And they all lived happily ever after?

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Post by peter
This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book unsatisfactory.
No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I would have had
Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to each other, and
Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the Quibbler and turning it
into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it because of improbable plot
devices, which have been known in other works. Why did Juliet not
escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed, the whole series has been
entralling, and any writer who has kids queuing up to read a book
deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily ever
after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after the defeat
of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire (shamefully omitted
from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of evil and how Frodo is
too deeply scarred to return to a normal life. Harry's experiences
must have similarly affected him, and having watched him grow up I
want to know how he coped afterwards. Even wizards may be susceptible
to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived Harry's
celebrity.

No argument from me. I think the 'epilogue' could easily have been
another book long... even without a plot as such (and I doubt any of
us would have complained)!!

The tale of rebuilding the Ministry and Hogwart's would have been
really interesting... and the development of the love story between
Harry and Ginny would have been nice to see too. There was after all a
few years between the end of the book and their marriage!

Ah well.. all to late now :(

Welshdog

--
Australian Opinion http://australianopinion.com

News and views... for people like youse!!

Drusilla

2007-08-03 21:21:06 UTC

Post by Welsh Dog

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No argument from me. I think the 'epilogue' could easily have been
another book long... even without a plot as such (and I doubt any of
us would have complained)!!
The tale of rebuilding the Ministry and Hogwart's would have been
really interesting... and the development of the love story between
Harry and Ginny would have been nice to see too. There was after all a
few years between the end of the book and their marriage!
Ah well.. all to late now :(

I still think it should have been one more chapter between the Battle
and the epilogue.

Ron Hunter

2007-08-03 08:53:54 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book unsatisfactory.
No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I would have had
Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to each other, and
Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the Quibbler and turning it
into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it because of improbable plot
devices, which have been known in other works. Why did Juliet not
escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed, the whole series has been
entralling, and any writer who has kids queuing up to read a book
deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily ever
after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after the defeat
of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire (shamefully omitted
from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of evil and how Frodo is
too deeply scarred to return to a normal life. Harry's experiences
must have similarly affected him, and having watched him grow up I
want to know how he coped afterwards. Even wizards may be susceptible
to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived Harry's
celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up that
address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit fanfiction.net,
and pick the ones you like.

BubblyBabs

2007-08-03 09:09:02 UTC

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up that
address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit fanfiction.net,
and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Brian Wakeling

2007-08-03 11:44:08 UTC

Post by BubblyBabs

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness
of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards.
Even wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament
onto the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

--
Brian Wakeling
www.sabremeister.me.uk/index.html
www.livejournal.com/users/sabremeister
"Tea is no substitute for potatoes."
- Terry Pratchett 20/08/03

BubblyBabs

2007-08-03 12:06:20 UTC

Post by BubblyBabs

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't understand
why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it only gives
wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story of what they
wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not really what
happened... JKR just should have written a better last book and I can't
believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to tie up some
loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
babs

Ron Hunter

2007-08-04 08:30:26 UTC

Post by BubblyBabs

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

Well, I don't see fanfiction the way you do. I find reading it very
rewarding, and some of the stories are way better than HBP and DH. If
it gives one pleasure, and it is free, and no harm comes from it, then
why not? And as to it being 'canon' (not 'cannon', thats an artillery
piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is
that it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR
stories. Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
Try it, you might like it.

BubblyBabs

2007-08-04 13:24:47 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards.
Even wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't
understand why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it
only gives wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story
of what they wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not
really what happened... JKR just should have written a better last book
and I can't believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to
tie up some loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
babs

heh, figures I'd misspell it...

Post by Ron Hunter
piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is that
it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR stories.
Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
Try it, you might like it.

What does AU stand for?
babs

Ron Hunter

2007-08-04 13:44:38 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards.
Even wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't
understand why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it
only gives wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story
of what they wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not
really what happened... JKR just should have written a better last book
and I can't believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to
tie up some loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
babs

heh, figures I'd misspell it...

What does AU stand for?
babs

AU is 'alternate universe'. It means that just about anything goes.

smaug86

2007-08-28 14:37:44 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards.
Even wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't
understand why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it
only gives wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story
of what they wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not
really what happened... JKR just should have written a better last book
and I can't believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to
tie up some loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
babs

heh, figures I'd misspell it...

What does AU stand for?
babs

AU is 'alternate universe'. It means that just about anything goes.

All the fanfiction is AU.

Ron Hunter

2007-08-28 16:11:55 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards.
Even wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't
understand why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it
only gives wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story
of what they wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not
really what happened... JKR just should have written a better last book
and I can't believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to
tie up some loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
babs

heh, figures I'd misspell it...

What does AU stand for?
babs

AU is 'alternate universe'. It means that just about anything goes.

All the fanfiction is AU.

NOT.
As long as it contradicts nothing in the books, and follows the rules
JKR has formulated for her imaginary world, it is NOT AU, only 'filling
in the blanks'.
MOST fanfiction IS AU, but some is NOT.

