four houses, four horcruxes

Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry

=Tamar

Sirius Kase

2007-12-04 04:09:07 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.

Then of course

Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring

Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Here in Minnesota!

2007-12-04 15:22:29 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

Thom Madura

2007-12-04 22:50:23 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

How would you know?

Toon

2007-12-05 14:22:27 UTC

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:50:23 -0500, Thom Madura

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

How would you know?

Harry is human. All humans are animals. Therefore, Harry is an
animal.

Thom Madura

2007-12-06 16:07:15 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:50:23 -0500, Thom Madura

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

How would you know?

Harry is human. All humans are animals. Therefore, Harry is an
animal.

1 - It was meant to be a joke.

2 - Harry is a character in a fictional story - not a human.

Toon

2007-12-07 15:08:40 UTC

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:07:15 -0500, Thom Madura

Post by Toon
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:50:23 -0500, Thom Madura

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

How would you know?

Harry is human. All humans are animals. Therefore, Harry is an
animal.

1 - It was meant to be a joke.
2 - Harry is a character in a fictional story - not a human.

Homo fictitious actually, a fictitious human.

DaveD

2007-12-04 23:01:52 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Nice one! Although of course, Harry wasn't intentional, so Voldy only
*intentionally* managed to collect 3 houses, not knowing about Harry. Then
again, would he really have wanted something from Gryffindor?

Post by Sirius Kase
Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

Oh dear, Ginny's been gossiping again :-P

DaveD

Toon

2007-12-05 14:18:14 UTC

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:22:29 -0600, "Here in Minnesota!"

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Harry is also an animal.

Nagini was also a Living Object.

lomnoir

2007-12-04 17:50:37 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

True, Harry is also a living object. The thing is, Voldemort intended
to make six horcruxes out of the four house objects (yet failed to get
a Gryffindor artifact), the diary, and the ring. He wanted to split
his soul into seven pieces: six horcruxes plus the remnant of his soul
that he carried around with him. From what I know, he had five when he
hunted down the Potters: the ring, diadem, cup, locket, and diary.
Perhaps he intended to make the sixth with the death of the year-old
Harry, thereby making himself (in his mind) invincible: killing the
only one that would threaten his life and six pieces of his soul earth-
bound and forever hidden.

Sirius Kase

2007-12-04 18:26:26 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

It makes sense that Voldy would want a Gryffindor horcrux, but he
certainly didn't intend for it to be Harry. I was hoping they'd find
an artifact at the old house in GH. Maybe he was looking for the
cloak? But, he didn't know about the DH or the 3 bros, so would he
have known about the cloak?

MrE

2007-12-05 07:29:08 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.
MisterE

Toon

2007-12-05 14:21:45 UTC

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

Richard Eney

2007-12-05 21:30:55 UTC

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

I had the impression that just getting in to apply for the job
gave him the chance to hide the Ravenclaw tiara in the Room of Requirement.
He probably knew he didn't have a chance to really get the job.

=Tamar

Dysperdis

2007-12-06 03:30:48 UTC

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

I'm pretty sure he wanted the job for recruiting purposes (and possibly
to keep a close eye on Dumbledore), and the chance to enter the castle
and hide the horcrux without having to sneak in was just an added bonus.

I don't doubt that he had several reasons for applying- after all, as a
Slytherin, he'd take every advantage he could get out of a situation.

--
My current project: http://binderreviews.googlepages.com/

Louis Epstein

2008-09-07 03:36:48 UTC

Dysperdis <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: Richard Eney wrote:
:> In article <***@4ax.com>,
:> Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:29:08 +1100, "MrE" <***@owenthegreat.com>
:>> wrote:
:>>
:>>> Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
:>>> thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
:>>> was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.
:>> We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
:>> overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
:>> what he really wanted.
:>
:> I had the impression that just getting in to apply for the job
:> gave him the chance to hide the Ravenclaw tiara in the Room of Requirement.
:> He probably knew he didn't have a chance to really get the job.
:>
:> =Tamar
:
: I'm pretty sure he wanted the job for recruiting purposes (and possibly
: to keep a close eye on Dumbledore), and the chance to enter the castle
: and hide the horcrux without having to sneak in was just an added bonus.
:
: I don't doubt that he had several reasons for applying- after all, as a
: Slytherin, he'd take every advantage he could get out of a situation.

Indeed...if he wasn't miffed at being denied the job,
he wouldn't have bothered cursing the job.
He probably would have had a similar instructional style
to Amycus Carrow...

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

John VanSickle

2008-09-07 03:56:02 UTC

Post by Louis Epstein
Indeed...if he wasn't miffed at being denied the job,
he wouldn't have bothered cursing the job.
He probably would have had a similar instructional style
to Amycus Carrow...

