except Neville's) are from outside the actual books,
and since JKR has made mistakes in her interviews and on her website (and
occasionally in the books), we won't know until the final revisions are
made after all seven books are published, and maybe not then.

I doubt that JKR would make a mistake on how things like that work. I find that
while writer often tend to mess up dates and things there characters did (normaly
the minor ones) They don't normaly mess up the way there own world works. Tho I
have seen where they changed there minds or did not explain there own laws for
there world.
But this might be seen as splitting hairs.

Post by Richard Eney

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

Yes. In my experience, young students rarely know much about older ones
(aside from sports fans). If Stan left after O.W.L.s (fairly certain),
and was a Hufflepuff, Harry may not ever have met him during the first
three years.

But Stan would have remembered Harry. Harry was too famous to not be
remembered by Stan.

If Stan had been too busy failing his OWLs, he may have forgotten what
Harry looked like. Even Quidditch might not have helped, since for most
of the game Harry is very far from the crowd. If Stan left after Harry's
second year, that would leave at least one full year for him to forget the
details of exactly what Harry looked like.

I still don't think so. from what I understand in the books Harry is one of the
few magga stars of the wizarding world. And with people in that group seeing
them once inprents on the peoples minds so hard that even ten years would not
dull it much. but there are a lot of people that might get mistaken as him then
people forgetting about him.
As to Stan forgetting I don't think Stan would have rememberd Harry on the second
trip if his memory was that bad.
It think the most likely answers are one Stan is a squibe.
two Stan left after His owls and he is not a god wizard and like to hide how bad
he is.
Three Stan is one of the home schooled wizards that JKR refured to when she said
that all magical wizards and witches can go to hogwarts if they where born in
brittan but they don't have to.
Or lastly Hagride was not the only one expelled and had his wand snapped.

Post by Richard Eney

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by drusilla
HP Lexicon: "Young, pimply conductor of Knight Bus whose accent is
Cockney During the Muggle-torture incident at the World Cup, Stan
was in the woods trying to impress a veela (PA3, GF9)."
For me, he is not much skilled or he needed the money and just
dropped out Hogwarts.

That could be and if he was low on money and barely got A's in his owl's
there may have been no way to go on.

Post by Richard Eney
The only hint that Stan might be a squib is that JKR brought up squibs in
her non-answer to the question. We haven't seen Stan do anything magical;
he gets out of the bus to load Harry's trunk and doesn't use magic to lift
it, which might be another hint that he's a squib

or he may have been real bad at charms and not be willing to mess up
in front of others.

Stan is so dumb that his greeting speech "welcome to the Knight Bus" has
to include his own name. He's not embarrassed at having to read the
speech off a piece of paper. I'd say he's not easily embarrassed. Stan
might be so close to being a squib that he was allowed to leave Hogwarts
for special tutoring after his first year; the special tutoring would have
failed, I think.
=Tamar

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Richard Eney]

<snip>

Post by richard e white

Post by Richard Eney

Post by richard e white
But Stan would have remembered Harry. Harry was too famous
to not be remembered by Stan.

If Stan had been too busy failing his OWLs, he may have forgotten what
Harry looked like. Even Quidditch might not have helped, since for most
of the game Harry is very far from the crowd. If Stan left after Harry's
second year, that would leave at least one full year for him to forget
the details of exactly what Harry looked like.

I still don't think so. from what I understand in the books Harry is one
of the few mega stars of the wizarding world. And with people in that
group seeing them once imprints on the peoples minds so hard that even
ten years would not dull it much. but there are a lot of people that
might get mistaken as him then people forgetting about him.
As to Stan forgetting I don't think Stan would have remembered Harry
on the second trip if his memory was that bad.
I think the most likely answers are
one Stan is a squib.

That would explain Stan not recognizing Harry, except that Harry's
wizard photograph (with Lockhart at the book store) was in the Daily
Prophet at the beginning of CoS. And we know Stan reads the Daily
Prophet.

Post by richard e white
two Stan left after His owls and he is not a good wizard
and like to hide how bad he is.

That would explain why he didn't use magic to lift Harry's trunk,
but not why he didn't recognize Harry.

Post by richard e white
Three Stan is one of the home schooled wizards that JKR referred to when
she said that all magical wizards and witches can go to hogwarts if they
were born in britain but they don't have to.

That would explain why Harry didn't know him. They would never have met
before in person. If Stan's family also didn't bother to take the Daily
Prophet, maybe Stan never saw one of Harry's photos.

Post by richard e white
Or lastly Hagrid was not the only one expelled and had his wand snapped.