Louis Epstein

2007-08-27 20:29:34 UTC

Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: BubblyBabs wrote:
:> "Brian Wakeling" <***@virgin.net> wrote in message
:> news:cyEsi.13758$***@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
:>> In a speech called KYCsi.2704$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net,
:>> BubblyBabs (***@whatever.com) spake thusly:
:>>
:>>> "Ron Hunter" <***@charter.net> wrote in message
:>>> news:JoqdnbXR6YK-***@giganews.com...
:>>>> peter wrote:
:>>>>> I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
:>>>>> have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
:>>>>> passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
:>>>>> .
:>>>>> .
:>>>>> .
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:>>>>> .
:>>>>> This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
:>>>>> scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
:>>>>> unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
:>>>>> would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
:>>>>> each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
:>>>>> Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
:>>>>> because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
:>>>>> works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
:>>>>> the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
:>>>>> queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
:>>>>> the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
:>>>>> ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
:>>>>> the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
:>>>>> (shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness
:>>>>> of evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
:>>>>> life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
:>>>>> having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards.
:>>>>> Even wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
:>>>>> were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
:>>>>> Harry's celebrity.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> Peter
:>>>>>
:>>>> There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show
:>>>> up that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
:>>>> fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.
:>>> But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
:>>> Babs
:>>
:>> Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament
:>> onto the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
:>> Canon, on the other hand...
:>
:> But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't understand
:> why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it only gives
:> wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story of what
:> they wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not really what
:> happened... JKR just should have written a better last book and I can't
:> believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to tie up
:> some loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
:> babs
:>
:>
: Well, I don't see fanfiction the way you do. I find reading it very
: rewarding, and some of the stories are way better than HBP and DH. If
: it gives one pleasure, and it is free, and no harm comes from it, then
: why not? And as to it being 'canon' (not 'cannon', thats an artillery
: piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is
: that it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR
: stories. Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
: Try it, you might like it.

The canon consists of what the author says it does.
Fanfic can be consistent with canon,but not part of it.

I don't believe in writing in someone else's universe without
their permission and wouldn't want others writing in a universe
of my creation without my permission.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

smaug86

2007-08-28 14:34:49 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
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This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

Because it is not written by JKR. That simple. Fanfiction is not canon
and never will be canon. It's just wannabe writers who don't have the
imagination to come up with their own stuff so they borrow other
people's ideas and characters and write what they wanted instead of
just enjoying the world created for them.

Ron Hunter

2007-08-28 16:10:21 UTC

Post by peter
I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
(shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
Harry's celebrity.
Peter

There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.

But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
Babs

Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
Canon, on the other hand...

Just because it wasn't written by JKR, does NOT mean it is not canon.
The term only means that it is consistent with what is in the books, and
contradicts nothing in her magical world. It is a group of people who
want to DO something, create something, and contribute something, rather
than mindlessly reread what JKR wrote. Some people like to do some of
the work for themselves, others mindlessly watch reruns of 20 year old
sitcoms on TV.

Louis Epstein

2007-08-28 18:39:02 UTC

Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: smaug86 wrote:
:> On Aug 4, 4:30 am, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
:>> BubblyBabs wrote:
:>>> "Brian Wakeling" <***@virgin.net> wrote in message
:>>> news:cyEsi.13758$***@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
:>>>> In a speech called KYCsi.2704$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net,
:>>>> BubblyBabs (***@whatever.com) spake thusly:
:>>>>> "Ron Hunter" <***@charter.net> wrote in message
:>>>>> news:JoqdnbXR6YK-***@giganews.com...
:>>>>>> peter wrote:
:>>>>>>> I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
:>>>>>>> have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
:>>>>>>> passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
:>>>>>>> .
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:>>>>>>> This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
:>>>>>>> scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
:>>>>>>> unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
:>>>>>>> would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
:>>>>>>> each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
:>>>>>>> Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
:>>>>>>> because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
:>>>>>>> works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
:>>>>>>> the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
:>>>>>>> queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
:>>>>>>> The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
:>>>>>>> the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
:>>>>>>> ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
:>>>>>>> the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
:>>>>>>> (shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
:>>>>>>> evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
:>>>>>>> life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
:>>>>>>> having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
:>>>>>>> wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
:>>>>>>> And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
:>>>>>>> were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
:>>>>>>> Harry's celebrity.
:>>>>>>> Peter
:>>>>>> There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
:>>>>>> that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
:>>>>>> fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.
:>>>>> But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
:>>>>> Babs
:>>>> Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
:>>>> the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
:>>>> Canon, on the other hand...
:>>> But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't understand
:>>> why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it only gives
:>>> wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story of what they
:>>> wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not really what
:>>> happened... JKR just should have written a better last book and I can't
:>>> believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to tie up some
:>>> loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
:>>> babs
:>> Well, I don't see fanfiction the way you do. I find reading it very
:>> rewarding, and some of the stories are way better than HBP and DH. If
:>> it gives one pleasure, and it is free, and no harm comes from it, then
:>> why not? And as to it being 'canon' (not 'cannon', thats an artillery
:>> piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is
:>> that it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR
:>> stories. Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
:>> Try it, you might like it.
:>
:> Because it is not written by JKR. That simple. Fanfiction is not canon
:> and never will be canon. It's just wannabe writers who don't have the
:> imagination to come up with their own stuff so they borrow other
:> people's ideas and characters and write what they wanted instead of
:> just enjoying the world created for them.
:>
: Just because it wasn't written by JKR, does NOT mean it is not canon.

It most certainly DOES.

: The term only means that it is consistent with what is in the books, and
: contradicts nothing in her magical world.

No.
The Canon is what JKR has said is canon,and nothing else.
Fanfic that doesn't openly contradict this is "consistent with" canon,
but not PART OF the canon.The canon must be consistent with itself,
and fanfics are free to contradict each other.