Carrow was a crude moron. Dumbledore would have found a perfectly valid
reason to sack them (and perhaps pack them off to Azkaban) within a
couple months.

Riddle, knowing that Dumbledore would likely grow a third eye just to
keep a better watch on him, would go about things with far and away more
sophistication. The smartest course of action would be as a teacher to
do *nothing* illicit, neither in person or by proxy through the students
(who are open books anyway via Dumbledore's Legilimency skills). Select
the students of the proper mindset and talent, cultivate their loyalty,
and then recruit them after they leave school.

And, of course, scheme like the devil to make Dumbledore like unto John
Cleese's parrot.

Regards,
John

Toon

2008-09-07 14:09:59 UTC

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:56:02 -0400, John VanSickle

Post by John VanSickle

Post by Louis Epstein
Indeed...if he wasn't miffed at being denied the job,
he wouldn't have bothered cursing the job.
He probably would have had a similar instructional style
to Amycus Carrow...

Carrow was a crude moron. Dumbledore would have found a perfectly valid
reason to sack them (and perhaps pack them off to Azkaban) within a
couple months.

DD told Tom he needed more experience. Doesn't sound like there's any
doubt to teaching style. Maybe in another decade he'd have gotten the
job.

Post by John VanSickle
Riddle, knowing that Dumbledore would likely grow a third eye just to
keep a better watch on him, would go about things with far and away more
sophistication. The smartest course of action would be as a teacher to
do *nothing* illicit, neither in person or by proxy through the students
(who are open books anyway via Dumbledore's Legilimency skills). Select
the students of the proper mindset and talent, cultivate their loyalty,
and then recruit them after they leave school.

The Vold Club

DaveD

2007-12-07 21:12:03 UTC

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

I had the impression that just getting in to apply for the job
gave him the chance to hide the Ravenclaw tiara in the Room of
Requirement.
He probably knew he didn't have a chance to really get the job.
=Tamar

Exactly - I thought finding the tiara in the RoR was pretty conclusive; in
fact I took it as read! When else did Voldy get the chance to hide it there
before Harry saw it in HBP?

And it explains Dd's memory of the interview in the pensieve - why include
the detail of him appearing to go for his wand? Answer: he *did* go for his
wand then altered Dd's memory but rather more discretely than Sluggy managed
to alter his own (after all, Voldy had a track record for altering memories:
look at Morfin and the old house elf who both confessed to deaths they
didn't cause).

It all fits perfectly :)

DaveD

Green-Eyed Chris

2007-12-07 22:32:01 UTC

Post by DaveD

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

Exactly - I thought finding the tiara in the RoR was pretty conclusive; in
fact I took it as read! When else did Voldy get the chance to hide it there
before Harry saw it in HBP?
And it explains Dd's memory of the interview in the pensieve - why include
the detail of him appearing to go for his wand? Answer: he *did* go for his
wand then altered Dd's memory but rather more discretely than Sluggy managed
look at Morfin and the old house elf who both confessed to deaths they
didn't cause).
It all fits perfectly :)

I'm willing to play along, but why should Tom go to the trouble in the
first place? Who would have anything against a respected alumnus
visiting an old mentor, walking through the halls, visiting the trophy
room, grabbing a snack in the kitchen, giving the librarian a pat on the
ass or disappearing unnoticed into the RoR?
--
Chris

Richard Eney

2007-12-10 03:43:52 UTC

Post by Green-Eyed Chris

Post by DaveD

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword?

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

Exactly - I thought finding the tiara in the RoR was pretty
conclusive
And it explains Dd's memory of the interview in the pensieve - why
he *did* go for his wand then altered Dd's memory but rather more
discreetly than Sluggy managed to alter his own (after all, Voldy
had a track record for altering memories: look at Morfin and the
old house elf who both confessed to deaths they didn't cause).
It all fits perfectly :)

I'm willing to play along, but why should Tom go to the trouble in
the first place? Who would have anything against a respected alumnus
visiting an old mentor, walking through the halls, visiting the
trophy room, grabbing a snack in the kitchen, giving the librarian
a pat on the ass or disappearing unnoticed into the RoR?

We don't see anybody else visiting Hogwarts casually. Yes, crowds
are allowed in for major Quidditch games and the Yule Ball, but
otherwise, we see no visitors without a reason, which is usually
something official to do with the MoM. It seems that Hogwarts
does have some routine security precautions besides DD's spells
and the various passwords to get into dorms, offices, and even
staircases. I suspect that in order for a respected alumnus
to visit, there would have to be an appointment made. (Lucius
Malfoy could walk in because he was a school governor at the
time.)

