Shell Cottage And Secret Keepers: DH Spoilers

[Tim Bruening]

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.

Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

[Meghan Noecker]

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:26:48 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Isn't that where Harry and Hagrid went to when they left Privet Drive?
And Bill came out and took Harry inside, thus revealing the secret to
him.

[Pete D]

Post by Meghan Noecker
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:26:48 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Isn't that where Harry and Hagrid went to when they left Privet Drive?
And Bill came out and took Harry inside, thus revealing the secret to
him.

No, they went to Tonks house.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Meghan Noecker
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:26:48 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Isn't that where Harry and Hagrid went to when they left Privet Drive?
And Bill came out and took Harry inside, thus revealing the secret to
him.

Harry and Hagrid went to the home of Ted and Andromeda Tonks.

[Toon]

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:00:59 -0700, Meghan Noecker

Post by Meghan Noecker
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:26:48 -0700, Tim Bruening

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Isn't that where Harry and Hagrid went to when they left Privet Drive?
And Bill came out and took Harry inside, thus revealing the secret to
him.

Well, it worked for Yaxley with 12PD.

[Sabremeister Brian]

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Sabremeister Brian

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

He could have been given a piece of paper to show Ron, but he could NOT
have just told him the address. The spell works to prevent ANYONE but
the secret keeper from saying the address.

[Toon]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:45:26 +0100, "Sabremeister Brian"

Post by Sabremeister Brian
Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

It wasn't a secret at that time. Seems to have been a recent
development after they arrived. Perhaps because they arrived.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Sabremeister Brian

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.

[Thom Madura]

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Sabremeister Brian

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.

Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
not be possible.

AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.

No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
the Potters hiding there.

THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
years that made it unplottable (Etc).

[Toon]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:50:52 -0400, Thom Madura

Post by Thom Madura
Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
not be possible.

It sure made 12GP invisible.

Post by Thom Madura
AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.

and Snape was at 12 GP dozens of times. Yet he could not tell anybody
the order was there, and leading anyone there leads to nothing. In
DH, DE's stationed themselves where 12GP should be, but couldn't find
it, knowing it was there.

Draco, would come home to a house that was gone. Even knowing it was
there, he could never see it nor enter it until he was told the
secret.

Post by Thom Madura
No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
the Potters hiding there.

Because the secret was about the Potters, not the house. 12GP was
invisible because the secret was about the house itself.

Post by Thom Madura
THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
years that made it unplottable (Etc).

Yet Harry couldn't see until until he learned the secret, and thought
about it.

Yaxley or whoever it was got side along apped to it, and then could
see it, and enter at will.

Therefore, a building can be made invisible by the Fedielus Charm. Not
everything under oen would become invisible.

[SPT]

Post by Toon
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:50:52 -0400, Thom Madura

Post by Thom Madura
Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
not be possible.

It sure made 12GP invisible.

Post by Thom Madura
AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.

and Snape was at 12 GP dozens of times. Yet he could not tell anybody
the order was there, and leading anyone there leads to nothing. In
DH, DE's stationed themselves where 12GP should be, but couldn't find
it, knowing it was there.
Draco, would come home to a house that was gone. Even knowing it was
there, he could never see it nor enter it until he was told the
secret.

Post by Thom Madura
No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
the Potters hiding there.

Because the secret was about the Potters, not the house. 12GP was
invisible because the secret was about the house itself.

Post by Thom Madura
THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
years that made it unplottable (Etc).

Yet Harry couldn't see until until he learned the secret, and thought
about it.
Yaxley or whoever it was got side along apped to it, and then could
see it, and enter at will.
Therefore, a building can be made invisible by the Fedielus Charm. Not
everything under oen would become invisible.

I guess Bill must have let Dobby in on the secret. This would be
thinking pretty far ahead, but remember, he was Head Boy.

[Dwayne & Angela]

Post by SPT
I guess Bill must have let Dobby in on the secret. This would be
thinking pretty far ahead, but remember, he was Head Boy.

The way I see it he wouldnt need to, the rules for house elf apparition seem
to be worlds apart from wizard apparition.

[SPT]

On Sep 14, 10:48 am, "Dwayne & Angela"

Post by Dwayne & Angela

Post by SPT
I guess Bill must have let Dobby in on the secret. This would be
thinking pretty far ahead, but remember, he was Head Boy.

The way I see it he wouldnt need to, the rules for house elf apparition seem
to be worlds apart from wizard apparition.

We can't have house elves just appear at a Fidelius protected house.
If that was true, anyone with a house elf could break the Fidelius
charm.

