Marauders Map in GOF & OOTP

[Fiona Bridges]

Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?

Fiona

[RobMac]

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

Actually, Harry is given the MM by the Weasly twins back in Prisoner Of
Azkaban.

While the movie (PoA) never explains the origins of the map (it simply is
titled "The Marauder's Map by Misseurs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot & Prongs"),
we learn in the book PoA that it was created by Remus Lupin ("Moony",
because he's a werewolf), Peter Pettigrew ("Wormtail", his animagus form is
a rat - aka "Scabbers"), Sirius Black ("Padfoot", his animagus form is a
large black dog) & James Potter ("Prongs", because his animagus form was a
stag - deer).

All four were friends (ala Harry, Ron & Hermione) back in their Hogwarts
days (while Severus Snape was akin to Draco Malfoy to the fivesome - James,
Remus, Peter, Sirius & Lily).

At some point the 4 friends lost it, or left it with someone else at
Hogwarts, and it was confiscated by Argus Filch, kept in his office, which
the Weasly twins at some point "knicked it" from Filch's office and have
used it to great effect before passing it along to Harry.



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[Magic_mom]

Post by RobMac
While the movie (PoA) never explains the origins of the map (it simply is
titled "The Marauder's Map by Misseurs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot & Prongs"),
we learn in the book PoA that it was created by Remus Lupin ("Moony",
because he's a werewolf), Peter Pettigrew ("Wormtail", his animagus form is
a rat - aka "Scabbers"), Sirius Black ("Padfoot", his animagus form is a
large black dog) & James Potter ("Prongs", because his animagus form was a
stag - deer).

Of all the movies, this is the one that bugs me the most for leaving
out something that I feel is so extremely important to the entire plot
line.. No explanation of the origins of the map. How many seconds would
it have taken in that movie to simply explain who they were??

M_m

[drusilla]

Post by Magic_mom

Post by RobMac
While the movie (PoA) never explains the origins of the map (it simply is
titled "The Marauder's Map by Misseurs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot & Prongs"),
we learn in the book PoA that it was created by Remus Lupin ("Moony",
because he's a werewolf), Peter Pettigrew ("Wormtail", his animagus form is
a rat - aka "Scabbers"), Sirius Black ("Padfoot", his animagus form is a
large black dog) & James Potter ("Prongs", because his animagus form was a
stag - deer).

Of all the movies, this is the one that bugs me the most for leaving
out something that I feel is so extremely important to the entire plot
line.. No explanation of the origins of the map. How many seconds would
it have taken in that movie to simply explain who they were??
M_m

...

True, yet when Lupin knowing how the map works and Black saying 'the
map never lies', it's like you should think they are familiar with it
in some way. You can't notice this unless you are very very sharp...
(my dad's promised me to watch PoA this week, so, I'll ask what did he
understand abou th emap)

[Magic_mom]

Post by drusilla

Post by Magic_mom

Post by RobMac
While the movie (PoA) never explains the origins of the map (it simply is
titled "The Marauder's Map by Misseurs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot & Prongs"),
we learn in the book PoA that it was created by Remus Lupin ("Moony",
because he's a werewolf), Peter Pettigrew ("Wormtail", his animagus form is
a rat - aka "Scabbers"), Sirius Black ("Padfoot", his animagus form is a
large black dog) & James Potter ("Prongs", because his animagus form was a
stag - deer).

Of all the movies, this is the one that bugs me the most for leaving
out something that I feel is so extremely important to the entire plot
line.. No explanation of the origins of the map. How many seconds would
it have taken in that movie to simply explain who they were??
M_m

True, yet when Lupin knowing how the map works and Black saying 'the
map never lies', it's like you should think they are familiar with it
in some way. You can't notice this unless you are very very sharp...
(my dad's promised me to watch PoA this week, so, I'll ask what did he
understand abou th emap

...

Yes.. I did get that part.. you do know they are familiar with it from
that. But that just makes it worse that they didn't explain *why* they
knew what the map was and how it worked! First thing my husband, (a
muggle non-reader until recently, and only halfway thru first book)
asked was "is that some special map some of them can have? That sounds
like it would be neat!" LOL.. you do notice they know about it, but
there is still no connection as to *why*.. And their (Sirius and
Lupin) connection to Harry and his parents is such an integral part of
the plot.

