Did anyone else notice (Of course they did)

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape were all Half-
bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I didn't.

(Well, I knew this, but it's not that it was something I noticed.)

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Paracelsus

2007-09-18 00:33:58 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape were all Half-
bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I didn't.
(Well, I knew this, but it's not that it was something I noticed.)

Where in Book 7 did it say that Dumbledore was a Half-blood? Sometime
ago there was a thread in this group on whether DD was Pure-blood or
Half-blood and there was general agreement that there was no direct
evidence one way or the other in Books 1 to 6. If this question was
directly answered in Book 7, I must have missed it. Can anyone point me
to a specific reference?

Toon

2007-09-18 17:07:24 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:33:58 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape were all Half-
bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I didn't.
(Well, I knew this, but it's not that it was something I noticed.)

I missed it to then. In fact, the story seems to indicate Pureblood.

zgirnius

2007-09-20 10:27:00 UTC

Post by Paracelsus

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape were all Half-
bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I didn't.
(Well, I knew this, but it's not that it was something I noticed.)

zgirnius:
No page number, sorry. But someone at some point states Kendra was a
Muggleborn. I think it may have been in Skeeter's article, and she
speculated this is why Kendra was so eager to hide her daughter was a
Squib.

Christian Potzinger

2007-09-20 10:42:54 UTC

zgirnius maltreated the Keyboard with following:

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Post by zgirnius

Post by Paracelsus
Where in Book 7 did it say that Dumbledore was a Half-blood? Sometime
ago there was a thread in this group on whether DD was Pure-blood or
Half-blood and there was general agreement that there was no direct
evidence one way or the other in Books 1 to 6. If this question was
directly answered in Book 7, I must have missed it. Can anyone point me
to a specific reference?

No page number, sorry. But someone at some point states Kendra was a
Muggleborn. I think it may have been in Skeeter's article, and she
speculated this is why Kendra was so eager to hide her daughter was a
Squib.

Page 129, Bloomsbury, ISBN: 978-0-7475-9105-4

Aunt Muriel: "Dumbledore's mother was a terrifying woman, simply
terrifying. Muggle-born, though i heard she pretended otherwise-
`She never pretended anything of the sort! Kendra was a fine
woman`, whispered Doge miserably, but Aunt Muriel ignored him."

--
ryl: G'Kar

Toon

2007-09-21 09:58:09 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by zgirnius

Page 129, Bloomsbury, ISBN: 978-0-7475-9105-4
Aunt Muriel: "Dumbledore's mother was a terrifying woman, simply
terrifying. Muggle-born, though i heard she pretended otherwise-
`She never pretended anything of the sort! Kendra was a fine
woman`, whispered Doge miserably, but Aunt Muriel ignored him."

Isn't dear Aunt Mureie basing this off of Rita's article?

Christian Potzinger

2007-09-21 10:24:25 UTC

Toon maltreated the Keyboard with following:

[...snip...]

Post by Christian Potzinger
Page 129, Bloomsbury, ISBN: 978-0-7475-9105-4
Aunt Muriel: "Dumbledore's mother was a terrifying woman, simply
terrifying. Muggle-born, though i heard she pretended otherwise-
`She never pretended anything of the sort! Kendra was a fine
woman`, whispered Doge miserably, but Aunt Muriel ignored him."

Isn't dear Aunt Mureie basing this off of Rita's article?

Page 128, Aunt Muriel:

"Rita Skeeter? Oh i Love her, always read her!"

Same Page, Aunt Muriel:

"You know, she's written a biography of Dumbledor?
I can't wait to read it, I must remember to place
an Order at Flourish and Blotts!"

She didn't have read the Book at the Time, but she might've
known it from hearsay. So the Answer is probably No.

--
ryl: G'Kar

Toon

2007-09-21 09:57:13 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape were all Half-
bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I didn't.
(Well, I knew this, but it's not that it was something I noticed.)

Ariana wasn't a squib, and I don't take much of what Rita says as a
fact. About 1% is true (ignoring people and places).

Christian Potzinger

2007-09-21 10:27:10 UTC

Toon maltreated the Keyboard with following:

[...snip...]

Post by zgirnius
No page number, sorry. But someone at some point states Kendra was a
Muggleborn. I think it may have been in Skeeter's article, and she
speculated this is why Kendra was so eager to hide her daughter was a
Squib.

Ariana wasn't a squib, and I don't take much of what Rita says as a
fact. About 1% is true (ignoring people and places).

Do you trust Aunt Muriel more?

--
ryl: G'Kar

Toon

2007-09-22 10:03:25 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Ariana wasn't a squib, and I don't take much of what Rita says as a
fact. About 1% is true (ignoring people and places).

Do you trust Aunt Muriel more?

No, since she believes everything Rita writes. Just second hand info.
probably gossips with the girls, thinking none can be wrong.

DaveD

2007-09-22 10:53:34 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape were all Half-
bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I didn't.
(Well, I knew this, but it's not that it was something I noticed.)

Ariana wasn't a squib, and I don't take much of what Rita says as a
fact. About 1% is true (ignoring people and places).

Not in the final version, but I still think she might at first have been the
non-magical character intended to use magic relatively late in life that JKR
referred to - till she changed her mind!

DaveD

Fish Eye no Miko

2007-09-18 04:17:03 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.

Catherine Johnson.

Bill Blakely

2007-09-18 04:27:56 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Richard Eney

2007-09-18 05:59:05 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

Harry has always been a bridge between groups, and connected with the
individual that is different from the ordinary members of a group.

First he is called a pureblood (son of a wizard and a witch), then he
is a half-blood (because the witch was muggleborn). As above, his two
best friends are a pureblood and a muggleborn. His first conscious
wizard encounter is with a halfbreed: Hagrid, wizard and giant.

His friends tend to be mixed or bridges as well. Buckbeak is part horse,
part eagle. Firenze is a centaur, part man, part horse; he is also
the one who is expelled from the herd for crossing the line and helping
humans. Harry's first house-elf Dobby is the only free house-elf who
is happy about it. Later he inherits Kreacher, who seems to have a
split personality - more duality. His head of house is McGonagall
who is an animagus - part woman, part cat. His best DADA teacher
is Lupin, who is a man who becomes a wolf and the only good werewolf
that we actually meet. His godfather is another animagus, as was his
father. He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

=Tamar

Christian Potzinger

2007-09-18 06:14:07 UTC

Richard Eney maltreated the Keyboard with following:

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Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

--
ryl: G'Kar

Richard Eney

2007-09-18 06:25:40 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
earlier break-in.