: It is a group of people who want to DO something, create something, and
: contribute something, rather than mindlessly reread what JKR wrote.
: Some people like to do some of the work for themselves, others
: mindlessly watch reruns of 20 year old sitcoms on TV.

Writers with enough imagination will not reuse another's ideas.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Ron Hunter

2007-08-28 23:35:38 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>>>>>>> I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
:>>>>>>> have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
:>>>>>>> passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
:>>>>>>> .
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:>>>>>>> This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
:>>>>>>> scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
:>>>>>>> unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
:>>>>>>> would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
:>>>>>>> each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
:>>>>>>> Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
:>>>>>>> because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
:>>>>>>> works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?. Indeed,
:>>>>>>> the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
:>>>>>>> queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
:>>>>>>> The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
:>>>>>>> the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
:>>>>>>> ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
:>>>>>>> the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
:>>>>>>> (shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the prevasiveness of
:>>>>>>> evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
:>>>>>>> life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
:>>>>>>> having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
:>>>>>>> wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
:>>>>>>> And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
:>>>>>>> were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
:>>>>>>> Harry's celebrity.
:>>>>>>> Peter
:>>>>>> There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
:>>>>>> that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
:>>>>>> fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.
:>>>>> But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
:>>>>> Babs
:>>>> Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
:>>>> the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
:>>>> Canon, on the other hand...
:>>> But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't understand
:>>> why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it only gives
:>>> wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story of what they
:>>> wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not really what
:>>> happened... JKR just should have written a better last book and I can't
:>>> believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to tie up some
:>>> loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
:>>> babs
:>> Well, I don't see fanfiction the way you do. I find reading it very
:>> rewarding, and some of the stories are way better than HBP and DH. If
:>> it gives one pleasure, and it is free, and no harm comes from it, then
:>> why not? And as to it being 'canon' (not 'cannon', thats an artillery
:>> piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is
:>> that it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR
:>> stories. Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
:>> Try it, you might like it.
:>
:> Because it is not written by JKR. That simple. Fanfiction is not canon
:> and never will be canon. It's just wannabe writers who don't have the
:> imagination to come up with their own stuff so they borrow other
:> people's ideas and characters and write what they wanted instead of
:> just enjoying the world created for them.
:>
: Just because it wasn't written by JKR, does NOT mean it is not canon.
It most certainly DOES.
: The term only means that it is consistent with what is in the books, and
: contradicts nothing in her magical world.
No.
The Canon is what JKR has said is canon,and nothing else.
Fanfic that doesn't openly contradict this is "consistent with" canon,
but not PART OF the canon.The canon must be consistent with itself,
and fanfics are free to contradict each other.
: It is a group of people who want to DO something, create something, and
: contribute something, rather than mindlessly reread what JKR wrote.
: Some people like to do some of the work for themselves, others
: mindlessly watch reruns of 20 year old sitcoms on TV.
Writers with enough imagination will not reuse another's ideas.

I feel that using the universe created by another for stories is the
sincerest flattery one can offer. I suppose you never camp where others
have been before, and always blaze your own trail across country when
driving?
Not all of use have the ability to make up a whole new universe, but we
can still tell a pretty good story. So, how much fanfiction have you
actually read?

Paracelsus

2007-08-29 01:06:21 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>>>>>>> I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
:>>>>>>> have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
:>>>>>>> passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
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:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
:>>>>>>> scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
:>>>>>>> unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
:>>>>>>> would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
:>>>>>>> each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
:>>>>>>> Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
:>>>>>>> because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
:>>>>>>> works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?.
Indeed,
:>>>>>>> the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
:>>>>>>> queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
:>>>>>>> The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
:>>>>>>> the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
:>>>>>>> ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
:>>>>>>> the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
:>>>>>>> (shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the
prevasiveness of
:>>>>>>> evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
:>>>>>>> life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
:>>>>>>> having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
:>>>>>>> wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
:>>>>>>> And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
:>>>>>>> were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
:>>>>>>> Harry's celebrity.
:>>>>>>> Peter
:>>>>>> There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
:>>>>>> that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
:>>>>>> fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.
:>>>>> But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
:>>>>> Babs
:>>>> Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
:>>>> the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
:>>>> Canon, on the other hand...
:>>> But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't understand
:>>> why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it only gives
:>>> wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story of what they
:>>> wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not really what
:>>> happened... JKR just should have written a better last book and I can't
:>>> believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to tie up some
:>>> loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
:>>> babs
:>> Well, I don't see fanfiction the way you do. I find reading it very
:>> rewarding, and some of the stories are way better than HBP and DH. If
:>> it gives one pleasure, and it is free, and no harm comes from it, then
:>> why not? And as to it being 'canon' (not 'cannon', thats an artillery
:>> piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is
:>> that it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR
:>> stories. Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
:>> Try it, you might like it.
:> :> Because it is not written by JKR. That simple. Fanfiction is
not canon
:> and never will be canon. It's just wannabe writers who don't have the
:> imagination to come up with their own stuff so they borrow other
:> people's ideas and characters and write what they wanted instead of
:> just enjoying the world created for them.
:> : Just because it wasn't written by JKR, does NOT mean it is not
canon.
It most certainly DOES.
: The term only means that it is consistent with what is in the
books, and : contradicts nothing in her magical world.
No.
The Canon is what JKR has said is canon,and nothing else.
Fanfic that doesn't openly contradict this is "consistent with" canon,
but not PART OF the canon.The canon must be consistent with itself,
and fanfics are free to contradict each other.
: It is a group of people who want to DO something, create something,
and : contribute something, rather than mindlessly reread what JKR
wrote. : Some people like to do some of the work for themselves,
others : mindlessly watch reruns of 20 year old sitcoms on TV.
Writers with enough imagination will not reuse another's ideas.