M_m

[~consul]

Post by Magic_mom

Post by drusilla
True, yet when Lupin knowing how the map works and Black saying 'the
map never lies', it's like you should think they are familiar with it
in some way. You can't notice this unless you are very very sharp...
(my dad's promised me to watch PoA this week, so, I'll ask what did he
understand abou th emap

Yes.. I did get that part.. you do know they are familiar with it from
that. But that just makes it worse that they didn't explain *why* they
knew what the map was and how it worked! First thing my husband, (a
muggle non-reader until recently, and only halfway thru first book)
asked was "is that some special map some of them can have? That sounds
like it would be neat!" LOL.. you do notice they know about it, but
there is still no connection as to *why*.. And their (Sirius and
Lupin) connection to Harry and his parents is such an integral part of
the plot.

...

Remember how Fred and George got it and knew how to use it? Why not the same
method?

[t***@yahoo.com]

But the origins of the map aren't really relevant. If so, I think JKR
would have indicated her displeasure at the omission, which she has not.

[Magic_mom]

Post by t***@yahoo.com
But the origins of the map aren't really relevant. If so, I think JKR
would have indicated her displeasure at the omission, which she has not.

The origins of the map IS VERY relevant! It brings together the entire plot
point of the connection between Harry and the *Marauders* and gives Harry
other important, trusted, adults in his life. It gives him a history.
Although if she keeps killing them off....
JKR understands, I believe, like most of us, that you just have to cut
things from books to movies and I am sure she wouldn't complain that much
almost no matter what they did to them. I am not sure how much credence they
give to her opinion over-all when making the movies anyway.

M_m

[t***@yahoo.com]

All it does is indicate that map was created by his father and
godfather. If we never learned in the books who made the map we would
be in exactly the same position we are now. It offers nothing other
than to establish the rebellious nature of the maurauders, with which
the map is practically nothing compared to the pensieve scenes and
recounts by Black and Lupin.

[Richard Eney]

Post by t***@yahoo.com
All it does is indicate that map was created by his father and
godfather. If we never learned in the books who made the map we would
be in exactly the same position we are now. It offers nothing other
than to establish the rebellious nature of the maurauders, with which
the map is practically nothing compared to the pensieve scenes and
recounts by Black and Lupin.

The Map does something else. It tells Harry where the secret passages
are. The Twins tell him to ignore the one behind a certain large
mirror because it caved in after the CoS, but who is to say whether
they were telling the truth? Or Hogwarts may have repaired itself,
or Dumbledore may have repaired it.

Mirrors can be important:

the Mirror of Erised
talking magic mirrors at the Weasley house and the Leaky cauldron
Penelope's little hand mirror that saved her and Hermione
No mirrors to be found in No.12 Grimmauld Place - why?
Sirius's mirror (and James's, wherever it is)
cracked mirrors in Myrtle's toilet and also in the boy's toilet
where Harry overheard Draco talking to Myrtle (does she break
them?)
and a very large mirror with a (former) secret passage behind it...

=Tamar

[Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen]

Post by Richard Eney
The Map does something else. It tells Harry where the secret passages
are. The Twins tell him to ignore the one behind a certain large
mirror because it caved in after the CoS, but who is to say whether
they were telling the truth? Or Hogwarts may have repaired itself,
or Dumbledore may have repaired it.

You are so right - the narrative has a way of placing Harry to witness
important information; all we know of the roomy passage is hearsay.

Post by Richard Eney
the Mirror of Erised
talking magic mirrors at the Weasley house and the Leaky cauldron
Penelope's little hand mirror that saved her and Hermione
No mirrors to be found in No.12 Grimmauld Place - why?
Sirius's mirror (and James's, wherever it is)

Didn't Harry receive James's mirror, while Sirius kept his?

Post by Richard Eney
cracked mirrors in Myrtle's toilet and also in the boy's toilet
where Harry overheard Draco talking to Myrtle (does she break
them?)
and a very large mirror with a (former) secret passage behind it...

The ceiling of the Great Hall mirrors the sky.

A wing mirror off the Anglia is lurking in the forest...

Snape's (mortal, white-hatted) reflection in Barty's foe glass.

Hepzibah's casually-mentioned small jewelled mirror.

The Inferi pool with its a mirror glass surface.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

[richard e white]

Post by Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Post by Richard Eney
The Map does something else. It tells Harry where the secret passages
are. The Twins tell him to ignore the one behind a certain large
mirror because it caved in after the CoS, but who is to say whether
they were telling the truth? Or Hogwarts may have repaired itself,
or Dumbledore may have repaired it.

You are so right - the narrative has a way of placing Harry to witness
important information; all we know of the roomy passage is hearsay.

...

I have always expected that passage to be revisited in a later book. but
now I am woundering if it was just for the color and texture of the story.