=Tamar

Toon

2007-09-18 17:15:04 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
earlier break-in.
=Tamar

Well, do you think the Goblins publicized it? Gringotts is one of the
safest places in the wizarding world. You gonna mention 3 teens
successfully robbed the joint, and stole a guard dragon? I'm sure
they insisted the reports were greatly exaggerated. No robbery
actually took place. The dragon pursued them, then escaped from the
Goblins in a freak accident.

Christian Potzinger

2007-09-18 17:48:32 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
earlier break-in.

And why was the Break-in in PS/SS publicized? I know they did,
because the Trio has do know from someone that ist was stolen.
Besides, i think Harry itself wouldn't be too eager to mention
this to everyone. So, in my Opinion, all Parties involved wouldn't
wanna make a Fuss about it.

--
ryl: G'Kar

Richard Eney

2007-09-19 02:44:51 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger

Post by Christian Potzinger

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
earlier break-in.

Well, do you think the Goblins publicized it? Gringotts is one of
the safest places in the wizarding world. You gonna mention 3 teens
successfully robbed the joint, and stole a guard dragon? I'm sure
they insisted the reports were greatly exaggerated. No robbery
actually took place. The dragon pursued them, then escaped from the
Goblins in a freak accident.

And why was the Break-in in PS/SS publicized? I know they did,
because the Trio has do know from someone that ist was stolen.

The break-in in PS/SS was the first ever, apparently, and they
may have been less embarassed because the vault that was broken
into was empty, so nothing was lost.

Whereas in DH, something was stolen... and it was the kind of thing
that Gringotts might have been embarrassed to have people know they
ever had: a famous family relic that had been stolen from its owner.

Post by Christian Potzinger
Besides, i think Harry itself wouldn't be too eager to mention
this to everyone. So, in my Opinion, all Parties involved wouldn't
wanna make a Fuss about it.

And anyway, the vault was rented by the Ministry, in its DE-run
form, so nobody was likely to make a fuss later.

=Tamar

Louis Epstein

2007-11-29 04:29:33 UTC

<***@radix.net> wrote:
: In article <***@gkar.at>,
: Christian Potzinger <***@gmx.biz> wrote:
:>Toon maltreated the Keyboard with following:
:>
:>>>>> He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
:>>>>> to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!
:>
:>>>>I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)
:>
:>>>After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
:>>>theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
:>>>dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
:>>>earlier break-in.
:>
:>> Well, do you think the Goblins publicized it? Gringotts is one of
:>> the safest places in the wizarding world. You gonna mention 3 teens
:>> successfully robbed the joint, and stole a guard dragon? I'm sure
:>> they insisted the reports were greatly exaggerated. No robbery
:>> actually took place. The dragon pursued them, then escaped from the
:>> Goblins in a freak accident.
:>
:>And why was the Break-in in PS/SS publicized? I know they did,
:>because the Trio has do know from someone that ist was stolen.
:
: The break-in in PS/SS was the first ever, apparently, and they
: may have been less embarassed because the vault that was broken
: into was empty, so nothing was lost.
:
: Whereas in DH, something was stolen... and it was the kind of thing
: that Gringotts might have been embarrassed to have people know they
: ever had: a famous family relic that had been stolen from its owner.
:
:>Besides, i think Harry itself wouldn't be too eager to mention
:>this to everyone. So, in my Opinion, all Parties involved wouldn't
:>wanna make a Fuss about it.
:
: And anyway, the vault was rented by the Ministry, in its DE-run
: form, so nobody was likely to make a fuss later.

Surely it was the Lestrange family vault?

: =Tamar

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Toon

2007-11-29 14:46:03 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
Surely it was the Lestrange family vault?

But they weren't the most popular family around. People were probably
glad it was just their vault robbed.

Then again, perhaps Harry did the press circuit and explained
everything, so nobody cared what he did if it got rid of Voldemort.

Toon

2007-09-19 09:53:42 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
And why was the Break-in in PS/SS publicized? I know they did,
because the Trio has do know from someone that ist was stolen.
Besides, i think Harry itself wouldn't be too eager to mention
this to everyone. So, in my Opinion, all Parties involved wouldn't
wanna make a Fuss about it.

Wasn't Quirrell's break in stopped? If not, they might have used it
to test the waters. Poor reaction would make them be extra quiet
about future break ins. Then again, Harry did steal something,
Quirrell failed. To have a break in with no target is one thing,
quite another to admit someone successfully broke in and stole
something from a vault. And from a long time family line too. That'd
freak other families into thinking the old pureblood lines are being
targetted.

Course, it might have been a wizard there. The Goblins would have
kept it quiet, but some wizard started blabbing. Then, when it's
Harry's turn, again a wizard starts blabbing, such as realizing
something's up with "Bellatrix."

Fish Eye no Miko

2007-09-19 18:03:58 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
And why was the Break-in in PS/SS publicized? I know they
did, because the Trio has do know from someone that ist
was stolen. Besides, i think Harry itself wouldn't be too eager
to mention this to everyone. So, in my Opinion, all Parties
involved wouldn't wanna make a Fuss about it.

Wasn't Quirrell's break in stopped?

No. He just didn't get anything, as the Stone had already been moved.

Catherine Johnson.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-19 09:14:15 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
earlier break-in.
=Tamar

The old 'saving face' thing. Could work in Harry's favor. Still, I
wouldn't expect any favors from the goblins after than one.

Christian Potzinger

2007-09-19 09:35:35 UTC

Ron Hunter maltreated the Keyboard with following:

[...snip...]

Post by Toon
Well, do you think the Goblins publicized it? Gringotts is one of the
safest places in the wizarding world. You gonna mention 3 teens
successfully robbed the joint, and stole a guard dragon? I'm sure
they insisted the reports were greatly exaggerated. No robbery
actually took place. The dragon pursued them, then escaped from the
Goblins in a freak accident.

The old 'saving face' thing. Could work in Harry's favor. Still, I
wouldn't expect any favors from the goblins after than one.

I guess his chances of higher interest are gone ;)

--
ryl: G'Kar

Toon

2007-09-20 09:41:37 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

The old 'saving face' thing. Could work in Harry's favor. Still, I
wouldn't expect any favors from the goblins after than one.

I guess his chances of higher interest are gone ;)

Harry: D'OH! No toaster for me.

Toon

2007-09-20 09:40:57 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
earlier break-in.
=Tamar

The old 'saving face' thing. Could work in Harry's favor. Still, I
wouldn't expect any favors from the goblins after than one.

Harry: Oh come on. I showed you the inherent weaknesses in your
security systems. Muggles pay former criminals to hack their security
to find weak points. I did it for free.