I feel that using the universe created by another for stories is the
sincerest flattery one can offer. I suppose you never camp where
others have been before, and always blaze your own trail across
country when driving?
Not all of use have the ability to make up a whole new universe, but
we can still tell a pretty good story. So, how much fanfiction have
you actually read?

I have read a bit of fanfiction and even tried my hand at writing a
couple of pieces. Writing fanfiction allows you to have the fun of
telling a story without the hard work of inventing characters and a setting.

What reading and writing fanfiction brought into focus for me was the
difference between a good writer and a great writer. A greater writer
knows what to leave out. A lot of good fanfiction reads like something
that JKR could have written but didn't.

I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank. She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions. She could have filled a chapter or two
telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of
school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married, had
children and stayed friends.

Ron Hunter

2007-08-29 08:35:03 UTC

Post by Paracelsus

Post by Louis Epstein
:>>>>>>> I still see people on the tube reading HP7, presumably now the kids
:>>>>>>> have read it it's the parents' turn. So - spoiler alert (and also
:>>>>>>> passing references to Lord of the Rings and Romeo and Juliet!)
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
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:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> .
:>>>>>>> This may mave been said before - there are just too many posts to
:>>>>>>> scroll through! I found the endding of the last book
:>>>>>>> unsatisfactory. No, not because it didn't end as I predicted. I
:>>>>>>> would have had Hermione and Ron good friends, but not married to
:>>>>>>> each other, and Hermione taking over the Daily Prophet or the
:>>>>>>> Quibbler and turning it into a quality broadsheet. Nor was it
:>>>>>>> because of improbable plot devices, which have been known in other
:>>>>>>> works. Why did Juliet not escape with Romeo to Mantua?.
Indeed,
:>>>>>>> the whole series has been entralling, and any writer who has kids
:>>>>>>> queuing up to read a book deserves praise.
:>>>>>>> The plot moved too quickly from the battle of Hogwarts, with many of
:>>>>>>> the secondary characters slain, to "...and they all lived happily
:>>>>>>> ever after". Life isn't like that. In Lord of the Rings, after
:>>>>>>> the defeat of Sauron we move the the Scouring of the Shire
:>>>>>>> (shamefully omitted from the film) which shows the
prevasiveness of
:>>>>>>> evil and how Frodo is too deeply scarred to return to a normal
:>>>>>>> life. Harry's experiences must have similarly affected him, and
:>>>>>>> having watched him grow up I want to know how he coped afterwards. Even
:>>>>>>> wizards may be susceptible to post traumatic stress disorder.
:>>>>>>> And, yes, I would have liked to read how Hogwarts and the Ministry
:>>>>>>> were rebuilt, and how Harry and Ginny's relationship survived
:>>>>>>> Harry's celebrity.
:>>>>>>> Peter
:>>>>>> There are a LOT of fanfiction stories that are beginning to show up
:>>>>>> that address these issues. Wait a few weeks, and then visit
:>>>>>> fanfiction.net, and pick the ones you like.
:>>>>> But they aren't "cannon" and therefore I don't bother with them....
:>>>>> Babs
:>>>> Of course they're not cannon! Getting that sort of calibre armament onto
:>>>> the internet is bloody difficult at the best of times.
:>>>> Canon, on the other hand...
:>>> But why bother with fanfiction? If it's not cannon then I don't understand
:>>> why people read it... It does not add to the actual story, it only gives
:>>> wanna-be writers a chance to write their version of the story of what they
:>>> wish happened but it is not what JKR wrote so it's not really what
:>>> happened... JKR just should have written a better last book and I can't
:>>> believe her editors didn't go 'whoa there sister, you need to tie up some
:>>> loose ends or your readers will be unhappy"...
:>>> babs
:>> Well, I don't see fanfiction the way you do. I find reading it very
:>> rewarding, and some of the stories are way better than HBP and DH. If
:>> it gives one pleasure, and it is free, and no harm comes from it, then
:>> why not? And as to it being 'canon' (not 'cannon', thats an artillery
:>> piece), the only requirement for a fanfiction piece to be 'canon' is
:>> that it not violate any of the situations, or 'rules' of the JKR
:>> stories. Those that do are labeled appropriately (AU).
:>> Try it, you might like it.
:> :> Because it is not written by JKR. That simple. Fanfiction is
not canon
:> and never will be canon. It's just wannabe writers who don't have the
:> imagination to come up with their own stuff so they borrow other
:> people's ideas and characters and write what they wanted instead of
:> just enjoying the world created for them.
:> : Just because it wasn't written by JKR, does NOT mean it is not
canon.
It most certainly DOES.
: The term only means that it is consistent with what is in the
books, and : contradicts nothing in her magical world.
No.
The Canon is what JKR has said is canon,and nothing else.
Fanfic that doesn't openly contradict this is "consistent with" canon,
but not PART OF the canon.The canon must be consistent with itself,
and fanfics are free to contradict each other.
: It is a group of people who want to DO something, create something,
and : contribute something, rather than mindlessly reread what JKR
wrote. : Some people like to do some of the work for themselves,
others : mindlessly watch reruns of 20 year old sitcoms on TV.
Writers with enough imagination will not reuse another's ideas.

