Ginny & The Weasley Clan

[Sebastian Wiesinger]

Hi,

I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
Characters section:

"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia), is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."

So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?

Or perhaps it is just unimportant information...

-sebastian

[Dark Magic]

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

is the first girl to be born

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?

Traditionally the seventh child of a family with special powers *is* a
person of extradordinary ability. However, perhaps it merely means that
most Weasleys shoot blue.

Shannon

[gjw]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0400, "Dark Magic"

Post by Dark Magic

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

[Markku Uttula]

Post by gjw

Post by Dark Magic

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends
Guinevere was a powerful queen in her own right, and also a very
powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing
about the fall of Camelot.

Hmm... If we take it that King Arthur is the equivalent of Harry,
who'd be his favourite knight? Ron? Can't see that happening...
Hermione? Umm... the implications :) Neville? Well...

[Toon]

Post by gjw
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0400, "Dark Magic"

Post by Dark Magic

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

Yeah, but that'd mean she hooks up with Harry, and sleeps with Ron.
That ain't gonna happen. Unless you wanna go slash fic and say
Hermione is the fav night. But I don't think you should.
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Post by Toon

Post by gjw
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0400, "Dark Magic"

Post by Dark Magic
Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

Yeah, but that'd mean she hooks up with Harry, and sleeps with Ron.
That ain't gonna happen.

Rowling is not that literal in her use of names. Remus Lupin,
for instance, was not raised by wolves, and was not a wolf,
although he had wolfish connections. Likewise, Rita Skeeter was
not a mosquito, and did not turn into a mosquito, but did turn
into another kind of creepy crawly thing. Rowlings names are,
sometimes, hints, but only hints. Ginny's name, if it means
anything to the story, hints at betrayal, but such betrayal, if
it happens, need not be exactly like her namesake's.

[drusilla]

Post by T.M. Sommers

Post by Toon

Post by gjw
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0400, "Dark Magic"

Post by Dark Magic
Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

Yeah, but that'd mean she hooks up with Harry, and sleeps with Ron.
That ain't gonna happen.

Rowling is not that literal in her use of names. Remus Lupin,
for instance, was not raised by wolves, and was not a wolf,
although he had wolfish connections. Likewise, Rita Skeeter was
not a mosquito, and did not turn into a mosquito, but did turn
into another kind of creepy crawly thing. Rowlings names are,
sometimes, hints, but only hints. Ginny's name, if it means
anything to the story, hints at betrayal, but such betrayal, if
it happens, need not be exactly like her namesake's.

Perhaps is refered to what she did in COS (Spoilers!!!). many stories
I've read about Ginevra, says that was something innocent in the way
she betrayed Arthur. An Ginny did what she did innocently.

[T.M. Sommers]

Post by drusilla

Post by T.M. Sommers
Rowling is not that literal in her use of names. Remus Lupin,
for instance, was not raised by wolves, and was not a wolf,
although he had wolfish connections. Likewise, Rita Skeeter was
not a mosquito, and did not turn into a mosquito, but did turn
into another kind of creepy crawly thing. Rowlings names are,
sometimes, hints, but only hints. Ginny's name, if it means
anything to the story, hints at betrayal, but such betrayal, if
it happens, need not be exactly like her namesake's.

Perhaps is refered to what she did in COS (Spoilers!!!). many stories
I've read about Ginevra, says that was something innocent in the way
she betrayed Arthur. An Ginny did what she did innocently.

I do not think that what happened to Ginny in CS could be called
betrayal on her part. She, an untrained little girl, fell into
a trap set by a very power dark wizard. She was innocent, as you
say, because there was no intent on her part to aid Riddle to do
anything bad.

There was, on the other hand, nothing innocent at all about
Guinivere having an affair with someone not her husband. Her
actions were intentional.

[Simone Kessler]

Post by drusilla

Post by T.M. Sommers

Post by Toon

Post by gjw
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0400, "Dark Magic"

Post by Dark Magic
Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

Yeah, but that'd mean she hooks up with Harry, and sleeps with Ron.
That ain't gonna happen.

Rowling is not that literal in her use of names. Remus Lupin,
for instance, was not raised by wolves, and was not a wolf,
although he had wolfish connections. Likewise, Rita Skeeter was
not a mosquito, and did not turn into a mosquito, but did turn
into another kind of creepy crawly thing. Rowlings names are,
sometimes, hints, but only hints. Ginny's name, if it means
anything to the story, hints at betrayal, but such betrayal, if
it happens, need not be exactly like her namesake's.

Perhaps is refered to what she did in COS (Spoilers!!!). many stories
I've read about Ginevra, says that was something innocent in the way
she betrayed Arthur. An Ginny did what she did innocently.