Louis Epstein

2007-11-29 04:27:44 UTC

Richard Eney <***@radix.net> wrote:
: In article <***@gkar.at>,
: Christian Potzinger <***@gmx.biz> wrote:
:>Richard Eney maltreated the Keyboard with following:
:>
:>[...snip...]
:>
:>> He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
:>> to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!
:>
:>I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)
:
: After getting rid of Voldemort? Not likely. Not even
: theft of a valuable guard dragon. Besides, the escaping
: dragon made so much damage they probably ignored the
: earlier break-in.
:
: =Tamar

What about liability for other robberies made possible by that damage?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-18 09:22:33 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

I don't know, but I bet he is a bit nervous next time he needs to visit
his vault.... Would LOVE to see how that played out, but, alas, JKR
isn't going to tell us!

Toon

2007-09-19 09:48:40 UTC

Post by Christian Potzinger
[...snip...]

Post by Richard Eney
He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!

I wonder if he gets accused of (armed) Bank Robbery ;)

I don't know, but I bet he is a bit nervous next time he needs to visit
his vault.... Would LOVE to see how that played out, but, alas, JKR
isn't going to tell us!

Secure the vaults. Harry Potter has returned. Throw some extra
leashes on the new Guard Dragon.

Toon

2007-09-18 17:12:50 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
First he is called a pureblood (son of a wizard and a witch), then he

When was he called a pureblood? Only by Malfoy.

Post by Richard Eney
split personality - more duality. His head of house is McGonagall
who is an animagus - part woman, part cat.

Not really part. Thatw as Polyjucied Hermione. and yet, no trouble
for making PJ Potion.

Post by Richard Eney
His best DADA teacher
is Lupin, who is a man who becomes a wolf and the only good werewolf
that we actually meet. His godfather is another animagus, as was his
father. He makes friends with a part-Veela, and later even manages
to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!
=Tamar

Griphook did say he was an unusual wizard. Guess the Dursleys did
some good. Somehow their evilness taught him to not be a judge mental
moron.

Except Snape, but there were extenuating circumstances.

Richard Eney

2007-09-19 02:55:11 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
First he is called a pureblood (son of a wizard and a witch), then he

When was he called a pureblood? Only by Malfoy.

In the robe shop, Draco Malfoy implied that having two magical parents
was sufficient. Later on Ron explained about having to have magical
ancestors for several generations to qualify in some people's minds.

The Weasleys are the purebloods who don't have lots of old family
money, which makes them different from the rest.

Post by Richard Eney
split personality - more duality. His head of house is McGonagall
who is an animagus - part woman, part cat.

Not really part. That was Polyjuiced Hermione. and yet, no trouble
for making PJ Potion.

Yes, I was using poor phrasing there. All the animagi were dual in
nature because of the spell they learned.

<snip>

Post by Richard Eney
he even manages to get a Gringotts goblin to help him rob Gringotts!
=Tamar

Griphook did say he was an unusual wizard. Guess the Dursleys did
some good. Somehow their evilness taught him to not be a judgemental
moron.
Except Snape, but there were extenuating circumstances.

Harry was so lonely he would be friends with almost anyone who didn't
actually attack him.

=Tamar

Toon

2007-09-19 09:59:35 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
In the robe shop, Draco Malfoy implied that having two magical parents
was sufficient. Later on Ron explained about having to have magical
ancestors for several generations to qualify in some people's minds.

I really wouldn't take everything Draco says as fact.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-19 19:02:28 UTC

I really wouldn't take everything Draco says as fact.

I think they use the same criteria as the Germans had for determining if
one was a Jew. If any grandparent was a Jew, you were a Jew. So if any
grandparent, or parent, was NOT a pureblood, you were a half-blood, or
mudblood.

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-20 09:00:42 UTC

I really wouldn't take everything Draco says as fact.

I know it's just a drop in the barrel, but one of my mother's aunts was
1/4 Jewish and survived the Third Reich without any major problems as an
active Protestant. It was all a matter of vitamin C (connections). Her
daughter is my godmother. Even Hitler personally shielded a number of
Jews that he felt were needed saying "_I_ determine who is a Jew and who
isn't.".

It might be helpful here to differentiate between Germans and Nazis.
There are Germans who might generalize that Americans to this day have
more stringent guidelines in determining who is a Negro or not.

Is there a PC version of Edna Ferber's ~Show Boat~ on the stage now?
...one drop, as I recall it. (...a little dab'll do y'a; use mo-ore if
you dare.)
--
Chris

Ron Hunter

2007-09-20 12:09:19 UTC

I really wouldn't take everything Draco says as fact.

I know it's just a drop in the barrel, but one of my mother's aunts was
1/4 Jewish and survived the Third Reich without any major problems as an
active Protestant. It was all a matter of vitamin C (connections). Her
daughter is my godmother. Even Hitler personally shielded a number of
Jews that he felt were needed saying "_I_ determine who is a Jew and who
isn't.".
It might be helpful here to differentiate between Germans and Nazis.
There are Germans who might generalize that Americans to this day have
more stringent guidelines in determining who is a Negro or not.
Is there a PC version of Edna Ferber's ~Show Boat~ on the stage now?
...one drop, as I recall it. (...a little dab'll do y'a; use mo-ore if
you dare.)
--
Chris

I am sure that the criteria for determining white or black in the South
was about the same. If any grandparent was black, then you were black.
Strangely, no one ever suggested turning that around. Wonder why?

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-20 15:11:27 UTC

I really wouldn't take everything Draco says as fact.

I know it's just a drop in the barrel, but one of my mother's aunts was
1/4 Jewish and survived the Third Reich without any major problems as an
active Protestant. It was all a matter of vitamin C (connections). Her
daughter is my godmother. Even Hitler personally shielded a number of
Jews that he felt were needed saying "_I_ determine who is a Jew and who
isn't.".
It might be helpful here to differentiate between Germans and Nazis.
There are Germans who might generalize that Americans to this day have
more stringent guidelines in determining who is a Negro or not.
Is there a PC version of Edna Ferber's ~Show Boat~ on the stage now?
...one drop, as I recall it. (...a little dab'll do y'a; use mo-ore if
you dare.)
--
Chris

I was born 1950 and you surely remember the situation in the 20 odd
years I spent in the States much better than I. I know that things are
still not perfect. They probably never will be. Nonetheless, I am truly
amazed at the progress America has made in only 2 or 3 generations.

