Goblet of FIre Question.

[Rayvaun]

Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.

-Ray-

[Sue H]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Because the Tri-wizard tournament was more fun for the reader I guess.
We've all had to come to conclusions that she did a lot of what she
did to make the books longer and more fun to read perhaps. If there
was shortcuts taken for a lot of things, we'd have half of what we do
now.

[UN]

Post by Sue H

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question.
Why did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What
am I missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he
just use a spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted
ones when he was sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why
go through the hassle of making sure Harry was admited to the
tournament and then making sure that Harry would win? Seems like a lot
of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Because the Tri-wizard tournament was more fun for the reader I guess.
We've all had to come to conclusions that she did a lot of what she
did to make the books longer and more fun to read perhaps. If there
was shortcuts taken for a lot of things, we'd have half of what we do
now.

I recall reading a post about this somewhere else. But I believe some of
the major points were, the potion used to give Voldemort a body took
something like a year to make, or something like that. Which is why this
could not have happened at the begining of the school year.
And the other thing was the ability for the MOM to track portkeys. Or
something like that. And since the Tri-Wizard cup was a portkey from the
center of the maze back to the starting point. It was already known by
the MOM and may not have been tracked by them, they knew what it was.
Which is why Crouch/Moody had to make sure Harry won the Tri-Wizard
tournament so he would be the one to touch the cup.
I am not positive how much of this is true, and what is speculation. But
this is something along the lines of what I remember. Maybe someone with
better insight can shed some more light on this.

[Welsh Dog]

Post by UN

Post by Sue H

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question.
Why did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What
am I missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he
just use a spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted
ones when he was sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why
go through the hassle of making sure Harry was admited to the
tournament and then making sure that Harry would win? Seems like a lot
of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Because the Tri-wizard tournament was more fun for the reader I guess.
We've all had to come to conclusions that she did a lot of what she
did to make the books longer and more fun to read perhaps. If there
was shortcuts taken for a lot of things, we'd have half of what we do
now.

I recall reading a post about this somewhere else. But I believe some of
the major points were, the potion used to give Voldemort a body took
something like a year to make, or something like that. Which is why this
could not have happened at the begining of the school year.
And the other thing was the ability for the MOM to track portkeys. Or
something like that. And since the Tri-Wizard cup was a portkey from the
center of the maze back to the starting point. It was already known by
the MOM and may not have been tracked by them, they knew what it was.
Which is why Crouch/Moody had to make sure Harry won the Tri-Wizard
tournament so he would be the one to touch the cup.
I am not positive how much of this is true, and what is speculation. But
this is something along the lines of what I remember. Maybe someone with
better insight can shed some more light on this.

At the end of OoP Fudge starts to tell Dumbledore off for making an
'unauthorised portkey' which means for some reason they have to be
authorised... I *can* see why of course :)

Anyone could be sent anywhere at anytime against their will
otherwise!!

From OoP:
"Now see here, Dumbledore!' said Fudge, as Dumbledore picked up the
head and walked back to Harry carrying it. `You haven't got
authorisation for that Portkey! You can't do things like that right in
front of the Minister for Magic... "

Welshdog

[Toon]

Post by Welsh Dog
"Now see here, Dumbledore!' said Fudge, as Dumbledore picked up the
head and walked back to Harry carrying it. `You haven't got
authorisation for that Portkey! You can't do things like that right in
front of the Minister for Magic... "
Welshdog

Apparently it's OK behind his back.

[DrGong]

Post by Welsh Dog
At the end of OoP Fudge starts to tell Dumbledore off for making an
'unauthorised portkey' which means for some reason they have to be
authorised... I *can* see why of course :)

Imagine what pranks could be had by making portkeys without
permission.

Wizard sees sickle on ground, picks it up, suddenly he feels odd
feeling, and he in Dutch Harbor Alaska...

[t***@gmail.com]

The night Lord Voldemort came back, Barty Crouch Jr searched for a dose of Polyjuice Potion, and discovered that he was out. Why hadn't he noticed earlier that he was running out of Polyjuice?