Now that's an idea! that could have removed Stan from Hogwarts before
Harry got there. But even so, Stan reads the Daily Prophet, and silly
as he is, he doesn't seem the type to have committed an expulsion-level
offense. He'd have to be dumber than Crabbe or Goyle to fail clsses so
badly as to be expelled.

Actually, nothing really explains why Stan didn't know Harry's face,
except number 3, Stan being home-schooled _and_ not reading the Daily
Prophet until very recently, or Stan being very forgetful sometimes.

=Tamar

[Jan van Aalderen]

Richard Eney wrote:

.........................

Post by Richard Eney
That would explain Stan not recognizing Harry, except that Harry's
wizard photograph (with Lockhart at the book store) was in the Daily
Prophet at the beginning of CoS. And we know Stan reads the Daily
Prophet.

Reading a newspaper does not imply remembering every face pictured in
it, especially not when people in photo's can pull themselves out of
sight if they resent being photographed. Like Harry in CoS when Lockhart
grabbed hold of him to exploit his fame to further his own.

Meeting a aubject of a newspaper phot in person a year after that photo
was published, would - from most people - not result in more than a
puzzled question like "Do I know you? What did you say your name was?"

.......................

[Markku Uttula]

Post by Richard Eney
If Stan left
after Harry's second year, that would leave at least one full year
for him to forget the details of exactly what Harry looked like.

Harry's second year was in Chamber of Secrets. Harry met Stan in the
beginning of Prisoner of Azkaban, so how was there "at least one full
year" *after* Harry's second year for Stan to forget him?

I'm asking this because this ain't the first time I've seen a similar
comment, and I believe ít's due to something I've overlooked. Could you
pleas enlighten me?

[Toon]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:58:45 +0300, "Markku Uttula"

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Richard Eney
If Stan left
after Harry's second year, that would leave at least one full year
for him to forget the details of exactly what Harry looked like.

Harry's second year was in Chamber of Secrets. Harry met Stan in the
beginning of Prisoner of Azkaban, so how was there "at least one full
year" *after* Harry's second year for Stan to forget him?
I'm asking this because this ain't the first time I've seen a similar
comment, and I believe ít's due to something I've overlooked. Could you
pleas enlighten me?

Time Tuner.

[Markku Uttula]

Post by Toon

Post by Markku Uttula
Harry's second year was in Chamber of Secrets. Harry met Stan in the
beginning of Prisoner of Azkaban, so how was there "at least one full
year" *after* Harry's second year for Stan to forget him?
I'm asking this because this ain't the first time I've seen a similar
comment, and I believe ít's due to something I've overlooked. Could
you pleas enlighten me?

Time Tuner.

Thanks. Now my workmates think I'm loony as a bat after I bursted
laughing out loud just now. Your answer came from behind a tree and hit
me totally by surprise :)

[Richard Eney]

Post by Markku Uttula

Post by Richard Eney
If Stan left
after Harry's second year, that would leave at least one full year
for him to forget the details of exactly what Harry looked like.

Harry's second year was in Chamber of Secrets. Harry met Stan in the
beginning of Prisoner of Azkaban, so how was there "at least one full
year" *after* Harry's second year for Stan to forget him?
I'm asking this because this ain't the first time I've seen a similar
comment, and I believe ít's due to something I've overlooked. Could you
pleas enlighten me?

Brain fart?
Okay, it would leave about one month, which doesn't say much for
Stan's ability to recall faces, and since he recognizes Harry again
later, he does remember faces. OTOH, despite Harry's apparent fame in
the school, it's possible that Harry overestimates just how much
attention is really being paid to him by upperclassmen, especially
in other houses. If Stan was a Hufflepuff, he may have been less
interested in some second-year Gryffindor than in his own failing
efforts to either pass his OWLs or find a girlfriend. If he didn't
get a close look at Harry (the Seeker flies high), he might have never
really known more than a few details and forgotten them as being
irrelevant to his own life plans.

We've all met people who sat through school, theoretically passed
all their tests, and yet seem to have never learned most of what
was in those classes, or forgotten it immediately after the test
because they didn't think it was important enough to remember.

Like the entire membership of Binns' History of Magic classes -
one of these days they'll wish they had listened. Even Hermione
nods off in class, though she reads the books so she still passes
the tests.

=Tamar

[Toon]

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?

It could have be and Harry simmply didn't remember.

Remember what?

Post by drusilla

Post by Markku Uttula
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?

Why wouldn't they? Mostly everybody want thier children to hav a good
education, adn so far, Hogwrts is the best School. Unless they were Anti.DD,
but ven th Malfoys have gon there.