That's about the time it took to get most of the Nazi remnants out of
the German mentality. We have a certain renewal of the process since
being reunited with our brothers and sisters who spent over 40 years
under communism. Many of them still have great trouble adapting to
capitalism and democracy. We have already spent almost 20 years paying
through the nose to rebuild the bombed out infrastructure that the
Soviets sucked the last drop of blood out of and it appears that we
still have another 20 ahead of us.
--
Chris

Louis Epstein

2007-11-29 04:33:50 UTC

<***@radix.net> wrote:
: In article <***@4ax.com>,
: Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:59:05 -0000, ***@radix.net (Richard Eney)
:>wrote:
:>
:>
:>>First he is called a pureblood (son of a wizard and a witch), then he
:>
:>When was he called a pureblood? Only by Malfoy.
:
: In the robe shop, Draco Malfoy implied that having two magical parents
: was sufficient. Later on Ron explained about having to have magical
: ancestors for several generations to qualify in some people's minds.
:
: The Weasleys are the purebloods who don't have lots of old family
: money, which makes them different from the rest.

I get the impression there were a fair number of pureblood families
that weren't rich.(Diggorys and later Gaunts for example)

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Toon

2007-11-29 14:47:35 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>
:>
:>>First he is called a pureblood (son of a wizard and a witch), then he
:>
:>When was he called a pureblood? Only by Malfoy.
: In the robe shop, Draco Malfoy implied that having two magical parents
: was sufficient. Later on Ron explained about having to have magical
: ancestors for several generations to qualify in some people's minds.
: The Weasleys are the purebloods who don't have lots of old family
: money, which makes them different from the rest.
I get the impression there were a fair number of pureblood families
that weren't rich.(Diggorys and later Gaunts for example)

Could be the price of family longevity. The money gets used up. We
see the elitist purebloods, but maybe the rest don't hire pureblood's
as some sort of revenge for poor prior treatment.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-18 09:20:15 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

In some ways, but Ron kicks butt in chess!
It indicates he has a good logical mind, he just isn't motivated to USE
it much.

Beowulf Trollshammer

2007-09-18 21:08:21 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

In some ways, but Ron kicks butt in chess!

And is an excellent Quidditch keeper to boot.

Post by Ron Hunter
It indicates he has a good logical mind, he just isn't motivated to USE
it much.

Toon

2007-09-19 09:47:19 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:08:21 +0200 (CEST), Beowulf Trollshammer

Post by Beowulf Trollshammer
And is an excellent Quidditch keeper to boot.

When he controls his fear. Weasley is our king.

Beowulf Trollshammer

2007-09-19 14:11:50 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:08:21 +0200 (CEST), Beowulf Trollshammer

Post by Beowulf Trollshammer
And is an excellent Quidditch keeper to boot.

When he controls his fear. Weasley is our king.

True, but I reckon after Harry used the phial of FF as a "Placebo Effect"
on him prior to the match with Slytherin in HBP his confidence problems
were gone for good or at least greatly diminished.

Bill Blakely

2007-09-19 02:20:03 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

In some ways, but Ron kicks butt in chess!
It indicates he has a good logical mind, he just isn't motivated to USE
it much.

If fighting the greatest evil the wizarding world had ever known plus
wanting to impress Hermione wasn't enough motivation for him to
display his full talents, I don't know what would be.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Richard Eney

2007-09-19 02:57:26 UTC

Post by Bill Blakely
Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

In some ways, but Ron kicks butt in chess!
It indicates he has a good logical mind, he just isn't motivated to USE
it much.

If fighting the greatest evil the wizarding world had ever known plus
wanting to impress Hermione wasn't enough motivation for him to
display his full talents, I don't know what would be.

Ron turned out to be a wizard hacker, breaking codes the way
Bill was a curse-breaker. He displayed that talent rather well.

By the time he was motivated, it was kind of late to go back and
study his old textbooks.

=Tamar

Toon

2007-09-18 17:09:03 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
times.

Bill Blakely

2007-09-19 02:44:45 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.

A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
times.

The foolish of believing in "superior" breeding is a recurring theme
in the series second only to the importance of choices. And of course
the two themes are not unrelated.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-01 01:10:36 UTC

Bill Blakely <***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:09:03 -0400, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:
:>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely
:><***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
:>
:>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:17:03 -0000, Fish Eye no Miko <***@cox.net>
:>>wrote:
:>>
:>>>On Sep 17, 2:33 pm, BriD <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
:>>>
:>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:>>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:>>>> were all Half- bloods.
:>>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:>>>
:>>>I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:>>>(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:>>>
:>>>Catherine Johnson.
:>>
:>>Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
:>>
:>
:>
:>A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
:>blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
:>times.
:
: The foolish of believing in "superior" breeding is a recurring theme
: in the series second only to the importance of choices. And of course
: the two themes are not unrelated.
:

But the foolishness of believing breeding means NOTHING is a
recurring weakness of the series...we wouldn't breed dogs or
horses if it didn't accomplish anything.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Thom Madura

2007-12-01 02:17:06 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely
:>
:>>
:>>>
:>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:>>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:>>>> were all Half- bloods.
:>>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:>>>
:>>>I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:>>>(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:>>>
:>>>Catherine Johnson.
:>>
:>>Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
:>>
:>
:>
:>A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
:>blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
:>times.
: The foolish of believing in "superior" breeding is a recurring theme
: in the series second only to the importance of choices. And of course
: the two themes are not unrelated.
But the foolishness of believing breeding means NOTHING is a
recurring weakness of the series...we wouldn't breed dogs or
horses if it didn't accomplish anything.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.

We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all "full
breeds" have them.

That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

Ron Hunter

2007-12-01 08:29:25 UTC

: :>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely
:>
:>>
:>>>
:>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:>>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:>>>> were all Half- bloods.
:>>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:>>>
:>>>I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:>>>(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:>>>
:>>>Catherine Johnson.
:>>
:>>Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
:>>
:>
:>
:>A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
:>blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
:>times.
: : The foolish of believing in "superior" breeding is a recurring theme
: in the series second only to the importance of choices. And of course
: the two themes are not unrelated.
But the foolishness of believing breeding means NOTHING is a
recurring weakness of the series...we wouldn't breed dogs or
horses if it didn't accomplish anything.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all "full
breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

By actual measure, it appears that half-bloods are superior. Look at
the evidence.

DaveD

2007-12-01 14:25:32 UTC

: :>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely
:>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:>>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:>>>> were all Half- bloods.
:>>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:>>>
:>>>I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:>>>(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:>>>
:>>>Catherine Johnson.
:>>
:>>Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
:>>
:>
:>
:>A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
:>blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
:>times.
: : The foolish of believing in "superior" breeding is a recurring theme
: in the series second only to the importance of choices. And of course
: the two themes are not unrelated.
But the foolishness of believing breeding means NOTHING is a
recurring weakness of the series...we wouldn't breed dogs or
horses if it didn't accomplish anything.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all "full
breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

By actual measure, it appears that half-bloods are superior. Look at the
evidence.