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 20:50, ***@gmail.com wrote:
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by t***@gmail.com
The night Lord Voldemort came back, Barty Crouch Jr searched for a dose of
Polyjuice Potion, and discovered that he was out. Why hadn't he noticed
earlier that he was running out of Polyjuice?

If Harry had died (in cematry) when he should have "Job Done" so no need for
more diseption, un face time for the big reveal

[Tim Bruening]

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by t***@gmail.com
The night Lord Voldemort came back, Barty Crouch Jr searched for a dose of
Polyjuice Potion, and discovered that he was out. Why hadn't he noticed
earlier that he was running out of Polyjuice?

If Harry had died (in cematry) when he should have "Job Done" so no need for
more diseption, un face time for the big reveal

But shouldn't a prudent villain always make certain that he has extra Polyjuice Potion around in case something wet wrong?

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 14:35, Tim Bruening wrote:
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by t***@gmail.com
The night Lord Voldemort came back, Barty Crouch Jr searched for a dose of
Polyjuice Potion, and discovered that he was out. Why hadn't he noticed
earlier that he was running out of Polyjuice?

If Harry had died (in cematry) when he should have "Job Done" so no need for
more diseption, un face time for the big reveal

But shouldn't a prudent villain always make certain that he has extra
Polyjuice Potion around in case something wet wrong?

But we know that villains are always over confident "what could go wrong"
against a whole Cardre of Death Eaters ;->)

[Tim Bruening]

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by t***@gmail.com
The night Lord Voldemort came back, Barty Crouch Jr searched for a dose of
Polyjuice Potion, and discovered that he was out. Why hadn't he noticed
earlier that he was running out of Polyjuice?

If Harry had died (in cematry) when he should have "Job Done" so no need for
more diseption, un face time for the big reveal

It seems silly to stop procuring Polyjuice Potion just because you think that the job is about to be done!

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 14:37, Tim Bruening wrote:
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by Tim Bruening

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by t***@gmail.com
The night Lord Voldemort came back, Barty Crouch Jr searched for a dose of
Polyjuice Potion, and discovered that he was out. Why hadn't he noticed
earlier that he was running out of Polyjuice?

If Harry had died (in cematry) when he should have "Job Done" so no need for
more diseption, un face time for the big reveal

It seems silly to stop procuring Polyjuice Potion just because you think that
the job is about to be done!

It take a whole Moon to brew, you could say bad planing (but he did remain in
character until Harry returned) or just hubris

[Spencer R. Lower]

Of course Voldemort could have cut Harry's head off with a sword at the
graveyard while he was tied up, but then he'd just be a cold blooded dark
wizard. By giving Harry his wand back, and approving the diabolical
triwizard plan in the first place, he is elevated (?) to a fiend.

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he
was sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the
hassle of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making
sure that Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch
something.
-Ray-

[Rayvaun]

Post by Spencer R. Lower
Of course Voldemort could have cut Harry's head off with a sword at the
graveyard while he was tied up, but then he'd just be a cold blooded dark
wizard. By giving Harry his wand back, and approving the diabolical
triwizard plan in the first place, he is elevated (?) to a fiend.

No I understand why Voldemort let Harry have his wand back. There was doubt
among his followers. He needed to show them that Harry was no longer a
threat. I do think that Rowling does an awful lot of "Dialoguing" with her
vilians at the end of the books though, a true villian wouldn't care if
Harry knew why or how he came to this point and just kill him outright, but
it does add to great suspense until the very end. The only major problem
I've had with the books so far has been using the Tri-Wizard tournament to
get Harry to touch a portkey. However the explanation that the MoM would
have seen thgrough using any other portkey makes complete sense to me.

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Rayvaun

Post by Spencer R. Lower
Of course Voldemort could have cut Harry's head off with a sword at the
graveyard while he was tied up, but then he'd just be a cold blooded dark
wizard. By giving Harry his wand back, and approving the diabolical
triwizard plan in the first place, he is elevated (?) to a fiend.