How about the following chain of circumstances: Dobby appears near
Shell cottage with Luna, etc.. Bill, out working in the garden sees
them and goes to them. Then he tells Dobby the secret of Shell
Cottage. Dobby goes back and brings back the trio?

Actually, of course, it is just a plot hole.

[Sabremeister Brian]

In a speech called

Post by SPT
On Sep 14, 10:48 am, "Dwayne & Angela"

Post by Dwayne & Angela

Post by SPT
I guess Bill must have let Dobby in on the secret. This would be
thinking pretty far ahead, but remember, he was Head Boy.

The way I see it he wouldnt need to, the rules for house elf
apparition seem to be worlds apart from wizard apparition.

We can't have house elves just appear at a Fidelius protected house.
If that was true, anyone with a house elf could break the Fidelius
charm.
How about the following chain of circumstances: Dobby appears near
Shell cottage with Luna, etc.. Bill, out working in the garden sees
them and goes to them. Then he tells Dobby the secret of Shell
Cottage. Dobby goes back and brings back the trio?
Actually, of course, it is just a plot hole.

Probably not. I've just checked, and from the conversation Harry
overhears after burying Dobby, it appears that the Fidelius charm has
just been set up on the property in the last few minutes, triggered by
Harry et al's arrival.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Thom Madura

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by Sabremeister Brian

Post by Tim Bruening
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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.

Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
not be possible.
AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.
No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
the Potters hiding there.
THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
years that made it unplottable (Etc).

12 Grimmauld Place was invisible to Potter until he remembered the note
written by Dumbledore the Secret Keeper, so I thought that the FC was the
reason it was invisible.

[Louis Epstein]

Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
: Tim Bruening wrote:
:>
:> Sabremeister Brian wrote:
:>
:>> In a speech called ***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us,
:>> Tim Bruening (***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us) spake thusly:
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:>>> and Harry can see it.
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:>>> Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
:>>> Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
:>>> time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
:>>> revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?
:>> Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
:>> earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
:>> been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.
:>
:> I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
:> Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.
:>
:
: Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
: not be possible.

It most certainly IS consistently presented as making PLACES invisible
to those who have not been told they are there.Not only does 12 GP only
appear when Harry gets the address as relayed to him by the Secret Keeper,
and everyone not in on it thinks 11 and 13 GP are adjoining buildings,
it is said that someone could have been right next to James & Lily's
cottage and not notice it without having been told by their Secret Keeper.

: AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
: that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
: school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
: disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.

Exactly.

: No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
: example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
: there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
: the Potters hiding there.

Not how it was described.

: THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
: EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
: years that made it unplottable (Etc).

No...unplottable makes it unfindable by owls,etc.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Louis Epstein
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:>>> Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
:>>> and Harry can see it.
:>>>
:>>> Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
:>>> Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
:>>> time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
:>>> revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?
:>> Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
:>> earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
:>> been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.
:>
:> I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
:> Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.
:>
: Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
: not be possible.
It most certainly IS consistently presented as making PLACES invisible
to those who have not been told they are there.Not only does 12 GP only
appear when Harry gets the address as relayed to him by the Secret Keeper,
and everyone not in on it thinks 11 and 13 GP are adjoining buildings,
it is said that someone could have been right next to James & Lily's
cottage and not notice it without having been told by their Secret Keeper.
: AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
: that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
: school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
: disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.
Exactly.
: No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
: example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
: there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
: the Potters hiding there.
Not how it was described.
: THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
: EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
: years that made it unplottable (Etc).
No...unplottable makes it unfindable by owls,etc.

How did Hedwig find 12 Grimmauld Place in Order of the Pheonix?

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Louis Epstein
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:>>> and Harry can see it.
:>>>
:>>> Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
:>>> Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
:>>> time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
:>>> revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?
:>> Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
:>> earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
:>> been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.
:>
:> I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
:> Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.
:>
: Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
: not be possible.
It most certainly IS consistently presented as making PLACES invisible
to those who have not been told they are there.Not only does 12 GP only
appear when Harry gets the address as relayed to him by the Secret Keeper,
and everyone not in on it thinks 11 and 13 GP are adjoining buildings,
it is said that someone could have been right next to James & Lily's
cottage and not notice it without having been told by their Secret Keeper.
: AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
: that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
: school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
: disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.
Exactly.
: No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
: example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
: there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
: the Potters hiding there.
Not how it was described.
: THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
: EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
: years that made it unplottable (Etc).
No...unplottable makes it unfindable by owls,etc.