How about Ginevra, the princess of Scotland from Handel's "Ariodante"? She
is betrothed to Ariodante, but he is tricked into believing she has betrayed
him with the Duke of Albany, Polinesso, because Polinesso gets her maid,
Dalinda, to tryst with him, dressed up in Ginevra's clothes. (I believe the
source is Ariosto's "Orlando Furioso".)
So, Harry would be tricked into believing Ginny has betrayed him.

[Toon]

Post by T.M. Sommers

Post by Toon

Post by gjw
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0400, "Dark Magic"

Post by Dark Magic
Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

Yeah, but that'd mean she hooks up with Harry, and sleeps with Ron.
That ain't gonna happen.

Rowling is not that literal in her use of names. Remus Lupin,
for instance, was not raised by wolves, and was not a wolf,
although he had wolfish connections. Likewise, Rita Skeeter was
not a mosquito, and did not turn into a mosquito, but did turn
into another kind of creepy crawly thing. Rowlings names are,
sometimes, hints, but only hints. Ginny's name, if it means
anything to the story, hints at betrayal, but such betrayal, if
it happens, need not be exactly like her namesake's.

I think it did happen. In COS.
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Post by gjw
But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

So does that mean Ginny would betray the wizarding world by sleeping
with Voldemort?

[Toon]

Post by Impmon

Post by gjw
But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

So does that mean Ginny would betray the wizarding world by sleeping
with Voldemort?

Only if she sneaks Harry in while V sleeps. No brother wand effect
there. Maybe just a pillow is needed..
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Post by gjw
But her primary legend was that she became King Arthur's queen, then
betrayed him by sleeping with his favorite knight, thus bringing about
the fall of Camelot.

So does that mean Ginny would betray the wizarding world by sleeping
with Voldemort?

Maybe she kept Tom's diary under her pillow...

[Melissa Houle]

SNIP> >

Post by Dark Magic

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.
is the first girl to be born

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?

She makes a nice change? =o) I think it will turn out to be significant to
the plot of the next two books, in some way, in that Ginny will be able to
do something other Weasley's can't. Certainly the rest of her family thinks
she's significant. Even Fred and George think she's pretty hot stuff.

Post by Dark Magic
Traditionally the seventh child of a family with special powers *is* a
person of extradordinary ability. However, perhaps it merely means that
most Weasleys shoot blue.
Shannon

The Weasley's may not have a lot of money or social prestige, but they all
seem to be very competent wizards and witches with strengths in different
areas. Ron has yet to show any particular magical gift other than chess
(and strategy), but he can do his lessons, and keep up with his class.

I'm hoping that Ginny and Harry are destined for one another. But I'm
waiting to see what happens on that score.

Melissa

[Toon]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 05:48:51 GMT, "Melissa Houle"

Post by Melissa Houle
The Weasley's may not have a lot of money or social prestige, but they all
seem to be very competent wizards and witches with strengths in different
areas. Ron has yet to show any particular magical gift other than chess
(and strategy), but he can do his lessons, and keep up with his class.

Strategy is very important, especially what with the last 2 books.
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[Moore]

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Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.
is the first girl to be born

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?

Traditionally the seventh child of a family with special powers *is* a
person of extradordinary ability. However, perhaps it merely means that
most Weasleys shoot blue.
Shannon

When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago, I
came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the Lady of
the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone into hiding.
That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That son only had sons until
one of their decedents so many years later (I don't remember how many) were
to have 7 children and the seventh would be a girl and she would have the
magic that all of her fore-fathers did not. She would have the magic of
both Merlin and Nimue.

When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of a man
named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because it is so
obscure and the research was for a college class that had access to many
obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has even heard of it, but
who knows, she just might have seen it also.

Aldy

[Toon]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:13 GMT, "Moore"

Post by Moore

Post by Dark Magic

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere was a
powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.
is the first girl to be born

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?

Traditionally the seventh child of a family with special powers *is* a
person of extradordinary ability. However, perhaps it merely means that
most Weasleys shoot blue.
Shannon

When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago, I
came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the Lady of
the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone into hiding.
That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That son only had sons until
one of their decedents so many years later (I don't remember how many) were
to have 7 children and the seventh would be a girl and she would have the
magic that all of her fore-fathers did not. She would have the magic of
both Merlin and Nimue.
When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of a man
named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because it is so
obscure and the research was for a college class that had access to many
obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has even heard of it, but
who knows, she just might have seen it also.
Aldy

So Ginny is the Heir Of Gryffendor. In so far as she'll be able to do
something rare he could, and we don't know yet (because she has a
bunch of relatives also heir then.). Could Goderic have had red hair?
SOS - Save Our Shemione. Help Support And Link To:
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[RJ]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:13 GMT, "Moore"

Post by Moore
When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago, I
came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the Lady of
the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone into hiding.
That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That son only had sons until
one of their decedents so many years later (I don't remember how many) were
to have 7 children and the seventh would be a girl and she would have the
magic that all of her fore-fathers did not. She would have the magic of
both Merlin and Nimue.
When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of a man
named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because it is so
obscure and the research was for a college class that had access to many
obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has even heard of it, but
who knows, she just might have seen it also.
Aldy

Wouldn't it be just great to see our little Ginny become more powerful
than Voldemort or even Dumbledore?