No I understand why Voldemort let Harry have his wand back. There was doubt
among his followers. He needed to show them that Harry was no longer a
threat. I do think that Rowling does an awful lot of "Dialoguing" with her
vilians at the end of the books though, a true villian wouldn't care if
Harry knew why or how he came to this point and just kill him outright, but
it does add to great suspense until the very end. The only major problem
I've had with the books so far has been using the Tri-Wizard tournament to
get Harry to touch a portkey. However the explanation that the MoM would
have seen thgrough using any other portkey makes complete sense to me.

Well, his plan backfired, badly.
Puts me in mind of the woman who bought a lottery 'scratch off' to show
her preteen children what a rip-off they were. Of course she won $5.
So, she bought 5 more, and won $10. Then (because she wasn't smart
enough to quit), she bought 10, and won $1000. At that point, she
learned that sometimes teaching be example isn't too useful.

[Toon]

Post by Ron Hunter

Post by Rayvaun

Post by Spencer R. Lower
Of course Voldemort could have cut Harry's head off with a sword at the
graveyard while he was tied up, but then he'd just be a cold blooded dark
wizard. By giving Harry his wand back, and approving the diabolical
triwizard plan in the first place, he is elevated (?) to a fiend.

No I understand why Voldemort let Harry have his wand back. There was doubt
among his followers. He needed to show them that Harry was no longer a
threat. I do think that Rowling does an awful lot of "Dialoguing" with her
vilians at the end of the books though, a true villian wouldn't care if
Harry knew why or how he came to this point and just kill him outright, but
it does add to great suspense until the very end. The only major problem
I've had with the books so far has been using the Tri-Wizard tournament to
get Harry to touch a portkey. However the explanation that the MoM would
have seen thgrough using any other portkey makes complete sense to me.

Well, his plan backfired, badly.
Puts me in mind of the woman who bought a lottery 'scratch off' to show
her preteen children what a rip-off they were. Of course she won $5.
So, she bought 5 more, and won $10. Then (because she wasn't smart
enough to quit), she bought 10, and won $1000. At that point, she
learned that sometimes teaching be example isn't too useful.

Poor baby. Won $1015.

[Toon]

Post by Rayvaun
He needed to show them that Harry was no longer a
threat. I do think that Rowling does an awful lot of "Dialoguing" with her
vilians at the end of the books though, a true villian wouldn't care if
Harry knew why or how he came to this point and just kill him outright,

Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their Union
bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.

They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.

[Rayvaun]

Post by Toon
Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their Union
bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.

LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the ballot for
union elections.
Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen, Narnias Ice
Queen

[Louis Epstein]

Rayvaun <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: "Toon" <***@toon.com> wrote in message
: news:***@4ax.com...
:> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:27:58 -0400, "Rayvaun" <***@hotmail.com>
:> wrote:
:
:> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their Union
:> bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
:>
:> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
:> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
:
: LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the ballot for
: union elections.
: Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen, Narnias Ice
: Queen

You mean the White Witch?

Sauron would grind Ickle Tommykins into powder before breakfast.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Tim Bruening]

Rayvaun <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
:
: "Toon" <***@toon.com> wrote in message
: news:***@4ax.com...
:> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:27:58 -0400, "Rayvaun" <***@hotmail.com>
:> wrote:
:
:> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their
Union
:> bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
:>
:> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
:> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
:
: LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the
ballot for
: union elections.
: Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen,
Narnias Ice
: Queen

Let me add the Master (Dr. Who), Angelus (Buffy), the First Evil
(Buffy), the Great Lord of the Dark (Wheel of Time), the Source of Evil
(Charmed), Lex Luthor (Superman), Tempus (Superman), the Penguin
(Batman), Catwoman (Batman), the Joker (Batman?).

[Louis Epstein]

Tim Bruening <***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
: Rayvaun <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
: :
: : "Toon" <***@toon.com> wrote in message
: : news:***@4ax.com...
: :> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:27:58 -0400, "Rayvaun" <***@hotmail.com>
: :> wrote:
: :
: :> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their
: :> Union bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.

Somehow,I tend to think it's not in the union bylaws,
but a fine-print clause in their employment contracts;
it's clearly not in the union members' interest!