I'm sure JKR *was* making a point with that (mixed parentage or muggle-born
being very strong - though so were some pure bloods: look at Ginny).

And it's similar in the real world: mixed breed dogs are frequently much
hardier than pedigrees who tend to be more prone to infections, and often
suffer from inbred weaknesses: hip displasia, skulls that are too small for
the brain, and heart problems for example.

DaveD

Thom Madura

2007-12-02 00:03:28 UTC

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all
"full breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

By actual measure, it appears that half-bloods are superior. Look at
the evidence.

We really don't know that either. There is no way to claim that the
half-bloods have only superior or dominant traits. We do know that there
were some relatively powerful half bloods - but there are likely to be
ones that weren't.

For instance - we know that Mrs. Weasley turned out to be a force to
reckon with. However - we don't know if Mr. Weasley was as well. THey
are pure bloods though.

Sirius Kase

2007-12-02 00:51:33 UTC

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all
"full breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

By actual measure, it appears that half-bloods are superior. Look at
the evidence.

Just wondering, is there any evidence that breeding people works any
thing like dog breeding? While purebred dogs may be beautiful to look
at, many are very neurotic and there are some breeds that can't even
give birth properly without help. I assume (rational) people would
breed for strength, brains, and looks, but most people I know would
say that they chose their mate for love, sex appear, or because they
enjoy their company. That is, they don't consciously breed for
attributes that a rational, third party might use in pairing them up.
And dogs, if left to choose their own mates, don't have the same
priorities as dog breeders do, either.

Post by Thom Madura
For instance - we know that Mrs. Weasley turned out to be a force to
reckon with. However - we don't know if Mr. Weasley was as well. THey
are pure bloods though.

Of course, pairing up any pureblood with any other pureblood is rather
simplistic breeding strategy anyway.

Ron Hunter

2007-12-02 08:57:47 UTC

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all
"full breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

By actual measure, it appears that half-bloods are superior. Look at
the evidence.

We really don't know that either. There is no way to claim that the
half-bloods have only superior or dominant traits. We do know that there
were some relatively powerful half bloods - but there are likely to be
ones that weren't.
For instance - we know that Mrs. Weasley turned out to be a force to
reckon with. However - we don't know if Mr. Weasley was as well. THey
are pure bloods though.

We do know that two of the most powerful wizards (Harry and Tom Riddle)
were half-bloods, and Snape was also pretty formidable. This doesn't
mean all purebloods were into genetic decline, as Molly Weasley and
Lucius Malfoy seem to have been pretty strong. If fact, ALL the
Weasleys seem to have been pretty competent. Has anyone ever resolved
the question of whether Dumbledore was a pureblood?

Drusilla

2007-12-01 09:46:20 UTC

Something they don't. Like the tiny dogs. The only reason is vanity and
mostly puppies of the pack are born ill.

Post by Thom Madura
But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all "full
breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

Some wizards feel superior to muggles because they dont' have magic. And
half-bloods and muggleborns have some muggle heritage, hence, they're
inferior, impure and are intruders in their hidden society. Purebloods
wizards are supposed to be powerful because they know magic better.
Lucius was /lightly/ right by telling Malfoy that he should be better
than Hermione at Hogwarts because he's been a wizard all his life, while
Hermione was new to that world. And more knowledge means more magic. But
look at some young pureblood like Draco and Ron compared to Hermione.
They take for granted what they know while Hermione studies from a
different perspective.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Toon

2007-12-01 19:44:15 UTC

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:17:06 -0500, Thom Madura

But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all "full
breeds" have them.
That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

In fact, they don't Voldemort was a half blood, and quite powerful.
Lily was a muggle born, and adept at Charms. And Harry, a half blood,
was all but an expert at DADA. Name one powerful Pureblood.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-02 05:06:20 UTC

Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
: Louis Epstein wrote:
:> Bill Blakely <***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
:> : On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:09:03 -0400, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:> :
:> :>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:56 -0400, Bill Blakely
:> :><***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
:> :>
:> :>>On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:17:03 -0000, Fish Eye no Miko <***@cox.net>
:> :>>wrote:
:> :>>
:> :>>>On Sep 17, 2:33 pm, BriD <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
:> :>>>
:> :>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:> :>>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:> :>>>> were all Half- bloods.
:> :>>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:> :>>>
:> :>>>I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:> :>>>(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:> :>>>
:> :>>>Catherine Johnson.
:> :>>
:> :>>Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
:> :>>
:> :>
:> :>
:> :>A half blood was one of the most powerful wizards ever, and a half
:> :>blood beat him. and got his arse saved by a Muggleborn many many
:> :>times.
:> :
:> : The foolish of believing in "superior" breeding is a recurring theme
:> : in the series second only to the importance of choices. And of course
:> : the two themes are not unrelated.
:> :
:>
:> But the foolishness of believing breeding means NOTHING is a
:> recurring weakness of the series...we wouldn't breed dogs or
:> horses if it didn't accomplish anything.
:>
:
: But - you are talking about apples and oranges.
:
: We breed dogs and horses with superior or dominant traits. Not all "full
: breeds" have them.
:
: That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
: saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.

If there were not a much higher chance that wizarding couples would
have wizarding children than that mixed or Muggle couples would,
there would be no distinct Wizarding community in the first place.

:> -=-=-
:> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
:> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

o***@earthlink.net

2007-12-02 06:43:33 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
: That cannot be claimed in the wizarding world. There is no basis for
: saying that pure bloods have only the superior or dominant traits.
If there were not a much higher chance that wizarding couples would
have wizarding children than that mixed or Muggle couples would,
there would be no distinct Wizarding community in the first place.

It looks like it works out the other way: By cutting themselves off
from the Muggle gene pool they seem to be withering away. I doubt
there are more than a handful of purebloods with half the magical
ability of Harry, Hermione, or Voldemort. The number of Squibs like
Fitch and near-Squibs like Lockhart is far larger than they like to
admit. And aside from the Weasleys they don't seem all that prolific.
Or innovative and open to new ideas, for that matter. Harry's 50-year
old Potions book in HBP is word-for-word the same as the Potions book
used by the other students in his class. It's only Snape's notes in
the margins that make Harry a better Potion maker than his classmates
that year. Over on the Muggle side it'd be hard to find a textbook
that old that's worth reading now. Muggle science and technology are
advancing at such an increasing pace that some suggest we're
approaching something called a "Singularity" in the next 50 years.
Will the Wizarding world have changed much at all?
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.