I feel that using the universe created by another for stories is the
sincerest flattery one can offer. I suppose you never camp where
others have been before, and always blaze your own trail across
country when driving?
Not all of use have the ability to make up a whole new universe, but
we can still tell a pretty good story. So, how much fanfiction have
you actually read?

I have read a bit of fanfiction and even tried my hand at writing a
couple of pieces. Writing fanfiction allows you to have the fun of
telling a story without the hard work of inventing characters and a setting.
What reading and writing fanfiction brought into focus for me was the
difference between a good writer and a great writer. A greater writer
knows what to leave out. A lot of good fanfiction reads like something
that JKR could have written but didn't.
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank. She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions. She could have filled a chapter or two
telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of
school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married, had
children and stayed friends.

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!
I found it unsatisfying, and inadequate, leaving more questions than it
answered.

Paracelsus

2007-08-30 00:51:28 UTC

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Post by Paracelsus

Post by Ron Hunter
I feel that using the universe created by another for stories is the
sincerest flattery one can offer. I suppose you never camp where
others have been before, and always blaze your own trail across
country when driving?
Not all of use have the ability to make up a whole new universe, but
we can still tell a pretty good story. So, how much fanfiction have
you actually read?

I have read a bit of fanfiction and even tried my hand at writing a
couple of pieces. Writing fanfiction allows you to have the fun of
telling a story without the hard work of inventing characters and a setting.
What reading and writing fanfiction brought into focus for me was the
difference between a good writer and a great writer. A greater writer
knows what to leave out. A lot of good fanfiction reads like
something that JKR could have written but didn't.
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a
literary writer of the first rank. She didn't write it to make her
fans happy by answering all their questions. She could have filled a
chapter or two telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters,
Harry's last year of school, the character's career choices,
political reform in the wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she
focused on what she thought were the essentials. We learn that the
lead characters got married, had children and stayed friends.

I do not consider the epilogue an example of good writing. I consider it
great writing. Good writers worry about keeping the fans happy by
answering all their questions by the last chapter. Great writers try to
say something about what they believe to be essential in life. One of
the ways they do that is by stripping their conclusion of all the
details they believe to be inessential. What we learn from the epilogue
is that Harry, Ron and Hermione continued to love and be loved by their
friends and family. JKR is saying that these are the important things,
the questions I didn't answer are secondary.

Ron Hunter

2007-08-30 01:04:31 UTC

Post by Paracelsus
[stuff deleted]

Post by Paracelsus

I have read a bit of fanfiction and even tried my hand at writing a
couple of pieces. Writing fanfiction allows you to have the fun of
telling a story without the hard work of inventing characters and a setting.
What reading and writing fanfiction brought into focus for me was the
difference between a good writer and a great writer. A greater writer
knows what to leave out. A lot of good fanfiction reads like
something that JKR could have written but didn't.
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a
literary writer of the first rank. She didn't write it to make her
fans happy by answering all their questions. She could have filled a
chapter or two telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters,
Harry's last year of school, the character's career choices,
political reform in the wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she
focused on what she thought were the essentials. We learn that the
lead characters got married, had children and stayed friends.

Remind me not to read any other things you think are by great writers.
It was an insult, compounded with interest.

Louis Epstein

2007-08-30 03:21:35 UTC

Paracelsus <***@_nospam_shaw.ca> wrote:
: Ron Hunter wrote:
:
:> Paracelsus wrote:
:>
:>> Ron Hunter wrote:
:>>
: [stuff deleted]
:
:>>> I feel that using the universe created by another for stories is the
:>>> sincerest flattery one can offer. I suppose you never camp where
:>>> others have been before, and always blaze your own trail across
:>>> country when driving?
:>>> Not all of use have the ability to make up a whole new universe, but
:>>> we can still tell a pretty good story. So, how much fanfiction have
:>>> you actually read?
:>>
:>>
:>> I have read a bit of fanfiction and even tried my hand at writing a
:>> couple of pieces. Writing fanfiction allows you to have the fun of
:>> telling a story without the hard work of inventing characters and a
:>> setting.
:>>
:>> What reading and writing fanfiction brought into focus for me was the
:>> difference between a good writer and a great writer. A greater writer
:>> knows what to leave out. A lot of good fanfiction reads like
:>> something that JKR could have written but didn't.
:>>
:>> I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a
:>> literary writer of the first rank. She didn't write it to make her
:>> fans happy by answering all their questions. She could have filled a
:>> chapter or two telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters,
:>> Harry's last year of school, the character's career choices,
:>> political reform in the wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she
:>> focused on what she thought were the essentials. We learn that the
:>> lead characters got married, had children and stayed friends.
:>
:>
:> Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
:> pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
:> were downright offended by it!
:> I found it unsatisfying, and inadequate, leaving more questions than
:> it answered.
:
: I do not consider the epilogue an example of good writing. I consider
: it great writing. Good writers worry about keeping the fans happy by
: answering all their questions by the last chapter. Great writers try
: to say something about what they believe to be essential in life. One
: of the ways they do that is by stripping their conclusion of all the
: details they believe to be inessential. What we learn from the epilogue
: is that Harry, Ron and Hermione continued to love and be loved by their
: friends and family. JKR is saying that these are the important things,
: the questions I didn't answer are secondary.

Readers who prefer to have their questions answered
will not prefer writers who refuse to answer them.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Barry Gray

2007-08-31 19:14:29 UTC

[Huge snip}

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank. She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions. She could have filled a chapter or two
telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of
school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married, had
children and stayed friends.