=Tamar

Toon

2007-12-08 14:35:29 UTC

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:12:03 GMT, "DaveD"

Post by DaveD

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

Exactly - I thought finding the tiara in the RoR was pretty conclusive; in
fact I took it as read! When else did Voldy get the chance to hide it there
before Harry saw it in HBP?
And it explains Dd's memory of the interview in the pensieve - why include
the detail of him appearing to go for his wand? Answer: he *did* go for his
wand then altered Dd's memory but rather more discretely than Sluggy managed
look at Morfin and the old house elf who both confessed to deaths they
didn't cause).
It all fits perfectly :)
DaveD

But DD knows how to identify altered memories, and would have noticed
something amiss during one of his viewing's/walkthroughs. That's
kinda the whole point of a pensieve. Storing memories for later
viewing to notice what you didn't.

Lyle Francis Delp

2007-12-05 23:18:48 UTC

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

I was under the impression that DD suspected LV
wanted the job for recruiting purposes.

--
Lyle Delp
Yeah, Lyle Francis Delp! Ya wanna make somethin' outtavit?

Toon

2007-12-06 15:01:32 UTC

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:18:48 -0500, Lyle Francis Delp

Post by Lyle Francis Delp

Post by MrE
Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.

We don't know why he wanted the job. Just that he didn't have an
overwhelming desire to teach children DADA. It was only a cover for
what he really wanted.

I was under the impression that DD suspected LV
wanted the job for recruiting purposes.
--

An evil SlugClub.

BriD

2007-12-05 20:24:42 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Didn't Voldy want a job at the school so that he could find a Gryffindor
thingy? Wasn't he after the sword? It was the only known object left that
was supposed to belong to Gryffindor.
MisterE- Hide quoted text -
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What about the sorting hat?

BriD

Sirius Kase

2007-12-06 04:39:31 UTC

Post by BriD

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

What about the sorting hat?
BriD

That would have made an interesting horcrux. It certainly was a
Gryffindor artifact. But, it seemed to have a piece of Godric's
personality in it.

MrE

2007-12-06 07:12:15 UTC

Post by BriD

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

What about the sorting hat?
BriD

I thought the sorting hat was made by all of the founders?

Toon

2007-12-06 14:47:31 UTC

Post by MrE
I thought the sorting hat was made by all of the founders?

It was Godric's hat, but perhaps the 3 remaining ones put their own
spells onto it.

Toon

2007-12-06 14:46:23 UTC

Post by BriD

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

What about the sorting hat?
BriD

True, but it's a bad idea to use something that sings in public. "I've
got a horcrux in me. Made by that evil Lord V."

Toon

2007-12-05 14:20:33 UTC

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:26:26 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Well, the DE's eventually know Harry has one. Voldemort could have
known James had one. But then, it's not a Gryffendor relic. He'd
want something of Goderic's. Not any old Gryffendore house person's
item.

Sirius Kase

2007-12-05 15:42:44 UTC

Post by Toon
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:26:26 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

So, he wanted to kill Harry at GH. That means that the horcux object
was probably there, and left there, since V couldn't carry anything
away with him. Unless, Peter was there and carried away both his wand
and his intended horcux.

Richard Eney

2007-12-05 21:46:42 UTC

<snip>

Post by Sirius Kase
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is
an Animal object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Non-House-related object?

Voldemort himself, carrying the eighth piece, was not a horcrux but
he was a no-longer-entirely-human object.

Post by lomnoir
True, Harry is also a living object. The thing is, Voldemort intended
to make six horcruxes out of the four house objects (yet failed to get
a Gryffindor artifact), the diary, and the ring. He wanted to split
his soul into seven pieces: six horcruxes plus the remnant of his soul
that he carried around with him. From what I know, he had five when he
hunted down the Potters: the ring, diadem, cup, locket, and diary.
Perhaps he intended to make the sixth with the death of the year-old
Harry, thereby making himself (in his mind) invincible: killing the
only one that would threaten his life and six pieces of his soul earth-
bound and forever hidden.

Getting objects from the four founders appealed to him, but the ring and
the locket were the first, and they were family heirlooms. According to
JKR, if I recall correctly, the horcruxes were _not_ made with significant
deaths - Nagini was horcruxed with the death of a random tramp (_not_ the
caretaker), and there was nothing special to Voldemort about Myrtle - she
was also a random death. So if I am correct in remembering that it was
DD's idea that all the deaths were supposed to be significant as well as
all the objects, then he was wrong there.

Post by Sirius Kase
It makes sense that Voldy would want a Gryffindor horcrux, but he
certainly didn't intend for it to be Harry. I was hoping they'd find
an artifact at the old house in GH. Maybe he was looking for the
cloak? But, he didn't know about the DH or the 3 bros, so would he
have known about the cloak?

Well, the DEs eventually know Harry has one. Voldemort could have
known James had one. But then, it's not a Gryffendor relic. He'd
want something of Godric's. Not any old Gryffendor house person's
item.