Thom Madura

2007-09-18 22:07:42 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

There is no real way to tell if that is so.

We never really know how Harry and Ron compare in school. Yes - we do
know that Hermione gets humongous grades - except maybe in
Divination(lol). However - we really don't have a way to compare Harry
and Ron. Ron is named prefect, albeit instead of Harry - but it at least
indicates that he is not your normal student. Ron clearly is a better
chess player.

Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get to see
a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that doesn't mean that
Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other area. After all- Mom did
manage to take care of Bellatrix when the going got tough. (Easily the
very best thing that happened in the last book - and will make a great
scene in the movie)

Bill Blakely

2007-09-19 02:44:46 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:07:42 -0400, Thom Madura

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

There is no real way to tell if that is so.
We never really know how Harry and Ron compare in school. Yes - we do
know that Hermione gets humongous grades - except maybe in
Divination(lol). However - we really don't have a way to compare Harry
and Ron. Ron is named prefect, albeit instead of Harry - but it at least
indicates that he is not your normal student. Ron clearly is a better
chess player.
Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get to see
a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that doesn't mean that
Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other area. After all- Mom did
manage to take care of Bellatrix when the going got tough. (Easily the
very best thing that happened in the last book - and will make a great
scene in the movie)

One, it's not about their capabilities at school but their
capabilities in real life, although on the whole Harry does seem to do
better in school than Ron, especially when he applies himself.

Two, if you really came away from reading the seven books unsure which
is the more capable of the two, I doubt there's anything I could say
which might help you make up you mind.

-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

Toon

2007-09-19 09:58:09 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

Post by Bill Blakely
One, it's not about their capabilities at school but their
capabilities in real life, although on the whole Harry does seem to do
better in school than Ron, especially when he applies himself.

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.

Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

Thom Madura

2007-09-19 13:25:31 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

I thought he got a new wand.

M***@net.ac

2007-09-19 16:34:08 UTC

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:25:31 -0400, Thom Madura

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

I thought he got a new wand.

Wasn't it a broom?

Ron Hunter

2007-09-19 19:02:47 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

I thought he got a new wand.

Not for making prefect.

Thom Madura

2007-09-20 19:34:12 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

I thought he got a new wand.

Not for making prefect.

Yes - everyone is correct that he got a broom - Sorry

Beowulf Trollshammer

2007-09-19 19:17:36 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

I thought he got a new wand.

Actually he got his new wand at the beginning of PoA, when Arthur won the
MoM anual drawing and was able to afford it as well as the vacation on
Egypt.

m***@hotmail.com

2007-09-20 03:33:28 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

I thought he got a new wand.

Nope. New broom! A Cleansweep Eleven, IIRC.

Marli.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-01 01:29:42 UTC

Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
: Toon wrote:
:> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely
:> <***@hughesnet.com> wrote:
:>
:>> One, it's not about their capabilities at school but their
:>> capabilities in real life, although on the whole Harry does seem to do
:>> better in school than Ron, especially when he applies himself.
:>
:> I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
:> Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
:> par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
:> still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
:> to do makes him that noticeable.
:>
:> Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?
:
:
: I thought he got a new wand.

Percy got an owl but not an O.W.L. (he had to earn those).
Ron got a Cleansweep Eleven broom for making prefect...
a new wand after Gilderoy Lockhart had destroyed the one
he inherited from Charlie.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-19 19:00:56 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:44:46 -0400, Bill Blakely

I think that's Ron's problem. No application. He wants to be Head
Boy, win the Quiddithc/House cups, but really, doing so makes him on
par with Bill, Charlie, and Percy, not unique or standoutish. Hermione
still gets better grades. Harry's Quidditch Captain. Nothing he seems
to do makes him that noticeable.
Percy got a new OWL for being a prefect. What'd Ron get?

Cleansweep 10, I think.

Thom Madura

2007-09-19 13:30:58 UTC

Post by Bill Blakely
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:07:42 -0400, Thom Madura

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Good point. Also, the pure-blood is the least capable of the three.
-------------------------------------------------
Stopping a president who thinks he can do no wrong takes people with the courage to do what's right.

There is no real way to tell if that is so.
We never really know how Harry and Ron compare in school. Yes - we do
know that Hermione gets humongous grades - except maybe in
Divination(lol). However - we really don't have a way to compare Harry
and Ron. Ron is named prefect, albeit instead of Harry - but it at least
indicates that he is not your normal student. Ron clearly is a better
chess player.
Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get to see
a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that doesn't mean that
Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other area. After all- Mom did
manage to take care of Bellatrix when the going got tough. (Easily the
very best thing that happened in the last book - and will make a great
scene in the movie)

One, it's not about their capabilities at school but their
capabilities in real life, although on the whole Harry does seem to do
better in school than Ron, especially when he applies himself.
Two, if you really came away from reading the seven books unsure which
is the more capable of the two, I doubt there's anything I could say
which might help you make up you mind.

The books were about Harry and Harry's fight. We learned an awful lot
about Harry and his capabilities. We did not do so with Ron - in fact -
we learned more about Ron's inadequacies.

For example - in school - we never learned much about a number of
subjects they took. It is possible that Ron excelled in a subject much
like Neville did - but it never became part of the Plot. However - we
did not learn much at all about Ron outside of school - so it is unfair
to compare them on that level.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-01 01:26:17 UTC

Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
:
: Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get to see
: a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that doesn't mean that
: Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other area. After all- Mom did
: manage to take care of Bellatrix when the going got tough. (Easily the
: very best thing that happened in the last book - and will make a great
: scene in the movie)

It hasn't stopped annoying me.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Thom Madura

2007-12-01 02:20:24 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
: Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get to see
: a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that doesn't mean that
: Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other area. After all- Mom did
: manage to take care of Bellatrix when the going got tough. (Easily the
: very best thing that happened in the last book - and will make a great
: scene in the movie)
It hasn't stopped annoying me.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

What hasn't stopped annoying you - that Mrs. Weasley dispatched
Bellatrix? You should have seen that one coming - once she lost a son
- and had a second injured. Gee - a mother protecting her children ranks
right up there with a woman scorned as a plot device.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-02 05:08:48 UTC

Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
: Louis Epstein wrote:
:> Thom Madura <***@optonline.net> wrote:
:> :
:> : Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get to see
:> : a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that doesn't mean that
:> : Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other area. After all- Mom did
:> : manage to take care of Bellatrix when the going got tough. (Easily the
:> : very best thing that happened in the last book - and will make a great
:> : scene in the movie)
:>
:> It hasn't stopped annoying me.
:>
:
: What hasn't stopped annoying you - that Mrs. Weasley dispatched
: Bellatrix? You should have seen that one coming - once she lost a son
: - and had a second injured. Gee - a mother protecting her children ranks
: right up there with a woman scorned as a plot device.

as an overused,annoying plot device.