Post by Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Post by Richard Eney
the Mirror of Erised
talking magic mirrors at the Weasley house and the Leaky cauldron
Penelope's little hand mirror that saved her and Hermione
No mirrors to be found in No.12 Grimmauld Place - why?
Sirius's mirror (and James's, wherever it is)

Didn't Harry receive James's mirror, while Sirius kept his?

Post by Richard Eney
cracked mirrors in Myrtle's toilet and also in the boy's toilet
where Harry overheard Draco talking to Myrtle (does she break
them?)
and a very large mirror with a (former) secret passage behind it...

The ceiling of the Great Hall mirrors the sky.
A wing mirror off the Anglia is lurking in the forest...
Snape's (mortal, white-hatted) reflection in Barty's foe glass.
Hepzibah's casually-mentioned small jewelled mirror.
The Inferi pool with its a mirror glass surface.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
--
Free Margaret Blaine now!

...

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Richard The Blind Typer
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[Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen]

Post by richard e white

Post by Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Post by Richard Eney
The Map does something else. It tells Harry where the secret passages
are. The Twins tell him to ignore the one behind a certain large
mirror because it caved in after the CoS, but who is to say whether
they were telling the truth? Or Hogwarts may have repaired itself,
or Dumbledore may have repaired it.

You are so right - the narrative has a way of placing Harry to witness
important information; all we know of the roomy passage is hearsay.

I have always expected that passage to be revisited in a later book. but
now I am woundering if it was just for the color and texture of the story.

...

For sure Richard; until the end of book 7, we shan't know what was local
colour, or a clue, or a mistake, or a trick, or a red herring.


Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

[richard e white]

Post by Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Post by richard e white

Post by Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen

Post by Richard Eney
The Map does something else. It tells Harry where the secret passages
are. The Twins tell him to ignore the one behind a certain large
mirror because it caved in after the CoS, but who is to say whether
they were telling the truth? Or Hogwarts may have repaired itself,
or Dumbledore may have repaired it.

You are so right - the narrative has a way of placing Harry to witness
important information; all we know of the roomy passage is hearsay.

I have always expected that passage to be revisited in a later book. but
now I am woundering if it was just for the color and texture of the story.

For sure Richard; until the end of book 7, we shan't know what was local
colour, or a clue, or a mistake, or a trick, or a red herring.
Blon Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
--
Free Margaret Blaine now!

...

Well there are a few that stand out as you read the books. But most of them are
anserd in the same book you find them. Other then the bit about harry's and V's
wand haveing brother cores. I think every one knew that had something to do
with the comming story. But we had to wait until book 4 to find out what. Tho
that is one of the few that was more then a 50/50 bet.

--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.

[t***@yahoo.com]

Well yes, but I meant in the context of the manufacturers of the map.
It really only established that James, Remus, Sirius and Peter were as
mischievous as Fred and George.

[drusilla]

Post by t***@yahoo.com
All it does is indicate that map was created by his father and
godfather. If we never learned in the books who made the map we would
be in exactly the same position we are now. It offers nothing other
than to establish the rebellious nature of the maurauders, with which
the map is practically nothing compared to the pensieve scenes and
recounts by Black and Lupin.

I was too shocked about the Marauders plot being cut in PoA movie but
then, I realised that there are few too much hidden clues indicating
that indeed they were friends (very freinds) that they created the map,
that they know about Lupin bein a WW, etc. And yet, we have the whole
Pensieve scene that we will see in OotP, which can explain more. As I
said, my father will see PoA this week, and I will ask him what he
could say about the Marauders.

[Don Reeves]

rOn Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:31:57 GMT, "Fiona Bridges"

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

You haven't missed anything. There is no explanation for this in the
books. Jo, on her web site, explains that Harry sneaked back to
Moody's office to get it.

Don Reeves

[Fiona Bridges]

Thanks that helps heaps!!!

Fiona

Post by Don Reeves
rOn Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:31:57 GMT, "Fiona Bridges"

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

You haven't missed anything. There is no explanation for this in the
books. Jo, on her web site, explains that Harry sneaked back to
Moody's office to get it.
Don Reeves

[BriD]

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

Accio Map!!
And, if you can see where he gets it back, why do you ask? ;-)

BriD

[i***@yahoo.com]

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

In GOF, the map states that Barty Crouch is in Snape's office, but this
should
have been Barty Crouch, Jr., since that is the actual name when someone
still
has a living father with the same name (unless there is a grand father,
in which
case, you substitue Jr. with III, etc), and the map never lies. To get
this right,
this scene should have happened after the murder of Barty Crouch, Sr.