Ginny bashers take note!

[vince garcia]

Post by Toon
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:13 GMT, "Moore"

Post by Moore
When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago, I
came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the Lady of
the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone into hiding.
That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That son only had sons until
one of their decedents so many years later (I don't remember how many) were
to have 7 children and the seventh would be a girl and she would have the
magic that all of her fore-fathers did not. She would have the magic of
both Merlin and Nimue.
When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of a man
named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because it is so
obscure and the research was for a college class that had access to many
obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has even heard of it, but
who knows, she just might have seen it also.
Aldy

Wouldn't it be just great to see our little Ginny become more powerful
than Voldemort or even Dumbledore?
Ginny bashers take note!

Ginny's my favorite unsung charcater. I'd love to see that happen!

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Moore

Post by Dark Magic

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia)

Ginevra is the french form of Guinevere. By some legends Guinevere
was a powerful queen in her own right, and also a very powerful witch.

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the
first girl born for several generations?

Traditionally the seventh child of a family with special powers *is*
a person of extradordinary ability. However, perhaps it merely means
that most Weasleys shoot blue.
Shannon

When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago,
I came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the
Lady of the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone
into hiding.

Hmmm...I hadn't been aware of legends that equated
Nimue with the Lady in the Lake...though I have certainly
seen it said that Nimue seduced and imprisoned Merlin.

Post by Moore
That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That
son only had sons until one of their decedents so many
years later (I don't remember how many) were to have 7
children and the seventh would be a girl and she would
have the magic that all of her fore-fathers did not.
She would have the magic of both Merlin and Nimue.

Was this strictly prophesied (and thus perhaps still to
come) or are there stories of it indeed happening?

I question the (church-inspired?) legends of magical power
accruing to virgins,because it means the powerful can not
have children while holding their power.

Post by Moore
When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of
a man named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because
it is so obscure and the research was for a college class that had
access to many obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has
even heard of it, but who knows, she just might have seen it also.
Aldy

Of course Terry Pratchett's Discworld wizards are empowered
by being the eighth son of an eighth son.

And the virtually unheard of phenomenon of an eighth son
of a wizard is a Sourcerer (so spelled),even more powerful.

I have no idea what the eighth son of a Sourcerer could do.

I suppose in an H/G outcome Potter series people would keep
an eye on their seventh child but I'd have shoved the books
away in the attic because he didn't wind up with Hermione!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Brion K. Lienhart]

Post by Louis Epstein
I suppose in an H/G outcome Potter series people would keep
an eye on their seventh child but I'd have shoved the books
away in the attic because he didn't wind up with Hermione!

Anybody have any idea if Mr. Weasley perhaps has six older brothers? People
may have been keeping an eye on Mrs. Weasley when she was expecting, but a
daughter would have thrown them off the track. Who expects big things from
the first daughter of a seventh son? Mwahahahahaha

Anyway, we're going to find out that Hermione is really adopted, and she's
actually Harry's twin sister who was spirited away by Dumbledore shortly
after her birth. That means that Hermione & Ron are going to end up
together.

[Tom A.]

Post by Brion K. Lienhart

Post by Louis Epstein
I suppose in an H/G outcome Potter series people would keep
an eye on their seventh child but I'd have shoved the books
away in the attic because he didn't wind up with Hermione!

Anybody have any idea if Mr. Weasley perhaps has six older brothers? People
may have been keeping an eye on Mrs. Weasley when she was expecting, but a
daughter would have thrown them off the track. Who expects big things from
the first daughter of a seventh son? Mwahahahahaha
Anyway, we're going to find out that Hermione is really adopted, and she's
actually Harry's twin sister who was spirited away by Dumbledore shortly
after her birth. That means that Hermione & Ron are going to end up
together.

And that James Earl Jones is his real father.

Tom A.

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Brion K. Lienhart

Post by Louis Epstein
I suppose in an H/G outcome Potter series people would keep
an eye on their seventh child but I'd have shoved the books
away in the attic because he didn't wind up with Hermione!

Anybody have any idea if Mr. Weasley perhaps has six older brothers?

No,he is one of three brothers.See Rowling's site.