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Ron Hunter

2007-08-31 21:04:38 UTC

Post by Barry Gray
[Huge snip}

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

You take the poll. I have been here long enough to know that most of
the people here aren't happy with the epilogue, and neither are some
people who have opinions I trust, who agree that it was terrible.

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-08-31 22:30:45 UTC

Post by Barry Gray
[Huge snip}

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

I was satisfied. I really hadn't expected more. I also know that I am in
the absolute minority.
--
Chris

DaveD

2007-09-01 10:40:34 UTC

Post by Barry Gray
[Huge snip}

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

Certainly, from reading posts here, the vast majority didn't like the
epilogue. Whether that's true of the wider DH-reading population, who knows.
But it does seem to be true of people posting on afh-p.

Post by Ron Hunter
You take the poll. I have been here long enough to know that most of
the people here aren't happy with the epilogue, and neither are some
people who have opinions I trust, who agree that it was terrible.

I was satisfied. I really hadn't expected more. I also know that I am in
the absolute minority.
--
Chris

Indeed you are, Chris :)

DaveD

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-01 17:46:15 UTC

Post by DaveD

Post by Barry Gray
[Huge snip}

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

I was satisfied. I really hadn't expected more. I also know that I am in
the absolute minority.
--
Chris

Indeed you are, Chris :)

And me without a son like you to keep the saucy male line going! <Err,
wait a minute...>
--
Chris

DaveD

2007-09-03 21:26:05 UTC

Post by DaveD

Post by Barry Gray
[Huge snip}

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

I was satisfied. I really hadn't expected more. I also know that I am in
the absolute minority.
--
Chris

Indeed you are, Chris :)

And me without a son like you to keep the saucy male line going! <Err,
wait a minute...>
--
Chris

ROFL - exactly! (And pretty much my father's reaction too!)

DaveD

Sue H

2007-09-01 13:50:14 UTC

Post by Barry Gray
[Huge snip}

Well, if you consider the epilogue an example of good writing, you are
pretty much out of touch with the vast majority of other readers who
were downright offended by it!

Evidence for this statement please.

I don't know about you're thinking people say it's great writing. I
think most here did not like it. So opposite reasons listed:

It seemed rushed
It did not give updates on other pretty major characters
It didn't give us a more detailed view of what happened to life in
general (who was imprisoned etc) after the war
We never got to see if characters like Mrs. Weasley did ok afterwards
It was too easy to foresee some of the outcomes it DID have.

Bill Blakely

2007-09-01 15:38:01 UTC

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Post by Paracelsus
She could have filled a chapter or two
telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of
school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married, had
children and stayed friends.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.

Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.

I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Sue H

2007-09-01 17:03:43 UTC

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.
-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-01 20:36:12 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

Bill Blakely

2007-09-01 22:00:51 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

Apparently she originally wrote a far better epilogue, then somehow
talked herself out of using it, which is sad. As it is, it's a little
Beethoven ending his Ninth Symphony with the sound of someone sitting
on a whoopee cushion and almost gives the appearance of her thumbing
her nose at her fans, although I don't believe that was her intent.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-01 23:24:58 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans
happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

LOL! I see a great irony in that evaluation. As far back as we can trace
the male line of my family (ca. 1450), we have all been born and/or
lived in what is now historical Beethoven territory. The second language
on the streets is Japanese for all the tourists we get who worship the
Ninth. The big family question on the ending is "What the hell was the
man ever thinking when he wrote that?". Perhaps the Japanese will love
JKR's epilogue when it's translated.

BTW, most locals prefer Schumann's Third (Rhenish/Rheinische) Symphony.
--
Chris

Ron Hunter

2007-09-02 07:54:58 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans
happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

LOL! I see a great irony in that evaluation. As far back as we can trace
the male line of my family (ca. 1450), we have all been born and/or
lived in what is now historical Beethoven territory. The second language
on the streets is Japanese for all the tourists we get who worship the
Ninth. The big family question on the ending is "What the hell was the
man ever thinking when he wrote that?". Perhaps the Japanese will love
JKR's epilogue when it's translated.
BTW, most locals prefer Schumann's Third (Rhenish/Rheinische) Symphony.
--
Chris

Perhaps, but imagine if the whole thing was written for only a single
instrument. How much would people like it?

Ron Hunter

2007-09-02 07:53:34 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
get her to put the original epilogue on her website....

Sue H

2007-09-02 15:03:34 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
get her to put the original epilogue on her website....

I contacted her publisher once. She doesn't get any letters sent to
her. They are instructed to get rid of them without opening them.
Her, Radcliffe and Oldman are my missing graphs. Anyway, maybe an
email petition?