So, he wanted to kill Harry at GH. That means that the horcrux object
was probably there, and left there, since V couldn't carry anything
away with him. Unless, Peter was there and carried away both his wand
and his intended horcux.

The cloak would fit the family-heirloom element, and as a horcrux
it would be very dangerous - what wizard could resist trying on an
invisibility cloak?

=Tamar

Louis Epstein

2008-09-07 03:50:41 UTC

<***@radix.net> wrote:
: In article <7c342325-d6ec-45d6-98d1-***@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
: Sirius Kase <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:>On Dec 5, 9:20 am, Toon <***@toon.com> wrote:
:>>Sirius Kase <***@gmail.com> wrote:
:>> >lomnoir <***@ameritech.net> wrote:
:>> >> Sirius Kase <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: <snip>
:>> >> > Muggle Object: diary
:>> >> > Living Object: Nagini
:>> >> > Hallowed Object: Ring
:
:>> >> > Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is
:>> >> > an Animal object, but that doesn't sound as cool.
:
: Non-House-related object?
:
: Voldemort himself, carrying the eighth piece, was not a horcrux but
: he was a no-longer-entirely-human object.
:
:>> >> True, Harry is also a living object. The thing is, Voldemort intended
:>> >> to make six horcruxes out of the four house objects (yet failed to get
:>> >> a Gryffindor artifact), the diary, and the ring. He wanted to split
:>> >> his soul into seven pieces: six horcruxes plus the remnant of his soul
:>> >> that he carried around with him. From what I know, he had five when he
:>> >> hunted down the Potters: the ring, diadem, cup, locket, and diary.
:>> >> Perhaps he intended to make the sixth with the death of the year-old
:>> >> Harry, thereby making himself (in his mind) invincible: killing the
:>> >> only one that would threaten his life and six pieces of his soul earth-
:>> >> bound and forever hidden.
:
: Getting objects from the four founders appealed to him, but the ring and
: the locket were the first, and they were family heirlooms. According to
: JKR, if I recall correctly, the horcruxes were _not_ made with significant
: deaths - Nagini was horcruxed with the death of a random tramp (_not_ the
: caretaker), and there was nothing special to Voldemort about Myrtle - she
: was also a random death. So if I am correct in remembering that it was
: DD's idea that all the deaths were supposed to be significant as well as
: all the objects, then he was wrong there.
:
:>> >It makes sense that Voldy would want a Gryffindor horcrux, but he
:>> >certainly didn't intend for it to be Harry. I was hoping they'd find
:>> >an artifact at the old house in GH. Maybe he was looking for the
:>> >cloak? But, he didn't know about the DH or the 3 bros, so would he
:>> >have known about the cloak?
:>
:>> Well, the DEs eventually know Harry has one. Voldemort could have
:>> known James had one. But then, it's not a Gryffendor relic. He'd
:>> want something of Godric's. Not any old Gryffendor house person's
:>> item.
:>
:>So, he wanted to kill Harry at GH. That means that the horcrux object
:>was probably there, and left there, since V couldn't carry anything
:>away with him. Unless, Peter was there and carried away both his wand
:>and his intended horcux.
:
: The cloak would fit the family-heirloom element, and as a horcrux
: it would be very dangerous - what wizard could resist trying on an
: invisibility cloak?
:
: =Tamar

But a Horcrux isn't intended as an offensive weapon...he wants them
locked away untouchably,not desired and visible.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Toon

2007-12-06 14:45:18 UTC

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:42:44 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase

Post by Toon
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:26:26 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Maybe it was his wand. It would hold significant value. Phoenix
feather cores seem a rarity. That'd be worthy of a soul bit. And
it'd never really leave his sight. You want to destroy it, you have
to get it away from him, and good luck there, green lights flying at
you if you try.

Sirius Kase

2007-12-06 18:10:14 UTC

Post by Toon
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:42:44 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase

Post by Toon
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:26:26 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

Yeah, he did seem rather fond of his wand until it failed to kill
Harry. He didn't try to get the deathstick until even Malfoy's wand
failed to kill Harry.

Timothy Bruening

2016-09-15 02:05:42 UTC

Post by Richard Eney
Slytherin: locket
Ravenclaw: tiara
Hufflepuff: goblet
Gryffindor: Harry
=Tamar

Yes, someone finally spotted the Gryffindor horcrux. I thought of
that after I read your Subject, but before I read your post.
Then of course
Muggle Object: diary
Living Object: Nagini
Hallowed Object: Ring
Of course, Harry is also a Living Object, so maybe Nagini is an Animal
object, but that doesn't sound as cool.

What object was Voldemort planning to turn into a Horcrux that night? Said object should still have been in the house afterwards.

Richard Eney

2007-12-13 06:11:13 UTC