-ilan

[drusilla]

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

JKR said he just went to Moody's office and got it back.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=20

[Angela Knight]

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

The origin was not Fionias question... her question was "... can anyone tell
me how Harry came 2 get the Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?"

Fionia,
I would have to reread OOTF to see, the last I can completely remember
is that it was taken at first by Lupin after the confrontation in the hall
with Snape after Harry saw Pettigrew. Then Lupin gave it back to Harry when
he left Hogwarts. After that I can't exactly remember Mae Eye taking it from
Harry.
Angela

[Fiona Bridges]

Mad Eye borrowed it from Harry after he saved him from getting caught by
Filch and Snape when he went to investigate who was searching Snapes
dungeon. Remember in the GOF Harry is looking at the Map and sees a dot
labelled Crouch wondering around Snape's office so he takes his invisibility
cloth and goes to look but he get's stuck in 1 of the trick stairs on the
stair cases. I think it is after he has a bath because he drops the egg and
it alerts Filch when it breaks open. Then Snape comes along etc etc then
Mad Eye arrives and stops them from discovering Harry and borrows the Map
then. But I'm pretty sure JKR never says anything about how Harry gets the
map back after everyone discovers that Crouch Jnr has been taking Polyjuice
to pretend to be him.

Have I missed where it is explained or it's just not there.

Fiona

Post by Angela Knight

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

The origin was not Fionias question... her question was "... can anyone
tell me how Harry came 2 get the Marauder's map back in Order of the
Pheonix?"
Fionia,
I would have to reread OOTF to see, the last I can completely remember
is that it was taken at first by Lupin after the confrontation in the hall
with Snape after Harry saw Pettigrew. Then Lupin gave it back to Harry
when he left Hogwarts. After that I can't exactly remember Mae Eye taking
it from Harry.
Angela

...

[Toon]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:43:32 GMT, "Fiona Bridges"

Post by Fiona Bridges
Mad Eye borrowed it from Harry after he saved him from getting caught by
Filch and Snape when he went to investigate who was searching Snapes
dungeon. Remember in the GOF Harry is looking at the Map and sees a dot
labelled Crouch wondering around Snape's office so he takes his invisibility
cloth and goes to look but he get's stuck in 1 of the trick stairs on the
stair cases. I think it is after he has a bath because he drops the egg and
it alerts Filch when it breaks open. Then Snape comes along etc etc then
Mad Eye arrives and stops them from discovering Harry and borrows the Map
then. But I'm pretty sure JKR never says anything about how Harry gets the
map back after everyone discovers that Crouch Jnr has been taking Polyjuice
to pretend to be him.
Have I missed where it is explained or it's just not there.

...

JK assumed we'd figure out on our own Harry snuck in later and
retrieved it, so she never wrote it in. Apparently, not too many
people did. Most here assumed DD gave it back.

[Troels Forchhammer]

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Post by Fiona Bridges
Have I missed where it is explained or it's just not there.

Drusilla pointed out the answer on Monday by referring to Rowling's
FAQ:
<http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=20>

How did Harry get the Marauder's Map back at the end of
'Goblet of Fire'?
He simply took it back from the fake Moody’s office,
but I never show him doing so. Maybe I’ll insert a line
in the next edition. I’m afraid I took it for granted
that you’d all assume that next time he passed the
untenanted office he’d go and get it!

[richard e white]

Post by Angela Knight

Post by Fiona Bridges
Maybe I'm a bit slow but can anyone tell me how Harry came 2 get the
Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?
I've read all the books and I can see where he actually gets it back from
Mad Eye in Goblet off fire?
Fiona

The origin was not Fionias question... her question was "... can anyone tell
me how Harry came 2 get the Marauder's map back in Order of the Pheonix?"
Fionia,
I would have to reread OOTF to see, the last I can completely remember
is that it was taken at first by Lupin after the confrontation in the hall
with Snape after Harry saw Pettigrew. Then Lupin gave it back to Harry when
he left Hogwarts. After that I can't exactly remember Mae Eye taking it from
Harry.
Angela

...

If she is asking how Harry got the map back after the fake mad eye had it the
anser is not in the books. But in an interview JKR said harry used his cloak to
sneak back in and get his map. She also said that she thought we would have
guessed that. I didn't care for this anser and rather think she either forgot
to put it in or cut it by mistake.
if it is not how harry got it back from the fake mad eye in book fore to have it
in book five then I did not understand what the question was.


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Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.