Post by Brion K. Lienhart
People may have been keeping an eye on Mrs. Weasley when she was
expecting, but a daughter would have thrown them off the track.
Who expects big things from the first daughter of a seventh son?
Mwahahahahaha
Anyway, we're going to find out that Hermione is really adopted, and she's
actually Harry's twin sister who was spirited away by Dumbledore shortly
after her birth. That means that Hermione & Ron are going to end up
together.

See Rowling's site again,she deprecates
doing things the SW way,which is a reason
I hope Hermione doesn't wind up with the
"Han Solo solution"!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Graycat]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:27:32 -0500, Louis Epstein

Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Brion K. Lienhart
Anyway, we're going to find out that Hermione is really adopted, and she's
actually Harry's twin sister who was spirited away by Dumbledore shortly
after her birth. That means that Hermione & Ron are going to end up
together.

See Rowling's site again,she deprecates
doing things the SW way,which is a reason
I hope Hermione doesn't wind up with the
"Han Solo solution"!

Personally I think Hermione and Ron are going to be together
because they fancy each other. Harry fancies other people -
most recently Cho. Far as I know Harry and Ron aren't rivals
about her.

[Tom A.]

Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Brion K. Lienhart

Post by Louis Epstein
I suppose in an H/G outcome Potter series people would keep
an eye on their seventh child but I'd have shoved the books
away in the attic because he didn't wind up with Hermione!

Anybody have any idea if Mr. Weasley perhaps has six older brothers?

No,he is one of three brothers.See Rowling's site.

Post by Brion K. Lienhart
People may have been keeping an eye on Mrs. Weasley when she was
expecting, but a daughter would have thrown them off the track.
Who expects big things from the first daughter of a seventh son?
Mwahahahahaha
Anyway, we're going to find out that Hermione is really adopted, and she's
actually Harry's twin sister who was spirited away by Dumbledore shortly
after her birth. That means that Hermione & Ron are going to end up
together.

See Rowling's site again,she deprecates
doing things the SW way,which is a reason
I hope Hermione doesn't wind up with the
"Han Solo solution"!

Ah- pardon my ignorance, but what is the "Han Solo solution"?

Tom A.
"It's a seven percent Han Solo Solution, Watson." - S. Holmes. Sorry.

[Cathy Weeks]

Post by Tom A.
Ah- pardon my ignorance, but what is the "Han Solo solution"?

For the incredibly rare individual who hasn't seen the Star Wars
movies, there are some major plot spoilers ahead, and read at your own
risk.

Early indications from Star Wars were that Luke Skywalker would end up
with Princess Leia - he was infatuated with her, thought she was
beautiful, rushed off to try and save her, and she kisses him for luck
before they swing across a void to safety. There was even some SF
fiction written that depicted a relationship between Luke and Leia
(Splinter of the Minds Eye).

However, in the second movie Empire Strikes Back, Han Solo and Leia
became an item (and according to SW fiction, marry and have a bunch of
kids) and it's also revealed that Luke and Leia are in fact twins,
separated at birth to protect them from the wrath of their father
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.

So then the books that were written prior to the second movie
depicting a relationship between the "twins" suddenly become
incestuous, and disavowed by George Lucas. Lucas also became MUCH
more strict about licensing fiction, and writers who write in the SW
universe must provide detailed outlines to Lucas before writing, and
drafts before publishing. I met Timothy Zahn, who wrote 5 SW books
and he talked about the strictness of Lucas and his agents about that.

Cathy Weeks

[Shahid abdul-Elvis]

Post by Louis Epstein
See Rowling's site again,she deprecates
doing things the SW way,which is a reason
I hope Hermione doesn't wind up with the
"Han Solo solution"!

This would require Harry to do battle with Haarry Potter in Book 7 after
Voldemort falls in Book 6.

Requirements: Who'd be the Thrawn analogue (assassinated by his own
house-elfs!) and who'd be the Mara Jade analogue.

Heh.

Shawn

[RJ]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:13 GMT, "Moore"

Post by Moore
When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago, I
came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the Lady of
the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone into hiding.
That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That son only had sons until
one of their decedents so many years later (I don't remember how many) were
to have 7 children and the seventh would be a girl and she would have the
magic that all of her fore-fathers did not. She would have the magic of
both Merlin and Nimue.
When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of a man
named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because it is so
obscure and the research was for a college class that had access to many
obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has even heard of it, but
who knows, she just might have seen it also.
Aldy

I've been thinking about this and started to do some research on the
web about the story of Nemue and Merlin.

I think Harry Potter may have roots here.

First, here is a synopsis of a movie based on the Merlin & Nimune love
story:

From :
http://www.hallmarkent.com/property.php?propertyId=Merlin&page=synopsis

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In this classic tale of good and evil the wise old wizard Merlin (Sam
Neill) recounts how he and Arthur (Paul Curran) fought to overcome
wickedness and defeat Mab, the Queen of Darkness (Miranda Richardson).
When King Constant (John Gielgud), Arthur’s grandfather, was slain by
the pagan Vortigern (Rutger Hauer), a civil war broke out.