:> -=-=-
:> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
:> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Drusilla

2007-12-01 02:40:14 UTC

And they will make that scene funny.

--
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Ron Hunter

2007-12-01 08:31:23 UTC

: : Since the story line is about Harry and Voldemort really - we get
to see : a lot of DADA stuff - which Harry excels in - but that
doesn't mean that : Ron doesn't have an equal talent in some other
area. After all- Mom did : manage to take care of Bellatrix when the
going got tough. (Easily the : very best thing that happened in the
last book - and will make a great : scene in the movie)
It hasn't stopped annoying me.

And they will make that scene funny.

Well, there is little of the humor in the books that appears in the
movies, so if they do, then more power to them.

Frodo Baggins

2007-12-01 18:39:52 UTC

And they will make that scene funny.

Well, there is little of the humor in the books that appears in the
movies, so if they do, then more power to them.

Got into this thread a little late after seeing the recent postings
which brought it alive.

What is a half-blood - Is the term used for a child of a Wizard and
Muggle union?

How does DD become a Half-blood then? His mother is a witch (though
Rita says Kendra is Muggleborn), but that makes him like a 3/4-blood
right? Or maybe that straightens out the wizarding line? Harry is also
3/4-blood by that argument. Snape and Tom are clearly half-bloods with
one Muggle parent.

Or is the whole thing patrilineal? In that case Tom, Snape are
Mudbloods while Harry is a Half-blood and so is DD.

The term is a derogatory one so I assume the whole thing is as clear
as mud (blood)!

Frodo.

Ron Hunter

2007-12-01 20:15:46 UTC

Post by Frodo Baggins

And they will make that scene funny.

Well, there is little of the humor in the books that appears in the
movies, so if they do, then more power to them.

Got into this thread a little late after seeing the recent postings
which brought it alive.
What is a half-blood - Is the term used for a child of a Wizard and
Muggle union?
How does DD become a Half-blood then? His mother is a witch (though
Rita says Kendra is Muggleborn), but that makes him like a 3/4-blood
right? Or maybe that straightens out the wizarding line? Harry is also
3/4-blood by that argument. Snape and Tom are clearly half-bloods with
one Muggle parent.
Or is the whole thing patrilineal? In that case Tom, Snape are
Mudbloods while Harry is a Half-blood and so is DD.
The term is a derogatory one so I assume the whole thing is as clear
as mud (blood)!
Frodo.

I believe they explain that in book 7. If you have a grandparent who is
not a pureblood, you are a half-blood. Muggleborns are considered the
same as a muggle, for this purpose.
Harry, even though his father is pureblood, and his mother is a witch,
(muggleborn), is a half-blood by the rules.

Ron Hunter

2007-09-18 09:19:09 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the pureblood
elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less acceptable than
Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things up a bit.
Genetically, this is healthy.

Toon

2007-09-19 09:46:37 UTC

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
(Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Sabremeister Brian

2007-09-19 23:32:43 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

They apparently understand enough to be able to breed fire crabs with
manticores and get blast-ended skrewts - pity the one who managed it
didn't understand why you shouldn't attempt it in the first place.

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Use brian at sabremeister dot me dot uk to reply
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Ron Hunter

2007-09-20 01:26:38 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

It is rather like medical technology. It is possible to do some things
that just might not be good for humanity, as a species, or individuals,
for that matter.
Just because we CAN, doesn't always mean we should.

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-20 09:00:46 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Pity also that Skrewts are mentioned 67 times in the books but are
omitted in FBAWTFT. They look like giant scorpions, BTW. Perhaps if
young Master Malfoy ever manages to conjure a Patronus...
--
Chris

Ron Hunter

2007-09-20 12:10:23 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

If Malfoy ever has a happy memory... His patronus would be a FERRET, of
course.

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-20 15:11:23 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

If Malfoy ever has a happy memory... His patronus would be a FERRET, of
course.

It was my intention to refer to young Master Scorpio Malfoy.
--
Chris

Fish Eye no Miko

2007-09-20 17:24:55 UTC

Post by Green-Eyed Chris
Pity also that Skrewts are mentioned 67 times in the
books but are omitted in FBAWTFT. They look like
giant scorpions, BTW. Perhaps if young Master Malfoy
ever manages to conjure a Patronus...

If Malfoy ever has a happy memory...

What makes you think he doesn't have a happy memory? Snape has a good
enough memory to conjure a patronus, and his life has been far harder
than Draco's.

Post by Ron Hunter
His patronus would be a FERRET, of course.

I'm kinda thinking not...

Catherine Johnson.

Beowulf Trollshammer

2007-09-20 19:56:02 UTC

Ron Hunter wrote:

<snip>

Post by Ron Hunter
If Malfoy ever has a happy memory...

Harry passing out and falling from his broom during the match with
Hufflepuff in PoA?

Kicking the snout out of Harry's nose at the Hogwarts Express in
HBP?

Hermione getting petrified by the basilisk?

The Inquisition Squad catching the DD members off-guard in OotP?

Slytherin flattening Gryffindor in the infamous "Weasley is our king"
game in OotP (Well, this one lasted until Harry got the snitch) ?

Finally succeding in fixing the Vanishing Cabinet in HBP?

Fish Eye no Miko

2007-09-20 20:44:25 UTC

Post by Beowulf Trollshammer

Post by Ron Hunter
If Malfoy ever has a happy memory...

Finally succeding in fixing the Vanishing Cabinet in HBP?

Hell, wasn't he actually cheering? I definitely think that'd be a
good candidate.

Catherine Johnson.

Toon

2007-09-21 10:00:01 UTC

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:56:02 +0200 (CEST), Beowulf Trollshammer

Post by Richard Eney
<snip>

Post by Ron Hunter
If Malfoy ever has a happy memory...

Harry passing out and falling from his broom during the match with
Hufflepuff in PoA?
Kicking the snout out of Harry's nose at the Hogwarts Express in
HBP?
Hermione getting petrified by the basilisk?
The Inquisition Squad catching the DD members off-guard in OotP?
Slytherin flattening Gryffindor in the infamous "Weasley is our king"
game in OotP (Well, this one lasted until Harry got the snitch) ?
Finally succeding in fixing the Vanishing Cabinet in HBP?

Getting the Elder Wand from DD?

He sure was happy in OOP when Snape intentionally knocked over Harry's
potion in sick revenge for Harry's pensieve diving.