Who knows, but according to JK, it occasionally happens.

[s***@gmail.com]

That settles it, then. Stan is the HBP ;-) LOL, j/k. In an official
passage that JKR released the HPB is described as having a mane of
brown hair.

[Karen Savage]

Post by s***@gmail.com
That settles it, then. Stan is the HBP ;-) LOL, j/k. In an official
passage that JKR released the HPB is described as having a mane of
brown hair.

Well, actually, we assume that the person being described in that passage is
the HBP, but did she actually say that's who it is? I don't remember reading
that.

[richard e white]

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again (I needed to
reinstall Windows on my machine, and thus I lost all the "prizes" in the
scrabbook).
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?
d) She just forgot to answer that part of the question? :)
--
Markku Uttula

I would go with she either did not want to answer or forgot to answer that
part.
I think she was so often asked about who could go that she tried to use one
answer to do many questions.

I will admit that I thought stan was a wizard but now that I think about it
I don't remember anything that says he was not a squibe.



--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Dwayne]

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again (I needed to
reinstall Windows on my machine, and thus I lost all the "prizes" in the
scrabbook).
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?
d) She just forgot to answer that part of the question? :)
--
Markku Uttula

I think that Stan is a squib. Why would a bus conductor who would obviously
have to help people with heavy trunks and packages on a regular basis
manhandle these things? surely if he had magical ability he would be adept
at either leviating or making these objects much easier to carry (shrinking
and lightening)?
It may even be possible that Ernie is a squib too.

[richard e white]

Post by Dwayne

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again (I needed to
reinstall Windows on my machine, and thus I lost all the "prizes" in the
scrabbook).
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?
d) She just forgot to answer that part of the question? :)
--
Markku Uttula

I think that Stan is a squib. Why would a bus conductor who would obviously
have to help people with heavy trunks and packages on a regular basis
manhandle these things? surely if he had magical ability he would be adept
at either leviating or making these objects much easier to carry (shrinking
and lightening)?
It may even be possible that Ernie is a squib too.

he might man handle them if he was real bad at charms. or at least thoes charm
spells.

Nevil might have done the same if he had not gotten his act to geather. Tho in
Nevil's case I think he would have only done the job until he had the money to
get into the herbolgy biz.


--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[Butterfly]

Oooh! I have an idea! Maybe Rowling didn't feel like answering that
question and there is nothing important about Stan Shunpike.

[Wilt]

Post by Butterfly
Oooh! I have an idea! Maybe Rowling didn't feel like answering that
question and there is nothing important about Stan Shunpike.

Nothing important ? Stan Hedgehog Shunpike is Severus Snape in his spy suit
that's all !


--
Wilt,;,

[Tobias Ware]

Post by Markku Uttula
Yes, I've been going through JKR's website once again (I needed to
reinstall Windows on my machine, and thus I lost all the "prizes" in the
scrabbook).
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.
So - what should we take her answer to mean?
a) Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts?
b) He didn't go to Hogwarts because his family didn't want to?
c) He didn't go to Hogwarts because he is indeed a squib?
d) She just forgot to answer that part of the question? :)
--

And introducing:
e) Stan Shunpike's parents were very poor and couldn't afford the
fees/costs involved (books, materials, clothes, wands, etc)

Although the Weasleys are poor, Arthur Weasley is employed, and his eldest
children are employed - therefore out of the financial drain. Perhaps the
Shunpikes would regard the Weasleys as 'well-off'.

Tobias

[David M. Sueme]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:37:29 +0300, "Markku Uttula"

Post by Markku Uttula
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.

Just another reason why only the seven books should be considered
canon.

Dave

When the Prime Minister spoke yesterday I thought to myself, "I hope I'll
be able to give a speech like that when I grow up" - Bill Clinton, October
2, 2002

[Toon]

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:21:03 -0500, David M. Sueme

Post by David M. Sueme
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:37:29 +0300, "Markku Uttula"

Post by Markku Uttula
I just wondered, did anyone notice that JKR quite nicely dodged the
question whether Stan Shunpike was ever a student at Hogwarts or not.
Yes, she said that "everyone who shows magical ability before their
eleventh birthday will automatically gain a place at Hogwarts" and that
"there is no obligation to take up the place" and "a family might not
want their child to attend Hogwarts". In her answer, she also spoke
about Squibs - interesting is that nothing in the question (as it was
presented to us) that directly had any connection to squibs.

Just another reason why only the seven books should be considered
canon.

Grow up. JK herself counts all her work as canon. Who are you to
tell her no?