Owls seem to be able to find 12 GP. Don't the teens get their Hogwarts
letters there?
Hedwig certainly does find her way there, but then Hedwig IS special.

[Louis Epstein]

Ron Hunter <***@charter.net> wrote:
: Louis Epstein wrote:
:> Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
:> : Tim Bruening wrote:
:> :>
:> :> Sabremeister Brian wrote:
:> :>
:> :>> In a speech called ***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us,
:> :>> Tim Bruening (***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us) spake thusly:
:> :>>
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:> :>>> Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
:> :>>> and Harry can see it.
:> :>>>
:> :>>> Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
:> :>>> Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
:> :>>> time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
:> :>>> revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?
:> :>> Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
:> :>> earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
:> :>> been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.
:> :>
:> :> I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the address, as
:> :> Dumbledore did in OOTP via a written note.
:> :>
:> :
:> : Again - the Fidelius charm does not make the PLACE invisible. It would
:> : not be possible.
:>
:> It most certainly IS consistently presented as making PLACES invisible
:> to those who have not been told they are there.Not only does 12 GP only
:> appear when Harry gets the address as relayed to him by the Secret Keeper,
:> and everyone not in on it thinks 11 and 13 GP are adjoining buildings,
:> it is said that someone could have been right next to James & Lily's
:> cottage and not notice it without having been told by their Secret Keeper.
:>
:> : AS we said before - if it was - then one could create a fidelius charm
:> : that would make Hogwarts disappear - when thousands of people went to
:> : school there. If it was - then you could make the Malfoy residence
:> : disappear even from Draco - who has lived there all his life.
:>
:> Exactly.
:>
:> : No - the fidelius charm must protect what is going on in the place. For
:> : example - when the Potter residence was protected - the house was still
:> : there - however - even if you went there, you would not be able to find
:> : the Potters hiding there.
:>
:> Not how it was described.
:>
:> : THe fidelius charm protected the OOP at 12 Grimauld place - it was the
:> : EXTRA protections that THe Black family had put on the house over the
:> : years that made it unplottable (Etc).
:>
:> No...unplottable makes it unfindable by owls,etc.
:>
:
: Owls seem to be able to find 12 GP. Don't the teens get their Hogwarts
: letters there?
: Hedwig certainly does find her way there, but then Hedwig IS special.

There may be a way to tell an owl a Fideliused secret...
but if Aurors could send any fugitive an owl there wouldn't
be much way to hide!

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

I thought that only the Secret Keeper could reveal the location.

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage,
and Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron had been living there since he stormed out a couple of months
earlier. Ron told Harry and Dobby the address. Therefore Ron must have
been given permission to reveal the address by Bill.

How was Ron able to find it when he arrived there after storming out on Harry and Hermione?

[Nuki Mouse]

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron spent his Christmas there and knew it was just outside Tinsworth which
is just a general location, plus Bill (secret keeper) could have given Ron
permission to tell Harry & Hermione. When they all escaped the Malfoy's
Harry ended up in the countryside & not at an actual cottage, although he
could see a cottage in the distance. That could have been any cottage also
near Tinsworth.

Then Bill who IS the Shell Cottage secret keeper came out to meet them, so
he was the one who revealed the actual location of the cottage. The same
could have happen when Dobby took Luna, Dean, & Mr. Ollivander there
earlier. Before that Harry could have spent the rest of the book wandering
around Tinsworth without finding Shell Cottage.

Case in point, the Members of the OotP in book 5 had no trouble taking Harry
right to 12 GP but it took the actual note from DD (12 GP secret keeper)
before Harry could see it.

Nuki Mouse

[Shiral]

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Ron spent his Christmas there and knew it was just outside Tinsworth which
is just a general location, plus Bill (secret keeper) could have given Ron
permission to tell Harry & Hermione. When they all escaped the Malfoy's
Harry ended up in the countryside & not at an actual cottage, although he
could see a cottage in the distance. That could have been any cottage also
near Tinsworth.
Then Bill who IS the Shell Cottage secret keeper came out to meet them, so
he was the one who revealed the actual location of the cottage. The same
could have happen when Dobby took Luna, Dean, & Mr. Ollivander there
earlier. Before that Harry could have spent the rest of the book wandering
around Tinsworth without finding Shell Cottage.
Case in point, the Members of the OotP in book 5 had no trouble taking Harry
right to 12 GP but it took the actual note from DD (12 GP secret keeper)
before Harry could see it.
Nuki Mouse
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Maybe it was because they apparated there with Dobby, and it's another
way in which House Elves can do what wizards can't? (That's a theory,
anyway...)