Merlin was created by the sorceress Mab so the Old Ways would not be
forgotten. Merlin refused to be a leader of dark powers, for he was
raised by Ambrosia, a believer in the New Religion. At 17, Merlin fell
in love with Nimue (Isabella Rossellini). Enraged, Mab allows Merlin
to be captured by King Vortigern and imprisoned with Nimue.

Mab persuaded Vortigern to sacrifice Nimue to a fire-breathing dragon.
Disfigured by the dragon’s attack, Nimue went into hiding. Merlin
helped King Uther defeat Vortigern, but learned Uther was not a good
king. Merlin reluctantly agreed to help Uther seduce a married woman,
Lady Igraine, under the condition that Merlin could have their first
child, to "teach him honor and goodness." When Arthur was born, Mab
immediately put a curse on him.

In part two, Merlin teaches Arthur ethics and morals and takes him to
the Mountain King (James Earl Jones) where Arthur extracts the magic
sword, Excalibur, from the stone. As the new king, Arthur announces he
will build a golden city named Camelot, devoted to peace and charity.
Lady Morgan Le Fey (Helena Bonham Carter), desiring the crown herself,
enlists the aid of Mab’s wicked imp, Frik (Martin Short), to seduce
Arthur. She bears their evil son, Mordred, the rightful heir to the
throne.

Camelot is built, and Arthur marries Guinevere, then travels the world
atoning for his sins and searching for the Holy Grail, a cup that has
the power to feed the hungry and heal the sick. The Lady of the Lake
advises Merlin to find a protector for Guinevere and Camelot during
Arthur’s absence. Merlin chooses Sir Lancelot.

Meanwhile, Mab tempts Nimue, promising everlasting beauty if she will
lead Merlin into a cave where they can live together. Arthur and
Merlin return, finding Camelot in chaos. Lancelot and Guinevere have
had an affair forcing Arthur to sentence his wife to burn at the
stake, but with Merlin’s help, he allows Lancelot to rescue her.
Merlin discovers Nimue has been enchanted by Mab, and doomed to the
cave forever.

In a fierce battle, both Mordred and Arthur are killed. The Lady of
the Lake reveals Excalibur was meant for Lancelot’s son, Sir Galahad,
the one man who is pure of heart and can defeat evil

Mab’s spells are broken, and Nimue is reunited with Merlin. Sir
Galahad rides away, triumphantly carrying the Holy Grail.
---------------------------------------------------------


Lord Uther asked Merlin to help him seduce Lady Igraine, a married
woman. Merlin asked for his firstborn to teach him honor and goodness
since this seduction was wrong to begin with.

Mab, an evil sorceress who created Merlin, put a curse on the child
when he was born (sound familiar?)

The curse at birth is reminiscent of the Curse from Lord Voldemort.
The similarities are striking. In the original version, Merlin also
took the child and put a spell on him thereby arranging for him to be
able to pull the sword from the stone, i.e. he "made" Arthur.

In a way, Dumbledore "made" Harry in much the same way. He enchanted
the Dursley household to protect Harry and made sure Harry got to his
school so he could be taught "honor and goodness".

It turns out that Sir Galahad, the son of Lancelot and Guinevere, was
the true heir to Camelot. I think Neville is the true heir of
Gryffindor.

The story of Merlin and Nimue don't match up with the characters in
HP, but like I said, I think HP has roots here, not based on this.

Since JKR does so much reading, I'm sure she's come across this a few
times in her youth, especially considering the British lore. I think
it may have had a subconscious influence on her.

I think that Ginny and Harry will fall for each other but the war will
keep them apart, in a sense.

So, we have the evil sorceress Mab (Voldemort), Merlin (Dumbledore),
Lady Ingraine (Lily), Lord Uther (James), Arthur (Harry), a rightful
heir, Sir Galahad (Neville), and Nimue (Ginny).

The characters don't match up but I still think Harry Potter is rooted
here. Ginny is like Nimue I don't think that this is a basis for
Harry Potter; it was an influence and it's possible that Harry Potter
has roots here.

I believe that Ginny will definately end up with Harry and believe
that Neville is the Heir of Gryffindor and the true child referred to
in the prophecy. I think there's going to be a huge twist, somewhat
predictable, that Neville is really the child from the prophecy, not
Harry.

You can see the bits and pieces and how they MAY BE the basis of Harry
Potter that influenced Rowling.