: :> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
: :> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
: :
: : LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the
: : ballot for union elections.
: : Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen,
: : Narnias Ice Queen
:
: Let me add the Master (Dr. Who), Angelus (Buffy), the First Evil
: (Buffy), the Great Lord of the Dark (Wheel of Time), the Source of Evil
: (Charmed), Lex Luthor (Superman), Tempus (Superman), the Penguin
: (Batman), Catwoman (Batman), the Joker (Batman?).

A rather eclectic ballot and a bruising campaign would be involved.
I assume the Emperor Dalek and Cyber Controller got into a fight
over whether the Doctor was to be ex-ter-mi-na-ted or Destroyed?

Few of these nominees are in the Morgoth league whatever their
pretensions.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[Tim Bruening]

Post by Louis Epstein
: :> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their
: :> Union bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
Somehow,I tend to think it's not in the union bylaws,
but a fine-print clause in their employment contracts;
it's clearly not in the union members' interest!
: :> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
: :> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
: : LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the
: : ballot for union elections.
: : Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen,
: : Narnias Ice Queen
: Let me add the Master (Dr. Who), Angelus (Buffy), the First Evil
: (Buffy), the Great Lord of the Dark (Wheel of Time), the Source of Evil
: (Charmed), Lex Luthor (Superman), Tempus (Superman), the Penguin
: (Batman), Catwoman (Batman), the Joker (Batman?).
A rather eclectic ballot and a bruising campaign would be involved.
I assume the Emperor Dalek and Cyber Controller got into a fight
over whether the Doctor was to be ex-ter-mi-na-ted or Destroyed?
Few of these nominees are in the Morgoth league whatever their
pretensions.

Wicked Witch of the West.

[Louis Epstein]

Tim Bruening <***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
:
: Louis Epstein wrote:
:
:> Tim Bruening <***@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
:> : Rayvaun <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> : :
:> : : "Toon" <***@toon.com> wrote in message
:> : : news:***@4ax.com...
:> : :> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:27:58 -0400, "Rayvaun" <***@hotmail.com>
:> : :> wrote:
:> : :
:> : :> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their
:> : :> Union bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
:>
:> Somehow,I tend to think it's not in the union bylaws,
:> but a fine-print clause in their employment contracts;
:> it's clearly not in the union members' interest!
:>
:> : :> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
:> : :> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
:> : :
:> : : LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the
:> : : ballot for union elections.
:> : : Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen,
:> : : Narnias Ice Queen
:> :
:> : Let me add the Master (Dr. Who), Angelus (Buffy), the First Evil
:> : (Buffy), the Great Lord of the Dark (Wheel of Time), the Source of Evil
:> : (Charmed), Lex Luthor (Superman), Tempus (Superman), the Penguin
:> : (Batman), Catwoman (Batman), the Joker (Batman?).
:>
:> A rather eclectic ballot and a bruising campaign would be involved.
:> I assume the Emperor Dalek and Cyber Controller got into a fight
:> over whether the Doctor was to be ex-ter-mi-na-ted or Destroyed?
:>
:> Few of these nominees are in the Morgoth league whatever their
:> pretensions.
:
: Wicked Witch of the West.
:

Feh!...truly a parochial figure.Glinda is the most powerful mage
within Oz,always has been since Lurline left.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

[t***@gmail.com]

Post by Louis Epstein
:> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their
Union
:> bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
:>
:> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
:> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
: LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the
ballot for
: union elections.
: Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen,
Narnias Ice
: Queen
Let me add the Master (Dr. Who), Angelus (Buffy), the First Evil
(Buffy), the Great Lord of the Dark (Wheel of Time), the Source of Evil
(Charmed), Lex Luthor (Superman), Tempus (Superman), the Penguin
(Batman), Catwoman (Batman), the Joker (Batman?).

The Shadows (Babylon 5).