DaveD

2007-09-22 10:53:34 UTC

Post by Toon
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:56:02 +0200 (CEST), Beowulf Trollshammer

Post by Richard Eney
<snip>

Post by Ron Hunter
If Malfoy ever has a happy memory...

Harry passing out and falling from his broom during the match with
Hufflepuff in PoA?
Kicking the snout out of Harry's nose at the Hogwarts Express in
HBP?
Hermione getting petrified by the basilisk?
The Inquisition Squad catching the DD members off-guard in OotP?
Slytherin flattening Gryffindor in the infamous "Weasley is our king"
game in OotP (Well, this one lasted until Harry got the snitch) ?
Finally succeding in fixing the Vanishing Cabinet in HBP?

Getting the Elder Wand from DD?
He sure was happy in OOP when Snape intentionally knocked over Harry's
potion in sick revenge for Harry's pensieve diving.

"But that's not good enough, not nearly good enough" - it's got to be much
happier than that. Though I'm sure that, being a spoiled little brat, there
were lots of times he was bought or given something or taken on a trip by
his parents that made him happy.

DaveD

Tim Bruening

2007-09-22 22:41:09 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

If Malfoy ever has a happy memory... His patronus would be a FERRET, of
course.

Or a snake?

Drusilla

2007-09-20 21:51:59 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Pity also that Skrewts are mentioned 67 times in the books but are
omitted in FBAWTFT. They look like giant scorpions, BTW. Perhaps if
young Master Malfoy ever manages to conjure a Patronus...

Skrewts were an "invention" of Hagrid after he breed... whatever he
had at hand. The beasts in FBAWTFT were those discover and studied by
Newt Scammander. I suppose they might appear in a newer edition, unless
they don't consider hybrids. I doubt they do or people like Hagrid might
feel encouraged to keep trying.

--
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Green-Eyed Chris

2007-09-21 09:28:41 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Pity also that Skrewts are mentioned 67 times in the books but are
omitted in FBAWTFT. They look like giant scorpions, BTW. Perhaps if
young Master Malfoy ever manages to conjure a Patronus...

For some reason, I was under the impression that there were Skrewts and
that Hagrid's Blast-Ended Skrewts were his personal variant breed of the
species.

Abraxan, Boggarts, Hinkypunks and the few new beasts I forget from DH
should also be included in a new edition of FBAWTFT. To me, it would
only be natural for Newt Scamander's grandson Rolf and his famous
wizarding naturalist wife Luna to update the book and include the many
new species of animals they have discovered and classified. I believe
the whole thing is only being held up because Luna has not yet truly
abandoned her stubborn search for the Crumple-Horned Snorkack.
--
Chris

Tim Bruening

2007-09-21 11:56:27 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Pity also that Skrewts are mentioned 67 times in the books but are
omitted in FBAWTFT. They look like giant scorpions, BTW. Perhaps if
young Master Malfoy ever manages to conjure a Patronus...

For some reason, I was under the impression that there were Skrewts and
that Hagrid's Blast-Ended Skrewts were his personal variant breed of the
species.
Abraxan, Boggarts, Hinkypunks and the few new beasts I forget from DH
should also be included in a new edition of FBAWTFT. To me, it would
only be natural for Newt Scamander's grandson Rolf and his famous
wizarding naturalist wife Luna to update the book and include the many
new species of animals they have discovered and classified. I believe
the whole thing is only being held up because Luna has not yet truly
abandoned her stubborn search for the Crumple-Horned Snorkack.

Luna: Accio Crumple-Horned Snorkack!

Drusilla

2007-09-22 02:05:42 UTC

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter

Post by BriD
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
were all Half- bloods.
Was JKR making a point I wonder?

I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a
half-blood (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
Catherine Johnson.

I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the
pureblood elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less
acceptable than Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things
up a bit. Genetically, this is healthy.

Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Pity also that Skrewts are mentioned 67 times in the books but are
omitted in FBAWTFT. They look like giant scorpions, BTW. Perhaps if
young Master Malfoy ever manages to conjure a Patronus...

Abraxans are mentioned in FB, under Winged Horses. And I thing that
Boggarts ain't exactly beasts, but something more like the same category
of Dementors.

To me, it would

Post by Green-Eyed Chris
only be natural for Newt Scamander's grandson Rolf

I keep thinking that "Rolf" is actually a mistake of Jo trying to type
"ROFL" ^_^

and his famous

Post by Green-Eyed Chris
wizarding naturalist wife Luna to update the book and include the many
new species of animals they have discovered and classified. I believe
the whole thing is only being held up because Luna has not yet truly
abandoned her stubborn search for the Crumple-Horned Snorkack.

Luna seemed more open minded than her father, I think she already
accepted that they were wrong, but no big deal as they discovered new
animals.

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Toon

2007-09-22 10:04:40 UTC

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:05:42 -0500, Drusilla

Post by Drusilla
I keep thinking that "Rolf" is actually a mistake of Jo trying to type
"ROFL" ^_^

Or he loves playing the piano.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-01 01:31:38 UTC

Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:19:09 -0500, Ron Hunter <***@charter.net>
: wrote:
:
:>Fish Eye no Miko wrote:
:>> On Sep 17, 2:33 pm, BriD <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
:>>
:>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:>>> were all Half- bloods.
:>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:>>
:>> I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:>> (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:>>
:>> Catherine Johnson.
:>>
:>I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
:>other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the pureblood
:>elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less acceptable than
:>Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things up a bit.
:>Genetically, this is healthy.
:
: Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.

Frankly I think purebloods are an endangered species who ought
to be conserved!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Thom Madura

2007-12-01 02:22:18 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
:>>
:>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice that four of the main
:>>> Characters - Harry, Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape
:>>> were all Half- bloods.
:>>> Was JKR making a point I wonder?
:>>
:>> I think it's even more telling that the Trio consists of a half-blood
:>> (Harry), and pure-blood (Ron), and a Muggle-born.
:>>
:>> Catherine Johnson.
:>>
:>I agree, and one pure-blood (Ron) pairs with the Muggleborn, and the
:>other (Ginny) with the half-blood. I should suspect that the pureblood
:>elite would consider Ron/Hermione's children less acceptable than
:>Harry/Ginny's. Still, they do manage to mix things up a bit.
:>Genetically, this is healthy.
: Too bad PB wizards don't understand genetics.
Frankly I think purebloods are an endangered species who ought
to be conserved!
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

I suggest Mummification.

Toon

2007-12-01 19:42:39 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
Frankly I think purebloods are an endangered species who ought
to be conserved!

I think extinction is the best. Out with the old, in with the new.

Louis Epstein

2007-12-02 05:10:08 UTC