Some sources I used:
http://www.geocities.com/ladylabyrinth_qt/merlin.html
http://www.hallmarkent.com/property.php?propertyId=Merlin&page=synopsis

[Louis Epstein]

Post by Toon
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:13 GMT, "Moore"

Post by Moore
When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago,
I came across an obscure one that indicated that Merlin and Nimue (the
Lady of the Lake) had become lovers after Arthur's reign and have gone
into hiding.That they bore only a son who was non-magical. That son
only had sons until one of their decedents so many years later (I don't
remember how many) were to have 7 children and the seventh would be a
girl and she would have the magic that all of her fore-fathers did not.
She would have the magic of both Merlin and Nimue.
When I first read that Ginny was the seventh child and a daughter of a
man named Arthur, this obscure theory came into my head. Because it is
so obscure and the research was for a college class that had access to
many obscure theories, I seriously doubt that Ms. JK has even heard of
it, but who knows, she just might have seen it also.
Aldy

I've been thinking about this and started to do some research on the
web about the story of Nemue and Merlin.
I think Harry Potter may have roots here.
First, here is a synopsis of a movie based on the Merlin & Nimune love
http://www.hallmarkent.com/property.php?propertyId=Merlin&page=synopsis
---------------------------------------------------
In this classic tale of good and evil the wise old wizard Merlin (Sam
Neill) recounts how he and Arthur (Paul Curran) fought to overcome
wickedness and defeat Mab, the Queen of Darkness (Miranda Richardson).
When King Constant (John Gielgud), Arthur?s grandfather, was slain by
the pagan Vortigern (Rutger Hauer), a civil war broke out.
Merlin was created by the sorceress Mab so the Old Ways would not be
forgotten. Merlin refused to be a leader of dark powers, for he was
raised by Ambrosia, a believer in the New Religion. At 17, Merlin fell

New Religion being Christian or what?

Post by Toon
in love with Nimue (Isabella Rossellini). Enraged, Mab allows Merlin
to be captured by King Vortigern and imprisoned with Nimue.
Mab persuaded Vortigern to sacrifice Nimue to a fire-breathing dragon.
Disfigured by the dragon?s attack, Nimue went into hiding. Merlin
helped King Uther defeat Vortigern, but learned Uther was not a good
king. Merlin reluctantly agreed to help Uther seduce a married woman,
Lady Igraine, under the condition that Merlin could have their first
child, to "teach him honor and goodness." When Arthur was born, Mab
immediately put a curse on him.
In part two, Merlin teaches Arthur ethics and morals and takes him to
the Mountain King (James Earl Jones) where Arthur extracts the magic
sword, Excalibur, from the stone. As the new king, Arthur announces he
will build a golden city named Camelot, devoted to peace and charity.
Lady Morgan Le Fey (Helena Bonham Carter), desiring the crown herself,
enlists the aid of Mab?s wicked imp, Frik (Martin Short), to seduce
Arthur. She bears their evil son, Mordred, the rightful heir to the
throne.

Rightful heir?

Post by Toon
Camelot is built, and Arthur marries Guinevere, then travels the world
atoning for his sins and searching for the Holy Grail, a cup that has
the power to feed the hungry and heal the sick. The Lady of the Lake
advises Merlin to find a protector for Guinevere and Camelot during
Arthur?s absence. Merlin chooses Sir Lancelot.
Meanwhile, Mab tempts Nimue, promising everlasting beauty if she will
lead Merlin into a cave where they can live together. Arthur and
Merlin return, finding Camelot in chaos. Lancelot and Guinevere have
had an affair forcing Arthur to sentence his wife to burn at the
stake, but with Merlin?s help, he allows Lancelot to rescue her.
Merlin discovers Nimue has been enchanted by Mab, and doomed to the
cave forever.
In a fierce battle, both Mordred and Arthur are killed. The Lady of
the Lake reveals Excalibur was meant for Lancelot?s son, Sir Galahad,
the one man who is pure of heart and can defeat evil
Mab?s spells are broken, and Nimue is reunited with Merlin. Sir
Galahad rides away, triumphantly carrying the Holy Grail.

Per Malory it was Constantine who succeeded Arthur.

And then there are the myths where it was the Demon Cat of Losane
who destroyed Arthur.

Anyway,this movie treatment liberally twists things!

Personally,I prefer a more truth-behind-myth look at Arthur,
though I'd make some different choices compared to those made
by THE MISTS OF AVALON,FIRELORD,and the recent movie.