But I think the theory that Shell Cottage was protected by a Fidelius
Charm after Harry et al arrived has merit.

Or maybe JKR was in a hurry to get Harry Ron and Hermione to safety
and fudged the Fidelius rules, a little.

Melissa

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Post by Shiral
Maybe it was because they apparated there with Dobby, and it's another
way in which House Elves can do what wizards can't? (That's a theory,
anyway...)

That is my thinking too. Are we clear if Harry was the one doing the
apparating or if it was Dobby. I wouldn't be surprised if house elfs
can penetrate a house protected by the fidelius charm.

Post by Shiral
But I think the theory that Shell Cottage was protected by a Fidelius
Charm after Harry et al arrived has merit.

Probably. It's only at that point that the Death Eaters know for sure
that Ron is with Harry, so that is the point the Weasley family is in
immediate danger.

Post by Shiral
Or maybe JKR was in a hurry to get Harry Ron and Hermione to safety
and fudged the Fidelius rules, a little.

Probably, but at least there are a few theories that can explain it
logically.

[Tonawanda Kardex]

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Dobby was with Harry when he first arrived at Shell Cottage, and we
have no idea how elves are limited by a Fidelius Charm. If elves can
apparate in and out of Hogwarts, why not within the boundaries of a
Fidelius Charm?

Also, when Harry and Dobby arrived at Shell Cottage, everyone came out
of the cottage itself to greet Harry, in essence welcoming him into
the fold.

[Sirius Kase]

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Dobby was with Harry when he first arrived at Shell Cottage, and we
have no idea how elves are limited by a Fidelius Charm. If elves can
apparate in and out of Hogwarts, why not within the boundaries of a
Fidelius Charm?
Also, when Harry and Dobby arrived at Shell Cottage, everyone came out
of the cottage itself to greet Harry, in essence welcoming him into
the fold.

Kreacher freely comes and goes from Grimmauld Place. Certainly, as
unpleasant as he was, he would not have been in on the secret and he
would have been unable to return when Sirius commanded him to leave.
Except, magic is different for elves and he was bonded to GP somehow.

[Tim Bruening]

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Post by Tonawanda Kardex

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Dobby was with Harry when he first arrived at Shell Cottage, and we
have no idea how elves are limited by a Fidelius Charm. If elves can
apparate in and out of Hogwarts, why not within the boundaries of a
Fidelius Charm?
Also, when Harry and Dobby arrived at Shell Cottage, everyone came out
of the cottage itself to greet Harry, in essence welcoming him into
the fold.

Kreacher freely comes and goes from Grimmauld Place. Certainly, as
unpleasant as he was, he would not have been in on the secret and he
would have been unable to return when Sirius commanded him to leave.
Except, magic is different for elves and he was bonded to GP somehow.

I assumed that Dumbledore had told him the secret, then Sirius told him not to
tell anyone about the Order of the Phoenix.

Kreacher would not have been able to tell anyone where the OOTP was anyway.

[Sirius Kase]

Post by Tim Bruening
Kreacher would not have been able to tell anyone where the OOTP was anyway.

Why not? Surely Bela and Cissy might have known already, but why not?

[SPT]

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Post by Tim Bruening
Kreacher would not have been able to tell anyone where the OOTP was anyway.

Why not? Surely Bela and Cissy might have known already, but why not?

Because "The headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix is located at
12GP" is protected by the Fidelius Charm.

[Tonawanda Kardex]

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Post by Tonawanda Kardex

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Page 475: Harry and Dobby Apparate to the vicinity of Shell Cottage, and
Harry can see it.
Page 482: Bill Weasley says that Shell Cottage is protected by the
Fidelius Charm, and that he is the Secret Keeper. This is the first
time Harry has visited Shell Cottage, so Bill had not previously
revealed its location to him, so how was Harry able to see it?

Dobby was with Harry when he first arrived at Shell Cottage, and we
have no idea how elves are limited by a Fidelius Charm. If elves can
apparate in and out of Hogwarts, why not within the boundaries of a
Fidelius Charm?
Also, when Harry and Dobby arrived at Shell Cottage, everyone came out
of the cottage itself to greet Harry, in essence welcoming him into
the fold.

Kreacher freely comes and goes from Grimmauld Place. Certainly, as
unpleasant as he was, he would not have been in on the secret and he
would have been unable to return when Sirius commanded him to leave.
Except, magic is different for elves and he was bonded to GP somehow.

Kreacher serves the noble House of Black, though, right? Not
particularly Grimmaud Place, the OOTP, etc.