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 20:56, ***@gmail.com wrote:
Re: Goblet of FIre Question. (at least in part)

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by Louis Epstein
:> Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their
Union
:> bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
:>
:> They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
:> trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.
: LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the
ballot for
: union elections.
: Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen,
Narnias Ice
: Queen
Let me add the Master (Dr. Who), Angelus (Buffy), the First Evil
(Buffy), the Great Lord of the Dark (Wheel of Time), the Source of Evil
(Charmed), Lex Luthor (Superman), Tempus (Superman), the Penguin
(Batman), Catwoman (Batman), the Joker (Batman?).

The Shadows (Babylon 5).

Serverlan (Blake 7), Diana ("V")

[Timothy Bruening]

Post by Rayvaun

Post by Toon
Every villain is required to explain such things. It's in their Union
bylaws for starters. And to gloat over superiority.
They also must leave the hero all alone in their slowly acting death
trap, which can't be escaped from, despite glaring loopholes.

LOL the The United Federation of Fantasy Villians! I can see the ballot for
union elections.
Presidential candidates: Sauron, Lord Voldemort, Baron Harkonen, Narnias Ice
Queen

The Dark One of the Wheel of Time. Morden of the Shadows of Babylon 5. The Master of Doctor Who. Davros of Doctor Who.

[o***@earthlink.net]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.

Hogwarts has a variety of spells to prevent transport magic from
working so perhaps only during the TriWizard Tournament could Crouch
Jr. activate one on the grounds. Only during the final challenge of
the tournament was Harry truly left alone all year, too: Had he
suddenly disappeared during dinner one night Dumbledore might have
immediately noticed and followed somehow.

Besides, it was a cunning and intricate scheme and Voldemort enjoys
showing off his power to his followers. Snatching Harry at the
pinnacle of his triumph and immediately grinding him down into the
dirt appealed to the Dark Lord's ego.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.

[Sue H]

Post by o***@earthlink.net

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.

Hogwarts has a variety of spells to prevent transport magic from
working so perhaps only during the TriWizard Tournament could Crouch
Jr. activate one on the grounds. Only during the final challenge of
the tournament was Harry truly left alone all year, too: Had he
suddenly disappeared during dinner one night Dumbledore might have
immediately noticed and followed somehow.
Besides, it was a cunning and intricate scheme and Voldemort enjoys
showing off his power to his followers. Snatching Harry at the
pinnacle of his triumph and immediately grinding him down into the
dirt appealed to the Dark Lord's ego.

that's a good point (the last paragraph).

[Thomas Gagne]

Post by o***@earthlink.net

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.

Hogwarts has a variety of spells to prevent transport magic from
working so perhaps only during the TriWizard Tournament could Crouch
Jr. activate one on the grounds. Only during the final challenge of
the tournament was Harry truly left alone all year, too: Had he
suddenly disappeared during dinner one night Dumbledore might have
immediately noticed and followed somehow.
Besides, it was a cunning and intricate scheme and Voldemort enjoys
showing off his power to his followers. Snatching Harry at the
pinnacle of his triumph and immediately grinding him down into the
dirt appealed to the Dark Lord's ego.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.

I don't believe there's anything preventing portkeys from working inside
Hogwarts grounds. In OotP Dumbledore creates one in his office to move
the Weasley's to Grimmauld Place, then does it again to get Harry back
to Hogwarts from the Ministry of Magic.

[o***@earthlink.net]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:08:31 -0400, Thomas Gagne

Post by Thomas Gagne
don't believe there's anything preventing portkeys from working inside
Hogwarts grounds. In OotP Dumbledore creates one in his office to move
the Weasley's to Grimmauld Place, then does it again to get Harry back
to Hogwarts from the Ministry of Magic.

So you're saying there's no rule against portkeys because the guy who
writes the rules can make one in spite of any such rule?
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.

And it was BAD language.

[Thomas Gagne]

Post by o***@earthlink.net
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:08:31 -0400, Thomas Gagne

Post by Thomas Gagne
don't believe there's anything preventing portkeys from working inside
Hogwarts grounds. In OotP Dumbledore creates one in his office to move
the Weasley's to Grimmauld Place, then does it again to get Harry back
to Hogwarts from the Ministry of Magic.

So you're saying there's no rule against portkeys because the guy who
writes the rules can make one in spite of any such rule?
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.