Post by Toon
---------------------------------------------------------
Lord Uther asked Merlin to help him seduce Lady Igraine, a married
woman. Merlin asked for his firstborn to teach him honor and
goodness since this seduction was wrong to begin with.
Mab, an evil sorceress who created Merlin, put a curse on the child
when he was born (sound familiar?)
The curse at birth is reminiscent of the Curse from Lord Voldemort.
The similarities are striking. In the original version, Merlin also
took the child and put a spell on him thereby arranging for him to be
able to pull the sword from the stone, i.e. he "made" Arthur.
In a way, Dumbledore "made" Harry in much the same way. He enchanted
the Dursley household to protect Harry and made sure Harry got to his
school so he could be taught "honor and goodness".
It turns out that Sir Galahad, the son of Lancelot and Guinevere,
was the true heir to Camelot. I think Neville is the true heir of
Gryffindor.
The story of Merlin and Nimue don't match up with the characters in
HP, but like I said, I think HP has roots here, not based on this.
Since JKR does so much reading, I'm sure she's come across this a few
times in her youth, especially considering the British lore. I think
it may have had a subconscious influence on her.
I think that Ginny and Harry will fall for each other but the war will
keep them apart, in a sense.
So, we have the evil sorceress Mab (Voldemort), Merlin (Dumbledore),
Lady Ingraine (Lily), Lord Uther (James), Arthur (Harry), a rightful
heir, Sir Galahad (Neville), and Nimue (Ginny).
The characters don't match up but I still think Harry Potter is rooted
here. Ginny is like Nimue I don't think that this is a basis for
Harry Potter; it was an influence and it's possible that Harry Potter
has roots here.
I believe that Ginny will definately end up with Harry and believe
that Neville is the Heir of Gryffindor and the true child referred to
in the prophecy. I think there's going to be a huge twist, somewhat
predictable, that Neville is really the child from the prophecy, not
Harry.
You can see the bits and pieces and how they MAY BE the basis of Harry
Potter that influenced Rowling.
http://www.geocities.com/ladylabyrinth_qt/merlin.html
http://www.hallmarkent.com/property.php?propertyId=Merlin&page=synopsis

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Toon
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:23:13 GMT, "Moore"

Post by Moore
When doing some research on different myths of King Arthur many years ago,

<snip>

Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Toon

Post by Moore
Aldy

I've been thinking about this and started to do some research on the
web about the story of Nemue and Merlin.
I think Harry Potter may have roots here.
First, here is a synopsis of a movie based on the Merlin & Nimune love
http://www.hallmarkent.com/property.php?propertyId=Merlin&page=synopsis
---------------------------------------------------

<snip>

Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Toon
Merlin was created by the sorceress Mab so the Old Ways would not be
forgotten. Merlin refused to be a leader of dark powers, for he was
raised by Ambrosia, a believer in the New Religion. At 17, Merlin fell

New Religion being Christian or what?

Probably.

<snip>

Post by Louis Epstein
Per Malory it was Constantine who succeeded Arthur.
And then there are the myths where it was the Demon Cat of Losane
who destroyed Arthur.
Anyway,this movie treatment liberally twists things!
Personally,I prefer a more truth-behind-myth look at Arthur,
though I'd make some different choices compared to those made
by THE MISTS OF AVALON,FIRELORD,and the recent movie.

Naw - for the facts you have to read _The History of the Kings of
Britain_ Geoffrey of Monmouth, originally published in 1138. Arthur
conquors most of western Europe, iirc. Almost nothing about Merlin.

Post by Louis Epstein

Post by Toon
I think that Ginny and Harry will fall for each other but the war will
keep them apart, in a sense.

I'm rooting for Harry and Luna. I like that girl, and hope she gets
more "air time" in the next books.

(Of course she might just be introduced with the purpose of being killed.)

Tom A.
"The whale. I created the whale to introduce a character that people
would like and kill him deliberately, immediately after." - Douglas
Adams (from memory)

[RJ]

Post by Tom A.

Post by RJ
I think that Ginny and Harry will fall for each other but the war will
keep them apart, in a sense.

I'm rooting for Harry and Luna. I like that girl, and hope she gets
more "air time" in the next books.
(Of course she might just be introduced with the purpose of being killed.)

I like Luna a lot too but I think she may have been introduced to
assist the trio (Hermione can't be the ONLY brain) but also to provide
a "mate" for Neville, who I think is the Heir of Gryffindor :)

Luna is peculiar but I think this is partly Rowlings way of showing
what the peculiar people can do. Luna will shine. Besides, if Ginny
is for Harry and Hermione is for Ron, Neville needs somebody!

And when you think about it, the way Ron, Harry, & Hermione became
close friends was by fighting a troll together, think of how Luna,
Neville, and Ginny fit into the equation now that they helped fight in
the DoM.

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Warning, CoS spoilers below.

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Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia), is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?

I was also intrigued by this. It does seem intended to make her more
special. And she's the 7th child. 7th children are sometimes singled out
for a great destiny in stories (7th child of a 7th child, even more so).

1. Having a mild wish for Harry-Ginny to get together, I might interpret
it as a Sign, but there's nothing strong to support that.