Louis Epstein

2007-09-02 17:35:51 UTC

Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
: On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:53:34 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
: wrote:
:
:>Bill Blakely wrote:
:>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:36:12 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
:>> wrote:
:>>
:>>> Sue H wrote:
:>>>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely
:>>>> <***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
:>>>>
:>>>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus
:>>>>> <***@_nospam_shaw.ca> wrote:
:>>>>>
:>>>>>> I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
:>>>>>> writer of the first rank.
:>>>>> If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
:>>>>> certainly on the short list.
:>>>>>
:>>>>>> She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
:>>>>>> answering all their questions.
:>>>>> Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
:>>>>> her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!
:>>>> Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
:>>>> She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
:>>>> was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.
:>>>>
:>>>>>> She could have filled a chapter or two
:>>>>>> telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of
:>>>>>> school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
:>>>>>> wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
:>>>>>> were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married, had
:>>>>>> children and stayed friends.
:>>>>> Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
:>>>>> epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
:>>>>> happen without it as of the end of DH.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
:>>>>> on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
:>>>>> reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
:>>>>> when it was leaked on the net.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.
:>>>>>
:>>>
:>>> Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
:>>> Surely not her average reader.
:>>
:>> Apparently she originally wrote a far better epilogue, then somehow
:>> talked herself out of using it, which is sad. As it is, it's a little
:>> Beethoven ending his Ninth Symphony with the sound of someone sitting
:>> on a whoopee cushion and almost gives the appearance of her thumbing
:>> her nose at her fans, although I don't believe that was her intent.
:>>
:>I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
:>get her to put the original epilogue on her website....
:
: I contacted her publisher once. She doesn't get any letters sent to
: her. They are instructed to get rid of them without opening them.

Very interesting!
So just where does she get her "FAQ Poll" entries if
she never sees her letters?...or are contents tabulated
for her by the people who throw them away?

: Her, Radcliffe and Oldman are my missing graphs. Anyway, maybe an
: email petition?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Sue H

2007-09-02 19:24:34 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>>
:>>>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely
:>>>>
:>>>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus
:>>>>>
:>>>>>> I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
:>>>>>> writer of the first rank.
:>>>>> If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
:>>>>> certainly on the short list.
:>>>>>
:>>>>>> She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
:>>>>>> answering all their questions.
:>>>>> Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
:>>>>> her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!
:>>>> Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
:>>>> She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
:>>>> was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.
:>>>>
:>>>>>> She could have filled a chapter or two
:>>>>>> telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of
:>>>>>> school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
:>>>>>> wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
:>>>>>> were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married, had
:>>>>>> children and stayed friends.
:>>>>> Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
:>>>>> epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
:>>>>> happen without it as of the end of DH.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
:>>>>> on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
:>>>>> reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
:>>>>> when it was leaked on the net.
:>>>>>
:>>>>> I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.
:>>>>>
:>>>
:>>> Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
:>>> Surely not her average reader.
:>>
:>> Apparently she originally wrote a far better epilogue, then somehow
:>> talked herself out of using it, which is sad. As it is, it's a little
:>> Beethoven ending his Ninth Symphony with the sound of someone sitting
:>> on a whoopee cushion and almost gives the appearance of her thumbing
:>> her nose at her fans, although I don't believe that was her intent.
:>>
:>I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
:>get her to put the original epilogue on her website....
: I contacted her publisher once. She doesn't get any letters sent to
: her. They are instructed to get rid of them without opening them.
Very interesting!
So just where does she get her "FAQ Poll" entries if
she never sees her letters?...or are contents tabulated
for her by the people who throw them away?

Probably from the website/emails and chats. Of course I wrote her
about 2 years ago so maybe it's changed now.

Post by Louis Epstein
: Her, Radcliffe and Oldman are my missing graphs. Anyway, maybe an
: email petition?
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

2007-09-03 00:33:24 UTC

Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
: On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:35:51 -0500, Louis Epstein <***@main.put.com>
: wrote:
:
:>Sue H <***@cox.net> wrote:
:>: On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:53:34 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
:>: wrote:
:>:
:>:>Bill Blakely wrote:
:>:>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:36:12 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
:>:>> wrote:
:>:>>
:>:>>> Sue H wrote:
:>:>>>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely
:>:>>>> <***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
:>:>>>>
:>:>>>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus
:>:>>>>> <***@_nospam_shaw.ca> wrote:
:>:>>>>>
:>:>>>>>> I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
:>:>>>>>> writer of the first rank.
:>:>>>>> If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
:>:>>>>> certainly on the short list.
:>:>>>>>
:>:>>>>>> She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
:>:>>>>>> answering all their questions.
:>:>>>>> Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
:>:>>>>> her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!
:>:>>>> Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
:>:>>>> She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
:>:>>>> was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.
:>:>>>>
:>:>>>>>> She could have filled a chapter or two
:>:>>>>>> telling us about the trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year
:>:>>>>>> of school, the character's career choices, political reform in the
:>:>>>>>> wizarding world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought
:>:>>>>>> were the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married,
:>:>>>>>> had children and stayed friends.
:>:>>>>> Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
:>:>>>>> epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
:>:>>>>> happen without it as of the end of DH.
:>:>>>>>
:>:>>>>> Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
:>:>>>>> on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
:>:>>>>> reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
:>:>>>>> when it was leaked on the net.
:>:>>>>>
:>:>>>>> I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.
:>:>>>>>
:>:>>>
:>:>>> Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
:>:>>> Surely not her average reader.
:>:>>
:>:>> Apparently she originally wrote a far better epilogue, then somehow
:>:>> talked herself out of using it, which is sad. As it is, it's a little
:>:>> Beethoven ending his Ninth Symphony with the sound of someone sitting
:>:>> on a whoopee cushion and almost gives the appearance of her thumbing
:>:>> her nose at her fans, although I don't believe that was her intent.
:>:>>
:>:>I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
:>:>get her to put the original epilogue on her website....
:>:
:>: I contacted her publisher once. She doesn't get any letters sent to
:>: her. They are instructed to get rid of them without opening them.
:>
:>Very interesting!
:>So just where does she get her "FAQ Poll" entries if
:>she never sees her letters?...or are contents tabulated
:>for her by the people who throw them away?
:
: Probably from the website/emails and chats.