Remember that as he was flying back to Hogwarts at the end of HBP he had
to undo the spells. No such spellwork seems required for the
portkeys--at least not that's communicated in the books.

[Paracelsus]

Post by Thomas Gagne

Post by o***@earthlink.net
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:08:31 -0400, Thomas Gagne

Post by Thomas Gagne
don't believe there's anything preventing portkeys from working inside
Hogwarts grounds. In OotP Dumbledore creates one in his office to move
the Weasley's to Grimmauld Place, then does it again to get Harry back
to Hogwarts from the Ministry of Magic.

So you're saying there's no rule against portkeys because the guy who
writes the rules can make one in spite of any such rule?
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.

Remember that as he was flying back to Hogwarts at the end of HBP he had
to undo the spells. No such spellwork seems required for the
portkeys--at least not that's communicated in the books.

It seems reasonable that the Headmaster of Hogwarts would be able to
control the security spells and be able to make portkeys in and out.

It must also be possible for someone inside the Hogwarts grounds to make
a portkey that will take you out and back in again. This is was Crouch
Jr. did with the Tri-wizard Cup?

That raises the question of why Draco had to spend so much time in HBP
trying to repair the vanishing cabinet. Surely it would have been easier
to make a portkey from Hogwarts to a designating meeting place and use
it to bring the Death Eaters back with him? It may be that Dumbledore
had already plugged this leak.

[Toon]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:04:01 GMT, Paracelsus

Post by Paracelsus

Post by Thomas Gagne

Post by o***@earthlink.net
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:08:31 -0400, Thomas Gagne

Post by Thomas Gagne
don't believe there's anything preventing portkeys from working inside
Hogwarts grounds. In OotP Dumbledore creates one in his office to move
the Weasley's to Grimmauld Place, then does it again to get Harry back
to Hogwarts from the Ministry of Magic.

So you're saying there's no rule against portkeys because the guy who
writes the rules can make one in spite of any such rule?
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.

Remember that as he was flying back to Hogwarts at the end of HBP he had
to undo the spells. No such spellwork seems required for the
portkeys--at least not that's communicated in the books.

It seems reasonable that the Headmaster of Hogwarts would be able to
control the security spells and be able to make portkeys in and out.
It must also be possible for someone inside the Hogwarts grounds to make
a portkey that will take you out and back in again. This is was Crouch
Jr. did with the Tri-wizard Cup?
That raises the question of why Draco had to spend so much time in HBP
trying to repair the vanishing cabinet. Surely it would have been easier
to make a portkey from Hogwarts to a designating meeting place and use
it to bring the Death Eaters back with him? It may be that Dumbledore
had already plugged this leak.

I think the cabinets allowed for a greater number. You'd need an
object big enough for everyone to touch, or multiple port keys.

[Beowulf Trollshammer]

Paracelsus wrote:

<snip>

Post by Paracelsus
That raises the question of why Draco had to spend so much time in HBP
trying to repair the vanishing cabinet. Surely it would have been easier
to make a portkey from Hogwarts to a designating meeting place and use
it to bring the Death Eaters back with him? It may be that Dumbledore
had already plugged this leak.

Another possibility is that the spell required to make portkeys is very
difficult and advanced, N.E.W.T. level at least, and frankly, Draco never
impressed me as a very competent wizard. :)

[Toon]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:08:31 -0400, Thomas Gagne

Post by Thomas Gagne

Post by o***@earthlink.net

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.

Hogwarts has a variety of spells to prevent transport magic from
working so perhaps only during the TriWizard Tournament could Crouch
Jr. activate one on the grounds. Only during the final challenge of
the tournament was Harry truly left alone all year, too: Had he
suddenly disappeared during dinner one night Dumbledore might have
immediately noticed and followed somehow.
Besides, it was a cunning and intricate scheme and Voldemort enjoys
showing off his power to his followers. Snatching Harry at the
pinnacle of his triumph and immediately grinding him down into the
dirt appealed to the Dark Lord's ego.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.