2. Could be something to do with her being the target of Lucius Malfoy's
dark magic plot in CoS. Except we've already been given a reason - as
muggle-loving Arthur's daughter her presumed guilt would have
discredited him at the Ministry.

3. I sincerely hope there isn't a prophecy out there about her. Been
there, done that; twice.

4. Maybe it's like Mark Evans. Just something that is mentioned, but not
particularly important. I'd be sort of sorry as I am liking Ginny more
and more, especially after OotP.

Miranda

[Unadulterated Me]

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia), is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?
Or perhaps it is just unimportant information...
-sebastian

Well there was going to be another female Weasly character, the daughter
of the cousin who was an accountant, she was was to play a rival
(academically) for Hermione in GoF and also be the source of Slytherin
insider information. She was dropped in favour of the Rita skeeter
Character.
So I don't think the being the first female is all that special in
significance, if it was an important plot clue then the other character
would never of been considered.

Andrea

[Toon]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:27:24 +1200, Unadulterated Me

Post by Unadulterated Me

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia), is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?
Or perhaps it is just unimportant information...
-sebastian

Well there was going to be another female Weasly character, the daughter
of the cousin who was an accountant, she was was to play a rival
(academically) for Hermione in GoF and also be the source of Slytherin
insider information. She was dropped in favour of the Rita skeeter
Character.
So I don't think the being the first female is all that special in
significance, if it was an important plot clue then the other character
would never of been considered.
Andrea

Unless she was younger than Ginny. Or a cousin to Molly, wherein
Ginny still is Weasels special.
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Post by Unadulterated Me
Well there was going to be another female Weasly character, the daughter
of the cousin who was an accountant, she was was to play a rival
(academically) for Hermione in GoF and also be the source of Slytherin
insider information. She was dropped in favour of the Rita skeeter
Character.
So I don't think the being the first female is all that special in
significance, if it was an important plot clue then the other character
would never of been considered.
Andrea

hmm.. this is the first time I've ever heard this.. do you mind if I ask
what your source on this is?

[Matthew Brookes]

Post by Michael Abdelmalek

Post by Unadulterated Me
Well there was going to be another female Weasly character, the daughter
of the cousin who was an accountant, she was was to play a rival
(academically) for Hermione in GoF and also be the source of Slytherin
insider information. She was dropped in favour of the Rita skeeter
Character.
So I don't think the being the first female is all that special in
significance, if it was an important plot clue then the other character
would never of been considered.
Andrea

hmm.. this is the first time I've ever heard this.. do you mind if I ask
what your source on this is?

I've just checked it, cause it sounded familiar. Go to "the font of all
things good", http://www.jkrowling.com/

Her name was to be Malfada, and she was cut from GoF scenes like the
Quidditch World Cup.

[gjw]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:41:50 GMT, "Matthew Brookes"

Post by Matthew Brookes
I've just checked it, cause it sounded familiar. Go to "the font of all
things good", http://www.jkrowling.com/
Her name was to be Malfada, and she was cut from GoF scenes like the
Quidditch World Cup.

I believe the name was spelled "Mafalda".

[gjw]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:51:05 GMT, Michael Abdelmalek

Post by Michael Abdelmalek

Post by Unadulterated Me
Well there was going to be another female Weasly character, the daughter
of the cousin who was an accountant, she was was to play a rival
(academically) for Hermione in GoF and also be the source of Slytherin
insider information. She was dropped in favour of the Rita skeeter
Character.
So I don't think the being the first female is all that special in
significance, if it was an important plot clue then the other character
would never of been considered.
Andrea

hmm.. this is the first time I've ever heard this.. do you mind if I ask
what your source on this is?

As I recall, Rowling said it in one of her recent interviews/chats.
She said that the girl was a witch born (surprisingly) to their Muggle
cousins, and temporarily foisted on the Mr. & Mrs Weasley because she
was somewhat obnoxious. But she was also supposed to be bright, and
give Hermione some competition for a change. Her role was to bring in
news from the outside world, but JKR decided to cut the character and
used Rita instead for bringing in the news.

[LittleGreyPoodle]

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia), is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?
Or perhaps it is just unimportant information...

I choose to consider it significant.

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
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[Toon]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:19:55 +0000 (UTC), Sebastian Wiesinger

Post by Sebastian Wiesinger
Hi,
I just browsed through JKR's website and noticed something in the
"Ginny (full name Ginevra, not Virginia), is the first girl to be born
into the Weasley clan for several generations."
So do you think there is something special about Ginny being the first
girl born for several generations?
Or perhaps it is just unimportant information...
-sebastian

Dunno. But I bet it's significant V controlled her. Outside of COS
plot.

I still say he marked Ginny as well, and maybe she has some of his
powers as a residual in her.
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