Her website is deliberately designed to have no email link
or forum (you may recall the postings here from someone who
set up a message board her people thought implied too strongly
that it was for discussion attached to her website,and they
demanded the domain name be turned over and website closed).

: Of course I wrote her about 2 years ago so maybe it's changed now.
:
:>: Her, Radcliffe and Oldman are my missing graphs. Anyway, maybe an
:>: email petition?
:>
:>-=-=-
:>The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
:>at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
:

Ron Hunter

2007-09-02 19:32:24 UTC

Post by Sue H

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
get her to put the original epilogue on her website....

That's pretty darn RUDE. Most celebs at least hire people to send form
letters in response to fan mail.

Sue H

2007-09-02 19:45:38 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
get her to put the original epilogue on her website....

That's pretty darn RUDE. Most celebs at least hire people to send form
letters in response to fan mail.

Actually my contact was via email. I wrote and had no response and so
tried the publisher for a "statement" I could take to fans. They said
it's not that she doesn't appreciate the fans, it's just that it's
such a large volume of mail it can't be handled so they chose that
method. There was also mention of no longer doing book tours and
signing in the US either because there was an incident. I put that in
my online diary at the time.

Seems that a couple years back there was a brawl at a book signing
which started with two women arguing over someone cutting in line and
apparently it became a huge incident. She felt the entire thing was
very undignified and it was adults causing the problems. From there
she just went on to sign for charities and a handful of people close
to her. With the exception of one or two recently, any autographs
from POA, GOF, OOTP, HPB are 95% forgeries. Don't buy off Ebay. Her
signature is one of the most forged.

DaveD

2007-09-03 21:26:06 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
get her to put the original epilogue on her website....

That's pretty darn RUDE. Most celebs at least hire people to send form
letters in response to fan mail.

Hmm, I seem to recall a programme about her a little while ago and she had a
couple of secretaries/PAs or small team who did go through her post and
respond.

Unless she gets that much business post alone it takes 2 people just to deal
with that side of things (who knew being so rich was such hard work, lol)
and she ignores the fanmail as that would then require a small army...

DaveD.

DaveD

2007-09-02 19:47:59 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her accountant?
Surely not her average reader.

LOL - exactly!

Post by Bill Blakely
Apparently she originally wrote a far better epilogue, then somehow
talked herself out of using it, which is sad. As it is, it's a little
Beethoven ending his Ninth Symphony with the sound of someone sitting
on a whoopee cushion and almost gives the appearance of her thumbing
her nose at her fans, although I don't believe that was her intent.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to get
her to put the original epilogue on her website....

They do say always trust your instincts - like in exams, never change your
first answer unless you are absolutely sure and can prove it's wrong
(unfortunately I hadn't heard that advice 2 years ago, and did exactly that
in an exam. I left out depreciation in an answer, then thought that was
wrong and so raced the rest of the paper to have enough time to go back and
include depreciation. It turns out that was the one occasion where you do
ignore it!)

Looks like JKR made the same mistake here - whatever convinced her to change
it? But given she presumably has already written it (or planned it enough to
make writing it fairly easy) perhaps she could either put it on her site or
even include it as an appendix to the encyclopaedia she's suggested doing.

Either way, perhaps a petition from leaky or mugglenet is the way to go, as
she's more likely to listen to them and they're more likely to get large
numbers signing :)

DaveD

Drusilla

2007-09-03 03:24:19 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a
literary writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her
fans happy by answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Post by Paracelsus
She could have filled a chapter or two telling us about the
trials with the Death Eaters, Harry's last year of school, the
character's career choices, political reform in the wizarding
world and so forth. Instead, she focused on what she thought were
the essentials. We learn that the lead characters got married,
had children and stayed friends.

Those are not the essentials, not all of them, anyway, and the
epilogue told us almost nothing we wouldn't have just assumed would
happen without it as of the end of DH.
Even leaving aside what it should have been but wasn't and taking it
on its own merits, the epilogue is weak, to put it charitably, and
reads like fan fiction, which is exactly why I was sure it was a fake
when it was leaked on the net.
I wish JKR had saved the best for last, but unfortunately, she didn't.

Where did she find anyone who liked it? Her publicist? Her
accountant? Surely not her average reader.

I wonder if it would be possible to start a letter-writing campaign to
get her to put the original epilogue on her website....

If this epilogue had more than one page - which surely did - I suppose
we might see at least one of them on her website as one of the rewards
for the scrapbook.

Bill Blakely

2007-09-01 21:23:35 UTC

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Who liked it!!?? I feel very safe in saying that people in general
did not like it.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Sue H

2007-09-02 14:41:15 UTC

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:23:35 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Sue H
On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:38:01 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:06:21 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus
I think that the epilogue is what really establishes JKR as a literary
writer of the first rank.

If that's not the strangest thing I've read on this news group, it's
certainly on the short list.

Post by Paracelsus
She didn't write it to make her fans happy by
answering all their questions.

Oh, heaven forbid that she should make her fans, fans who stayed with
her for up to ten years and who made her a billionaire, happy!!

Although I agree with you personally, the other poster is correct.
She didn't write this for the fans. She admitted that. She said it
was only for herself but she's glad people liked it.

Who liked it!!?? I feel very safe in saying that people in general
did not like it.
-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Maybe they don't like it, but JK doesn't care.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-02 19:31:05 UTC