I don't believe there's anything preventing portkeys from working inside
Hogwarts grounds. In OotP Dumbledore creates one in his office to move
the Weasley's to Grimmauld Place, then does it again to get Harry back
to Hogwarts from the Ministry of Magic.

And as Headmaster, he can lift such restrictions from any area, for
any length of time.

[Ron Hunter]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Well, it made a LOT better story!
I have read a few fanfiction stories where Voldemort just sent Harry an
OWL with a letter that was a portkey. Zap, instant prisoner.

[Here in Minnesota]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question.
Why did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament?
What am I missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't
he just use a spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with
enchanted ones when he was sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or
broom. Why go through the hassle of making sure Harry was admited to
the tournament and then making sure that Harry would win? Seems like
a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

I wondered that myself. I agree with the other posters...

1. Portkeys normally don't work in and out of Hogwarts. DD made an exception
with the cup.

2. LV didn't want his return known to MoM. Harry being lost inside the maze
would not ring the alarm bells for the MoM; it would seem just like an
accident [in fact, they still didn't even believe with a witness].

Ken

[Fat Sam]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question.
Why did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament?
What am I missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't
he just use a spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with
enchanted ones when he was sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or
broom. Why go through the hassle of making sure Harry was admited to
the tournament and then making sure that Harry would win? Seems like
a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Because if he had done that, the book would have been 3 chapters long and
JKR's publishers would have sent the manuscript back to her with a snotty
letter telling her to pad it out a bit.
It's called a story, and it's the reason we read books.

[Fat Sam]

Post by Fat Sam

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question.
Why did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament?
What am I missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't
he just use a spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with
enchanted ones when he was sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or
broom. Why go through the hassle of making sure Harry was admited to
the tournament and then making sure that Harry would win? Seems like
a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Because if he had done that, the book would have been 3 chapters long
and JKR's publishers would have sent the manuscript back to her with
a snotty letter telling her to pad it out a bit.
It's called a story, and it's the reason we read books.

Also, Voldemort is a melodramatic megalomaniac.
Those sort of people always have overly elaborate and uneccessarily
complicated plans which ultimately prove to be the cause of their own
downfall.
Have you never watched a James Bond or an Austin Powers film?

[Spencer R. Lower]

Mere amateurs compared to Our Man Flint.
"Fat Sam" <***@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote > Have you never watched
a James Bond or an Austin Powers film?

[Yellow]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

LOL! Harry Potter and the Wooden Spoon doesn't quite have the same ring
somehow and It would also have been pretty short! :-)

[Toon]

Post by Yellow

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

LOL! Harry Potter and the Wooden Spoon doesn't quite have the same ring
somehow and It would also have been pretty short! :-)

Could have been a long spoon.

[Toon]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.
-Ray-

Show off superiority, stealing him right out from under DD's nose. Dd
was watching the whole time. A spoon, DD doesn't even notice, and
might not even be at the school at the time. Less chance the wrong
person touches it. Death is easily explained. Harry goes missing at
Hogwarts, people notice. Harry goes missing in the TWT, some creature
ate him.

[Welsh Dog]

Post by Rayvaun
Hi I'm new to the series. Just finished Goblet of Fire. One question. Why
did Crouch need to enter Harry into the Tr-Wizard tournament? What am I
missing? If he needed Harry to touch a portkey, why didn't he just use a
spoon Harry would touch, or swap his glasses with enchanted ones when he was
sleeping, or a door knob or a fake wand or broom. Why go through the hassle
of making sure Harry was admited to the tournament and then making sure that
Harry would win? Seems like a lot of work to get Harry to touch something.

The Ministry of Magic have tracers on certain spells such as the
unforgivable curses *and* we learn at the end of OoP... on portkeys
too!!

Had false-Moody made a portkey without Ministry approval they'd have
noticed and asked questions. However he made it on instruction of
Dumbledore and Crouch... so no questions would be asked.

Welshdog

[Timothy Bruening]

How an underage person could enter the Triwizard Tournament: Write his/her name on a paper airplane and throw it into the Goblet from beyond the Age Line!